What's new

Is PDF helping bring people of Pakistan and India Closer

Status
Not open for further replies.
@haviz any decent human being would standup and call right , right and wrong, wrong.

I have pointed out that pushtoon are a federation of tribes and people of different races whose views and values were same and thus lead to kinship. it doesn't mean that you are not a pushtoon, pushtoon is values and ethics and good vs bad nothing to do with race.

I am a Muslim i am a Pakistani i am a turk i am a ghilzai, the most important thing in all this is me being a Muslim and Pakistani.
 
Most Syeds are not actually Syeds. I have even seen some African & Tamil call themselves Syed. It seems everyone & their mother wants to be called Syed, as to be called "Arab".

I have had few friends who were syeds, in karachi there are syeds, what does it mean if you are a syed, here on Arabic syed means gentleman.
 
@Icewolf am still waiting buddy.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I have had few friends who were syeds, in karachi there are syeds, what does it mean if you are a syed, here on Arabic syed means gentleman.

Syed means bloodline of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. In Saudi they are not called Syed but Sharifs. Look up Sharifs of Mecca. In Jordan the king is a Syed but they refer to themselves as Hashemite. In Persia, Iraq, and Indo-Pakistan they are known as Syeds. Also in Africa referred to as Syed.

Sharif of Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sayyid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I will give you an example of the mistake we nationalists have made. When Pakhtunkhwa was getting a name change we severely opposed it-at least the majority of nationalist factions around tried to hamper it saying that a name change was bad and an anti-federation move as provinces on the basis of ethnicity are wrong. Even Pashtuns were part of it. However we did not see that 3 provinces are already named in this way. ANP came and took the fish from the mouth of the shark that promoted concepts such as honor and nationalism-which is so ghairatmand but we failed to have a single political movement yet. So it is a failure on our part to understand the ethnic issue. If a pro-federation party had renamed the place we could have stopped a party with questionable background and very questionable supporters like Luffy from coming to power.

The Pakistaniyat approach to ethnic issues has failed @KingMamba93 and it is time to face this reality. This is why this debate is now open.

Pakistaniyat made us give a general order that all Nationalists were not to share their ethnicity with anyone. It didn't work-people would still figure out from where we lived and the language we spoke. We tried to teach our members another language to obfuscate it-this is how far we went. The only way is to break the shackles of identity is-

1) challenge why it is taken so seriously-by abandoning muhajir identity I give the message that this is not a necessity... it is not necessary to have an ethnic identity to survive.
2) By merging as a Pashtun I give a message of unity and respect of Pashtuns. I will help promote the culture, the language the ways. The offer of 500 Dhs is still on for anyone who can prove he will promote Pashtun culture and history. These parts of history we should know so Luffy cannot mislead us.
3) I also challenge muhajir identity itself. If you read all the posts on the muhajir identity thread you will be convinced. There is no one who cannot be. Migrants were supposed to merge with the ethnic groups where they came. In Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan this happened and even @Monkey D Luffy admitted this but now finds the need to bash me as he does everyone else. It only failed in Karachi because muhajir population overwhelmed the local one and now makes up 70% of Karachi. This made it difficult for them to merge with the Sindhis other than their own attitudes.
4) You might ask why not sindhis. One is my attraction to Pashtuns. Two is demographics of karachi (25% Pashtuns and 7% Sindhis) so they are the logical choice. Most of all there is my background and my links to Pashtuns.
5) To promote self-criticism. I am from birth a muhajir and that identity though I realize it is a failure was imposed on me at birth and am trying to break it-but maybe me criticizing how my family behaved can result in a mass movement of this scale and result in the breaking of the ethnic identities itself as they become inconsequential.

I thank you @ghilzai and @Armstrong for supporting me when everyone else calls me an idiot. It is an honor. But I believe the debate has gone to a different tangent by Luffy responding and me responding back. :D

So king mamba I will not do something that is against my country-be sure of it. This is in its benefit that I take this stand. Furthermore yes I do love Pashtun culture, ways history and language. But there is nothing wrong with that. It does not make me a racist nor do I have to bash anyone to maintain this identity unlike Luffy. Also do remember I may have some heritage.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
@KingMamba93 : Dude I thought blood-lines were patriarchal in nature & never divided 50:50 between both parents ! :blink:

Khair I was trolling you my young brother ! :D
 
Last edited by a moderator:
No one likes Indians, they are the Jews of Asia, i know many Pakistani Punjabi get on well with Indians, i can understand that there is some cultural link.

We don't care much for Indians, hating them is an understatement.

There are polls done about the perception of countries around the world. India is doing fine.
 
The thing is when someone here asks me oh where are your parents from, I say Pakistan not Punjab. If someone asks you what you are your ancestor should just be Pakistani, the rest should be left for imagination of the person. Don't you think you are making things worse by saying you are Pashtun. I know a couple of Pashtun here they are a proud people, obviously some would take offense to such a posture adopted on your part. No?

Did I say anything else? Do I say anything else when I meet someone. They know things about me when I speak Pashto-weak though it may be and people can usually tell I am not by birth a speaker as I lag and struggle for words sometimes. Also the pronounciation.
 
Yeah me and Armstrong have already gone through this, go to karachi and see the number of "syeds". It is not necessarily about being arab for some people more like trying not to have ever been a hindu. In Africa there is a good chance there are Syeds, the reasons why most Syeds left middle east was too spread Islam.



Within 500-600 years there will only be Pakistani ethnicity. :coffee:

After 500-600 years there will be definately one single pakistani ethnicity, if the country survived (it would be miracle).
A descendant of mine, 500 years into future, would be trying to prove himself a pashtun like havi sultan to Pashtuns of Afghanistan...he might be even saying that he is a descendant of a prince named Monkey D Luffy khan.
 
ok Mr wise guy which group are we related to? you said that with great confidence so am willing to hear it along with the proof.

We never said we are Arabs, heck even half of the Arab world ain't even Arab. A Jew and an Arab are same they semitic people, so if we ain't Arabs we definitely ain't Jews.

If afghan pushtoon are confused then why not Pakistani ones after all they are the same people, only difference is we take pride in calling ourselves Pakistani.

I dont know what Pathan are...
I said you are confused about your identity... Identity crisis...

YOU yourselves have to figure out who you are.
 
@haviZsultan : I oppose the name Khyber-Pukhtookhwa I'd much rather it was called as Pukhtoonistan with us claiming half of Afghanistan as our land ! :D

After 500-600 years there will be definately one single pakistani ethnicity, if the country survived (it would be miracle).
A descendant of mine, 500 years into future, would be trying to prove himself a pashtun like havi sultan to Pashtuns of Afghanistan...he might be even saying that he is a descendant of a prince named Monkey D Luffy khan.

Don't worry 500 years down the lane there won't be an Afghan they'd all be Farsibans ! :D
 
Last edited by a moderator:
@luffy d monkey, no personal theory on origins of pushtoon then?.

Boy you are so quiet today and we all wait for your masterpiece on origins if pushtoon.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
@KingMamba93 : Dude I thought blood-lines were patriarchal in nature & never divided 50:50 between both parents ! :blink:

Khair I was trolling you my young brother ! :D

I said that because of @Talon question why woman's names are not written down and why only men. Genetics has nothing to do with the patriarchal way of thinking in much of the world. :P

Yeah I know you are pulling my chain, and I now see why blood means little to you. For you blood is nothing so you openly identify as a Punjabi as does haviz with Pashtuns but for me blood means something because I was taught growing up that since I am a Syed I have to live as an example to other Muslims through my actions. That is also why I have it out for qadianis who openly diss Islam by changing its tenets on a whim. I guess my same way of thinking has extended to my ethnicity which is why I believe blood makes the ethnicity of a person. However unlike our friend luffy I will most likely not gun anyone down for identifying as a punjabi. :D

@haviZsultan : I oppose the name Khyber-Pukhtookhwa I'd much rather it was called as Pukhtoonistan with us claiming half of Afghanistan as our land ! :D



Don't worry 500 years down the lane there won't be an Afghan they'd all be Farsibans ! :D

Pakistan should claim all of Afghanistan, I am dead serious. :coffee:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I dont know what Pathan are...
I said you are confused about your identity... Identity crisis...

YOU yourselves have to figure out who you are.

Oh it didn't sound like that from your post, oops u did it again, now go back to sleep we know who we are.
 
After 500-600 years there will be definately one single pakistani ethnicity, if the country survived (it would be miracle).
A descendant of mine, 500 years into future, would be trying to prove himself a pashtun like havi sultan to Pashtuns of Afghanistan...he might be even saying that he is a descendant of a prince named Monkey D Luffy khan.

I doubt it. :P

Did I say anything else? Do I say anything else when I meet someone. They know things about me when I speak Pashto-weak though it may be and people can usually tell I am not by birth a speaker as I lag and struggle for words sometimes. Also the pronounciation.

Yeah but you claim you identify as Pashtun??
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom