JF-17 block 3 vs Gripen.
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I think JF-17 Block III would be a pretty good upgrade from Pakistan's point of view though from external sales perspective Block II may still be a better one as the price would be competitive.
I am still puzzled on why China has not inducted JF-17. Are they only interested in medium and heavy ones? Or are they waiting for JF-17 Block III which would be more matured? Or are they waiting for induction of PAF to be completed before they start their own?
I am still puzzled on why China has not inducted JF-17. Are they only interested in medium and heavy ones? Or are they waiting for JF-17 Block III which would be more matured? Or are they waiting for induction of PAF to be completed before they start their own?
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Different Doctrines, different requirements.
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JAS 39A versus JF-17 Block III seems unfair to JAS 39. At least make it even, since JF-17 Blk III isn't yet a thing, and make the comparison against Gripen NG/JAS 39E/F.
An "A" model versus a Block III? Come on, let's make it fair.
Gripen NG will include an AESA radar - the Raven ES-05:
Some Gripen E specs:
Gripen E is an enhanced version of the Gripen C/D multi-role aircraft. The new fighter aircraft, whose initial delivery is scheduled for 2018, will replace the Swiss Air Force's fleet of Northrop F-5E/F Tiger. Saab will carry out the modifications and related construction works for Gripen E by utilising components supplied by Swiss companies.
Saab started the construction of the pre-production Gripen E test aircraft, designated as 39-8, in July 2013. Initial construction works involve the assembly of the aircraft's front fuselage, while the payload mounting works will be carried out by RAUG.
New equipments to be integrated into the Gripen E were tested and proved in the Gripen 39-7 E/F demonstrator programme during which the test aircraft has flown for more than 250 hours in Sweden, the UK, India and Switzerland since 2008. The testing of the Gripen E is being overseen by Armasuisse.
Gripen E design details
The Gripen E has an overall length of 15.2m, wingspan of 8.6m, and maximum takeoff weight of 16,500kg. The maximum speed of the aircraft is Mach 2 at high altitude, whereas the speed at low altitude is 1,400km/h.
The one seater aircraft features ten pylon stations, which enable it to carry reconnaissance pods, weapons and external fuel tanks. Its turnaround time is ten minutes in air-to-air configuration and 20 minutes while carrying weapons for air-to-ground combat.
The aircraft's internal fuel tanks with a combined capacity of 3.4t are approximately 40% larger than those of its former version. The increased volume is made possible by moving the landing gear from the fuselage of the aircraft out to the inner wings.
Cockpit
The Gripen E features a digital cockpit with three large multi-functional displays (MFD) including a few 3D screens. The cockpit also features a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) which provides superior situational awareness for the pilot.
Weapons carried on the Gripen E
The air-to-air missiles on the Gripen E include infrared-guided short range IRIS-T missile, and the Meteor missile, which is a beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). The aircraft also has the flexibility to be fitted with Sidewinder and A-Darter missiles to replace the IRIS-T, and the Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) missile to replace the Meteor. It can further be fitted with long range weapons such as R-Darter and Derby, and short range weapons such as ASRAAM and Python.
The Gripen E can also be integrated with a number of air-to-surface weapons including unguided Mk82, Mk83 and Mk84 bombs, laser-guided bombs such as GBU-12, GBU-16 and GBU-10, and advanced bombs such as GBU-49 and GBU-39. Air-to-surface missiles such as RBS15F ER, TAURUS KEPD 350, AGM-65 Maverick, and MBDA's dual-mode Brimstone (DMB) can also be integrated into the Gripen E.
The aircraft features a 27mm all-purpose Mauser BK27 high velocity gun providing both air-to-air and air-to-surface attack capability. It is also equipped with a missile approach warning (MAW) system and is capable of carrying more chaff packets and flares compared to similar aircraft, enhancing its survivability.
Gripen E's radars, sensors and communication systems
The Gripen E is fitted with Selex's ES-05 Raven active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. Fitted on a swashplate at the nose of the aircraft, the radar provides an angular field of view of 100° and look behind capability.
The passive Infrared Search and Track (IRST) sensor system fitted to the aircraft is the Skyward G supplied by Selex. It is also mounted on the nose of the aircraft and does not emit signals. The aircraft is further fitted with a passively listening advanced electronic warfare (EW) system.
Rafael's Litening III Laser Designation Pod (LDP) is fitted to the aircraft for attacking ground targets using laser-guided bombs. The LDP also integrates a forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensor and a charge-coupled device (CCD) camera.
The Gripen E can be optionally fitted with different pod systems including Saab's own Modular Reconnaissance Pod System (MRPS), Rafael's Reccelite and Thales' digital joint reconnaissance pod (DJRP).
The aircraft can be fitted with regular radios, Havequick/SATURN frequency hopping secure radio, long distance satellite communication systems including the Link 16 for wide-area command and control (C2), which is compatible with FLORAKO radar system.
The aircraft is also fitted with a ground data link called ROVER, which provides communication to a Forward Air Controller (FAC) or Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) on the ground.
GE F414G engine for Gripen E
The Gripen E is driven by General Electric's (GE) F414G turbofan engine rated at 22,000lbs (98kN). It features a new high-pressure turbine and a new six-stage, high-pressure compressor.
GE was awarded a $250m contract by the Government of Switzerland in December 2011 to supply the engines for the Gripen E. The aircraft's engine and design enable it to fly at supersonic speed without the use of an afterburner, thus saving more fuel and enabling it to stay longer in the air.
Gripen E Multirole Fighter Aircraft - Airforce Technology
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This is a more fair comparison for JF-17 Block III.
This aircraft, 39-7, is the Gripen NG avionics test bed.
An "A" model versus a Block III? Come on, let's make it fair.
Gripen NG will include an AESA radar - the Raven ES-05:
Some Gripen E specs:
Gripen E is an enhanced version of the Gripen C/D multi-role aircraft. The new fighter aircraft, whose initial delivery is scheduled for 2018, will replace the Swiss Air Force's fleet of Northrop F-5E/F Tiger. Saab will carry out the modifications and related construction works for Gripen E by utilising components supplied by Swiss companies.
Saab started the construction of the pre-production Gripen E test aircraft, designated as 39-8, in July 2013. Initial construction works involve the assembly of the aircraft's front fuselage, while the payload mounting works will be carried out by RAUG.
New equipments to be integrated into the Gripen E were tested and proved in the Gripen 39-7 E/F demonstrator programme during which the test aircraft has flown for more than 250 hours in Sweden, the UK, India and Switzerland since 2008. The testing of the Gripen E is being overseen by Armasuisse.
Gripen E design details
The Gripen E has an overall length of 15.2m, wingspan of 8.6m, and maximum takeoff weight of 16,500kg. The maximum speed of the aircraft is Mach 2 at high altitude, whereas the speed at low altitude is 1,400km/h.
The one seater aircraft features ten pylon stations, which enable it to carry reconnaissance pods, weapons and external fuel tanks. Its turnaround time is ten minutes in air-to-air configuration and 20 minutes while carrying weapons for air-to-ground combat.
The aircraft's internal fuel tanks with a combined capacity of 3.4t are approximately 40% larger than those of its former version. The increased volume is made possible by moving the landing gear from the fuselage of the aircraft out to the inner wings.
Cockpit
The Gripen E features a digital cockpit with three large multi-functional displays (MFD) including a few 3D screens. The cockpit also features a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) which provides superior situational awareness for the pilot.
Weapons carried on the Gripen E
The air-to-air missiles on the Gripen E include infrared-guided short range IRIS-T missile, and the Meteor missile, which is a beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). The aircraft also has the flexibility to be fitted with Sidewinder and A-Darter missiles to replace the IRIS-T, and the Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) missile to replace the Meteor. It can further be fitted with long range weapons such as R-Darter and Derby, and short range weapons such as ASRAAM and Python.
The Gripen E can also be integrated with a number of air-to-surface weapons including unguided Mk82, Mk83 and Mk84 bombs, laser-guided bombs such as GBU-12, GBU-16 and GBU-10, and advanced bombs such as GBU-49 and GBU-39. Air-to-surface missiles such as RBS15F ER, TAURUS KEPD 350, AGM-65 Maverick, and MBDA's dual-mode Brimstone (DMB) can also be integrated into the Gripen E.
The aircraft features a 27mm all-purpose Mauser BK27 high velocity gun providing both air-to-air and air-to-surface attack capability. It is also equipped with a missile approach warning (MAW) system and is capable of carrying more chaff packets and flares compared to similar aircraft, enhancing its survivability.
Gripen E's radars, sensors and communication systems
The Gripen E is fitted with Selex's ES-05 Raven active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. Fitted on a swashplate at the nose of the aircraft, the radar provides an angular field of view of 100° and look behind capability.
The passive Infrared Search and Track (IRST) sensor system fitted to the aircraft is the Skyward G supplied by Selex. It is also mounted on the nose of the aircraft and does not emit signals. The aircraft is further fitted with a passively listening advanced electronic warfare (EW) system.
Rafael's Litening III Laser Designation Pod (LDP) is fitted to the aircraft for attacking ground targets using laser-guided bombs. The LDP also integrates a forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensor and a charge-coupled device (CCD) camera.
The Gripen E can be optionally fitted with different pod systems including Saab's own Modular Reconnaissance Pod System (MRPS), Rafael's Reccelite and Thales' digital joint reconnaissance pod (DJRP).
The aircraft can be fitted with regular radios, Havequick/SATURN frequency hopping secure radio, long distance satellite communication systems including the Link 16 for wide-area command and control (C2), which is compatible with FLORAKO radar system.
The aircraft is also fitted with a ground data link called ROVER, which provides communication to a Forward Air Controller (FAC) or Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) on the ground.
GE F414G engine for Gripen E
The Gripen E is driven by General Electric's (GE) F414G turbofan engine rated at 22,000lbs (98kN). It features a new high-pressure turbine and a new six-stage, high-pressure compressor.
GE was awarded a $250m contract by the Government of Switzerland in December 2011 to supply the engines for the Gripen E. The aircraft's engine and design enable it to fly at supersonic speed without the use of an afterburner, thus saving more fuel and enabling it to stay longer in the air.
Gripen E Multirole Fighter Aircraft - Airforce Technology
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This is a more fair comparison for JF-17 Block III.
This aircraft, 39-7, is the Gripen NG avionics test bed.
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Could you please elaborate. Is it because they have enough money that they do not care about cost of a sortie or is it due to the size of the country?
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JAS 39Aversus JF-17 Block III seems unfair to JAS 39. At least make it even, since JF-17 Blk III isn't yet a thing, and make the comparison against Gripen NG/JAS 39E/F.
Gripen NG will also include an AESA radar - the Raven ES-05:
Gripen E is an enhanced version of the Gripen C/D multi-role aircraft. The new fighter aircraft, whose initial delivery is scheduled for 2018, will replace the Swiss Air Force's fleet of Northrop F-5E/F Tiger. Saab will carry out the modifications and related construction works for Gripen E by utilising components supplied by Swiss companies.
Saab started the construction of the pre-production Gripen E test aircraft, designated as 39-8, in July 2013. Initial construction works involve the assembly of the aircraft's front fuselage, while the payload mounting works will be carried out by RAUG.
New equipments to be integrated into the Gripen E were tested and proved in the Gripen 39-7 E/F demonstrator programme during which the test aircraft has flown for more than 250 hours in Sweden, the UK, India and Switzerland since 2008. The testing of the Gripen E is being overseen by Armasuisse.
Gripen E design details
The Gripen E has an overall length of 15.2m, wingspan of 8.6m, and maximum takeoff weight of 16,500kg. The maximum speed of the aircraft is Mach 2 at high altitude, whereas the speed at low altitude is 1,400km/h.
The one seater aircraft features ten pylon stations, which enable it to carry reconnaissance pods, weapons and external fuel tanks. Its turnaround time is ten minutes in air-to-air configuration and 20 minutes while carrying weapons for air-to-ground combat.
The aircraft's internal fuel tanks with a combined capacity of 3.4t are approximately 40% larger than those of its former version. The increased volume is made possible by moving the landing gear from the fuselage of the aircraft out to the inner wings.
Cockpit
The Gripen E features a digital cockpit with three large multi-functional displays (MFD) including a few 3D screens. The cockpit also features a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) which provides superior situational awareness for the pilot.
Weapons carried on the Gripen E
The air-to-air missiles on the Gripen E include infrared-guided short range IRIS-T missile, and the Meteor missile, which is a beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). The aircraft also has the flexibility to be fitted with Sidewinder and A-Darter missiles to replace the IRIS-T, and the Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) missile to replace the Meteor. It can further be fitted with long range weapons such as R-Darter and Derby, and short range weapons such as ASRAAM and Python.
The Gripen E can also be integrated with a number of air-to-surface weapons including unguided Mk82, Mk83 and Mk84 bombs, laser-guided bombs such as GBU-12, GBU-16 and GBU-10, and advanced bombs such as GBU-49 and GBU-39. Air-to-surface missiles such as RBS15F ER, TAURUS KEPD 350, AGM-65 Maverick, and MBDA's dual-mode Brimstone (DMB) can also be integrated into the Gripen E.
The aircraft features a 27mm all-purpose Mauser BK27 high velocity gun providing both air-to-air and air-to-surface attack capability. It is also equipped with a missile approach warning (MAW) system and is capable of carrying more chaff packets and flares compared to similar aircraft, enhancing its survivability.
Gripen E's radars, sensors and communication systems
The Gripen E is fitted with Selex's ES-05 Raven active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. Fitted on a swashplate at the nose of the aircraft, the radar provides an angular field of view of 100° and look behind capability.
The passive Infrared Search and Track (IRST) sensor system fitted to the aircraft is the Skyward G supplied by Selex. It is also mounted on the nose of the aircraft and does not emit signals. The aircraft is further fitted with a passively listening advanced electronic warfare (EW) system.
Rafael's Litening III Laser Designation Pod (LDP) is fitted to the aircraft for attacking ground targets using laser-guided bombs. The LDP also integrates a forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensor and a charge-coupled device (CCD) camera.
The Gripen E can be optionally fitted with different pod systems including Saab's own Modular Reconnaissance Pod System (MRPS), Rafael's Reccelite and Thales' digital joint reconnaissance pod (DJRP).
The aircraft can be fitted with regular radios, Havequick/SATURN frequency hopping secure radio, long distance satellite communication systems including the Link 16 for wide-area command and control (C2), which is compatible with FLORAKO radar system.
The aircraft is also fitted with a ground data link called ROVER, which provides communication to a Forward Air Controller (FAC) or Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) on the ground.
GE F414G engine for Gripen E
The Gripen E is driven by General Electric's (GE) F414G turbofan engine rated at 22,000lbs (98kN). It features a new high-pressure turbine and a new six-stage, high-pressure compressor.
GE was awarded a $250m contract by the Government of Switzerland in December 2011 to supply the engines for the Gripen E. The aircraft's engine and design enable it to fly at supersonic speed without the use of an afterburner, thus saving more fuel and enabling it to stay longer in the air.
"The aircraft's engine and design enable it to fly at supersonic speed without the use of an afterburner."
Gripen E Multirole Fighter Aircraft - Airforce Technology
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This is a more fair comparison for JF-17 Block III.
This aircraft, 39-7, is the Gripen NG avionics test bed.
Would appreciate it if you could post it in the Gripen NG thread as well.
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So being a modular Airframe that currently employs an engine whose diameter is 40.94" will be able to shim up a 29" diameter EJ200... that's a 5.97 inch thick solid spacer shim (with it's dissimilar metal GC) , i.e if you still insist on the modularity to accept a EJ200... another option might be if you are building your EJ200 combustor module at the same size as your fuselage trailing rib. unless you modify the either the airframe or the engine, i doubt it will fit and shimming that big of a gap with the stresses involved, may not make any sense.
I would like to know more on this ej200 retrofit. Please post a link.
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Can we get GE F414G engine for JF-17 block 3?
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Chinese engines is a better choice
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please enlighten us poor souls, how this modular airframe will take a narrower engine without modification to either the airframe or the engine?
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