JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[araz]

Please stop talking nonsense and make more lies in order to cover up a lie before!

Can we please agree to disagree and move on. NO ONE on this forum knows what the basis of the-statement is. Even the nay sayers are relying on Open source info. There are problems here. Open source info is only as good as the writer writing it. Behind it maybe many layers which we do not know about it.
Agree to disagree and move on. No need to open mouth and vomit venom out.
Regards

 

[luciferdd]

Can we please agree to disagree and move on. NO ONE on this forum knows what the basis of the-statement is. Even the nay sayers are relying on Open source info. There are problems here. Open source info is only as good as the writer writing it. Behind it maybe many layers which we do not know about it.
Agree to disagree and move on. No need to open mouth and vomit venom out.
Regards

You Pakistans can induct AL-31,that's OK.But please don't relate this to ws-10 and j-10CP，all the planes will producted by CAC and there is nothing TOT.

 

[araz]

You Pakistans can induct AL-31,that's OK.But please don't relate this to ws-10 and j-10CP，all the planes will producted by CAC and there is nothing TOT.

This was not the purpose of the post. May I remind you that you are on a Pakistani forum. So why would you be there unless you have some interest in what goes on in Pakistan.
The question is not one of the origins of WS10 but simply one of decorum. You can disagree and present your argument but attacking someone who has a different point of view and name calling is something which is wrong. As to engine technology you can continue to believe what you believe.
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[luciferdd]

This was not the purpose of the post. May I remind you that you are on a Pakistani forum. So why would you be there unless you have some interest in what goes on in Pakistan.
The question is not one of the origins of WS10 but simply one of decorum. You can disagree and present your argument but attacking someone who has a different point of view and name calling is something which is wrong. As to engine technology you can continue to believe what you believe.
A

If PAF want to induct AL31 they should order some J-10CP with AL31FNsep3 but not WS10b,maybe you can remind PAF about that.

 

[Polestar 2]

This was not the purpose of the post. May I remind you that you are on a Pakistani forum. So why would you be there unless you have some interest in what goes on in Pakistan.
The question is not one of the origins of WS10 but simply one of decorum. You can disagree and present your argument but attacking someone who has a different point of view and name calling is something which is wrong. As to engine technology you can continue to believe what you believe.
A

Let me remind you, J-10CP is made in China. Chinese Information about J-10CP is critical as from your Pakistanis side. There is a reason why we are needed here.

If you think american source or indian or Turkish source is more credible than Chinese one. Go ahead and I am not stopping you.

 

[araz]

If PAF want to induct AL31 they should order some J-10CP with AL31FNsep3 but not WS10b,maybe you can remind PAF about that.

DO YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSION ISSUE OR ARE YOU JUST TYPING FOR THE HECK OF IT?? I am asking you to follow the rules of the forum and you are persistently taking it down to a AL31 vs WS10 debate. To me it does not matter whether the J10 comes with whichever engine. I am ecstatic that the PAF has chosen J10. I will remind PAF of whatever I need to remind them of. That is not your business. Can you in the meanwhile follow the forum rules please
A

Let me remind you, J-10CP is made in China. Chinese Information about J-10CP is critical as from your Pakistanis side. There is a reason why we are needed here.

If you think american source or indian or Turkish source is more credible than Chinese one. Go ahead and I am not stopping you.

YOUNG MAN. I am well aware of where J10 is made and its history. I have been following it from the 90s. This debate does not concern you as it is a simple debate of following forum rules. Choose carefully if you want to continue down this route.
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[nomi007]

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where is program link? Please share

 

[CHI RULES]

You will continue to be disappointed as stealth features and speed are very unlikely to increase. What/is our infatuation with these 2? You need to sit back and read through this/whole thread. So many times this topic has been discussed and yet every few pages someone comes up with the same old rhetoric.
Please dont mind my tirade but someyimes it gets very tiresome reading and responding to the same old questions. No disrespect meant.
A

I respect your views however in some areas expectations were threre and still are. More blocks may come with further features.

 

[baqai]

You Pakistans can induct AL-31,that's OK.But please don't relate this to ws-10 and j-10CP，all the planes will producted by CAC and there is nothing TOT.

if you dissect your J-10 you will find DNA of Lavi, F-16. and PAF in there

 

[araz]

I respect your views however in some areas expectations were threre and still are. More blocks may come with further features.

And I respect yours as well. However, there is a subtle difference between having realistic or unrealistic expectations. You always design a stealthy aircraft from the getgo. No matter how many stealth features you include, once you hang the weapons/ tanks on external hardpoints., that is gone. So you will need internal fuel/CFT and concealed weapons either underbelly or ala silent eagle. In the JFT you neither have space underbelly, nor do we( as yet) have CFT Which may reduce our singnatures somewhat more. When you incorplrate those features you will need a much more powerful engine which you do not have either. So there are a lot of hurdles to cross and with needing 100 fighters to replace and a production apeed of 12 ACs a year( for block 3s at least) you will still need 8 years to do so. If you sit back to incorporate those features your programme will be shifting back 3-4 years more which you cannot afford. I do not know why PAF has gone on a biying spree but it must be expecting mischief so developments should be in line with requirements.
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[The Terminator]

There were 1000 AIM-120 C5 in PAF Inventory and they completed shelf life of 10 years.
Most probably USA won't refurbish them.

Then we would do ourselves . 1000 missiles expired at same date! Strange

 

[Trango Towers]

If PAF want to induct AL31 they should order some J-10CP with AL31FNsep3 but not WS10b,maybe you can remind PAF about that.

Loool sure. Write to them because the paf is stupid

 

[mudas777]

There is no restriction on any parts for any American equipment for Pakistan .
Pay and get it shipped .

No wonder US stopped engines for Turkish helo's, refused to grant used F-16 sale from Jordan to Pakistan to name the few.

 

[The Eagle]

No wonder US stopped engines for Turkish helo's, refused to grant used F-16 sale from Jordan to Pakistan to name the few.

Inventory support Versus new purchase, are different. Not the topic here though

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle the stars were not system generated - I wrote the proverb with the stars myself. The system was not the one that removed the text. I wrote it myself that way. So the system did not auto correct a profanity. Just an FYI.
Anyway that is water under the bridge. Take care.

Yaar duck is not a profanity at all. The message was removed by me having subtle but untold wording. It was deleted by me with random off-topic posts & drop down was selected wrongly to abusive tag. I don't think that warrants to leave the forum like this just because of a off-topic or subtle message was deleted.

However, I am moving relevant posts to GHQ Section with appropriate title so the admins will be on board and I wouldn't take part in conversation for more transparency.

Kindest regards,