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What ever you call it... so far it has been called blk-2, though it did not appeared as we expected, e,g, AESA, IFR, but we have high thrust engine, improved radar, improved EW and avionics suite.

In 4th squadron, we expect HMS, IFR, AESA and Engine??? so this be another block or batch, its upto you.

There is no batch info in your picture posted above... it only talks about blocks.
 
Are you taking test or really not informed?

As far I understood, current blk-2 was not same as envisioned originally, and next squadron 4 will have more upgrades, hence blk-3. This makes blk2 only one squadron.
Therefore, numbers as allocated to blocks originally, may also change!
Still it is a guess, how many numbers of which upgrade we'll end up.



What ever you call it... so far it has been called blk-2, though it did not appeared as we expected, e,g, AESA, IFR, but we have high thrust engine, improved radar, improved EW and avionics suite.

In 4th squadron, we expect HMS, IFR, AESA and Engine??? so this be another block or batch, its upto you.

There is no batch info in your picture posted above... it only talks about blocks.


What you say doesn't really hold. Project Director of JF-17 AVM Javaid Ahmad has clearly outlined what things will be in Block 2 which is IFR and upgraded radar and EW and AGM and PGM package integrated
 
does anybody know who is like the top mod or whatever?
 
Feb. 7, 2013 - 06:35PM | By Usman Ansari
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is integrating its nuclear-capable Hatf VII/Vengeance VII Ra’ad air launched cruise missile onto its JF-17 Thunder aircraft, but analysts are unsure if this signifies a nuclear deterrence role for the aircraft.

Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood at the JF-17 Project Management Office said integration work was ongoing with Chinese and Pakistani weapons, and that “most weapons have been integrated”.

“Ra’ad and the H-4 [glide bomb] will be for the Block I and Block II” aircraft currently in or about to enter service, not just the forthcoming Block III variant, he said.


Former Air Force pilot and analyst Kaiser Tufail said, “It makes good sense to get on with the wiring as well as flight trials of these weapons on the JF-17 at this stage. For one thing, all subsequent production aircraft would have the mod integrated from the outset and there will be no need for retrofits that also result in long down times at the flight lines. Secondly, the whole process is lengthy and it was about time we started it.”

He added, “Possibly, by the time the mods are in place on the JF-17, the first of the older Mirages would be retiring.”

The Mirage III carries the Ra’ad and is the delivery platform for Pakistan’s airborne arm of its nuclear deterrent. Its avionics were upgraded in the 1990s under the Retrofit Of Strike Element (ROSE) program.

They have been in service for many years, however, and are approaching the end of their useful lives.

Most recent major military developments have aimed to strengthen the nuclear deterrent, such as the unveiling of the Hatf IX/Nasr battlefield ballistic missile and the submarine-launched variant of the Babur cruise missile.

However, analysts are uncertain if the airborne arm of the nuclear triad is set to be similarly strengthened with the introduction of the JF-17 in this role.

Tufail said the Ra’ad’s integration onto the JF-17 would be very beneficial.

“It would certainly add to PAF’s [Pakistan Air Force’s] stealthy ingress capability [due to low cross-section of the cruise missile], considering that the parent aircraft do not have it,” he said.

However, Mansoor Ahmed, from Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, and who specializes in Pakistan’s national deterrent and delivery program, is unconvinced that replacement of the Mirages with the JF-17 is imminent.

“The Mirage is a tested and well-integrated platform, it would take some time to have the Thunder in large numbers to do the job”, he said.

“Secondly, how good are the Thunder’s ground attack/avionics capabilities compared to the ROSE Mirages?”

Tufail, who flew the Mirage operationally, does not see the Ra’ad-capable Mirages as “less credible as a nuclear deterrent in any way.”

“However, the JF-17 would certainly be a better and more modern platform, about which there should be no debate. As and when the JF-17s attain full operational capability with the Ra’ad, that role will be withdrawn from the Mirages, but that is not to mean that the Mirages would be retired — they do a lot more than just carry Ra’ads,” he said.

“The Mirages would be retired as they outlive their airframe hours or run out of spares support, which I see starting to happen over the next five years or so.”

Depending on the material state of the Mirage aircraft, Ahmed said they should give the PAF enough time to bring the Block III variant of the JF-17 into service, which is to have an improved avionics suite.

Mahmood said the avionics suite of the Block III variant is not yet finalized as the PAF is “looking for something to give more operational capability, and still examining avionics options.”

A perennial issue for the JF-17 has been the question of the continued availability of its powerplant. Currently, it is powered by a Russian Klimov RD-93.

It has been speculated for some time that the JF-17 will eventually be powered by a Chinese engine, a possible thrust vector control (TVC) variant of the Guizhou WS-13 Taishan.

Mahmood, however, would only say that the engine “depends on customers,” and that “we have options with regards to engines; we’re not restricted.”

Tufail is unconvinced a TVC variant is a necessity at present.

“Personally, I don’t see the JF-17 as a ‘do-all’ fighter, and I feel that it needs other areas to be looked at for modifications, rather than just follow fads,” he said.

“TVC helps in air combat maneuvering, whose days are numbered, if one goes by the technological developments underway. If that be true, it would make much more sense to focus on enhancing BVR [beyond visual range] capabilities, including radar and weapons, which need to be constantly upgraded during the life of an aircraft.”

The JF-17 is only rated to plus 8g, and for this reason Tufail said “the JF-17 cannot fully exploit the TVC potential, which a 9g aircraft can do far better.”

Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said the JF-17 airframe “can certainly handle more than +8g, but the restriction is in place to increase the airframe life.”

He said this “may be increased in later variants where more composites are used to increase airframe strength and reduce the overall weight.”

Despite Missile Integration, Nuke Role Unlikely for Pakistan’s JF-17 | Defense News | defensenews.com

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By the way when Pakistan will start inducting Block 2 will PAF tell it to public or not ?
 
maybe you are saying that the next squadron consists of blk1- batch2 fighters with minimalistic upgrades due to financial constraints

one can reduce the numbers in such conditions but there is no such as minimilistic upgrades - either you upgrade or you dont.

By the way when Pakistan will start inducting Block 2 will PAF tell it to public or not ?

what does the article say about JF-17 Thunder...
 
You can’t make a weapon such as Harpoon missile ‘more dangerous’. Its destructive power is determined by its 500 lb. explosive load. Only thing that can be improved is the guidance system and the launch platform. Pakistan despite being in possession of many Harpoon Missile, for a number of years, is not in a position to reverse engineer the missile itself. Don’t think this in the realm of capabilities of even China or India.

Here is the an excerpt from ‘Boeing Harpoon site’

“ Boeing and the U.S. Navy marked the 40th anniversary of the Harpoon Missile System in June 2011. Boeing has delivered more than 7,300 Harpoon and Harpoon Block II missiles for the U.S. Navy and more than 30 international military customers since the inaugural Harpoon contract was awarded by Naval Air Systems Command on June 21, 1971. More than 600 ships, 180 submarines, 12 different types of aircraft, and several land-based launch vehicles carry Harpoon missiles. Nearly 300 Boeing team members develop, build, maintain and provide operational support for Harpoon at the St. Charles facility, which opened in July 1979.”

There isn’t too much difference between launching from a ship or from a land based installation. Without underplaying Pakistani scientist’s achievement, one must understand that land launched versions already existed, therefore making a land based launch vehicle, though commendable effort, does not call for jumping with joy.

Additionally, normally a defensive weapon is something anti-aircraft or anti – missile system. Harpoon was always an offensive weapon.
if you r to believe then what we did in 2010?
That unnamed missile test that we did n america had protested!

It was Harpoon's air launch anti ship version which was tested tested n modified it to be a land attack missile.
 
one can reduce the numbers in such conditions but there is no such as minimilistic upgrades - either you upgrade or you dont.



what does the article say about JF-17 Thunder...

What does it say I don't think it is telling that if we are producing Block 2 or not or we have started production or not ? if they have please tell me Sir
 
What does it say I don't think it is telling that if we are producing Block 2 or not or we have started production or not ? if they have please tell me Sir

plans are in place but commencement of production may be delayed.
 
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Any confirmed news on the third squadron of the JF-17 Thunder? I had heard or read it somewhere that it is scheduled to be inducted by March 2013.

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