Is a Secular Pakistan the solution?

[doppelganger]

question is secular or not secular Pakistan and why and why not

Army rule Islamic Pakistan.

Preferably with supreme ruler rollover in line with normal Army hierrarchial systems.

 

[nana41]

Lets take a look at the benefits.

From an economic perspective this will warm relations with the West if Pakistan is openly declared a secular nation. Trade would increase tenfold.

On a societal POV removing religion from the corridors of power will ensure mental lunatics with flawed education upbringing in maddrasshs and mosques would no longer be able to decide what is best for the country. Rationality and reason would become king and so would ethos of society in general - less corruption, inept leaders etc.

All banned religious militant wings would vanish. Sectarian conflict would end as government would become truly neutral.

In fact Pakistan would become a peaceful country. Terrorism would end as foreign intelligence agencies would back off.

Pakistani society is saturated with religious dogma. Too much of something is always bad even if it is good.
Eating too much food is bad. Too much exercise is bad. Religion works the same way. In fact over religiosity is a form of mental illness. Like conspiracy theory nutjobs or heroin addicts. They lose grip on reality.Right now the country is controlled and influenced by dogma and people not fit to lead. Time to change this.

Pakistan is a Capitalist/Feudal state,whose constitution is basically a legacy of of the British Rule, for good measures
,it is punctuated by things "Islamic".It is run and protected by Unionist Party of Punjabis and Sindhis otherwise known as Muslim League(s),People Parties,JUI,ANP along with increasingly in number of TEHZEEB KE FERZAND ,albeit "secular" elements.Pakistan is not a Islamic State in practice ,but only in name.Don"t try to make this Secular state
more secular.
BAQI NA RAHEE TERI AAENA ZAMIREE
AEY KUSHTA E SULTANI O MULLAI O PIREE (ALLAMA IQBAL [ra]

 

[Hiptullha]

If Pakistan become secular then it automatically become India, Islamism differentiate it with India.

But there are plenty of Islamist parties in India? And isn't it true that Islamist parties (Jamaat-e-Islami Hind) supported staying in India? Didn't it reject Pakistan ideology? So how is it that Islamism differentiates Pakistan from India when most Islamists favoured India?

 

[9876]

It's no coincidence that most developed nations are secular. Many atrocities have been committed in the name of religion (look at IS/ISIS). Criminals shouldn't be allowed to hide behind the name of religion. Remove religion from politics and watch things improve

 

[Kambojaric]

Secularism is not possible at the moment since the backlash from society would be intense. Further there is no need for outright secularism either as all we need is that certain sections of our society understand and accept the concept of religious pluralism i.e. the idea that practitioners of different religions or sects can live side by side without the need for them to convert each other or declare their righteousness over others.

I want to see Pakistanis practice the Islam of tolerance, respect and love for others regardless of faith, creed or colour. This will automatically lead to a stable and harmonious society. As Rumi said:

I looked for God. I went to a temple, and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church, and I didn't find him there. And then I went to a mosque, and I didn't find him there. And then finally I looked in my heart, and there he was.

 

[Arsalan]

If Pakistan become secular then it automatically become India, Islamism differentiate it with India.

again,,, a mi

Its not always counter productive to have neutral outside opinion.



Why blame scholars, the real culprit are the followers.

I am a born hindu, have read Gita and Quran.

Followers are being misguided. There only mistake if any is that they are not looking and searching for the right meaning them self that they should be...

 

[Manindra]

But there are plenty of Islamist parties in India? And isn't it true that Islamist parties (Jamaat-e-Islami Hind) supported staying in India? Didn't it reject Pakistan ideology? So how is it that Islamism differentiates Pakistan from India when most Islamists favoured India?

Does not United India's Deoband & Jamat-E-Islami Hind are more powerful than House of al saud.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Lets take a look at the benefits.

From an economic perspective this will warm relations with the West if Pakistan is openly declared a secular nation. Trade would increase tenfold.

On a societal POV removing religion from the corridors of power will ensure mental lunatics with flawed education upbringing in maddrasshs and mosques would no longer be able to decide what is best for the country. Rationality and reason would become king and so would ethos of society in general - less corruption, inept leaders etc.

All banned religious militant wings would vanish. Sectarian conflict would end as government would become truly neutral.

In fact Pakistan would become a peaceful country. Terrorism would end as foreign intelligence agencies would back off.

Pakistani society is saturated with religious dogma. Too much of something is always bad even if it is good.

Eating too much food is bad. Too much exercise is bad. Religion works the same way. In fact over religiosity is a form of mental illness. Like conspiracy theory nutjobs or heroin addicts. They lose grip on reality.

Right now the country is controlled and influenced by dogma and people not fit to lead. Time to change this.

Never make that mistake.

We made it and are suffering.

 

[Hiptullha]

Does not United India's Deoband & Jamat-E-Islami Hind are more powerful than House of al saud.

House of Saud's influence grew during 1980s, way after the formation of Pakistan ideology. So you are wrong. Islamists didn't favour Pakistan, they favored India and worked with Indian Congress while Pakistan mostly had people who wanted to create a state influenced by Islamic principles at the most and not a Shariah state.

 

[Saifullah]

its funny to me People saying "Too much Religion is bad" when there is almost none in the actual form. On personal basis 5% people are trying to be on the minimum of Islam and on state level there are some bits flying around with selected things with in Islam. And now i am reading some one suggesting Secular Pakistan, its just laughable. Millions of people gave there life for an Islamic state and there is almost none Islam in its real form.

 

[9876]

This is the point, Islam isn't practiced in it's true fashion. The uneducated mullah's have taken control. They use religion to promote their own agenda. Make the state secular and you promote critical reasoning. Critical reasoning promotes a deeper understanding of a subject, it makes us better muslims.

 

[Salman Arif]

I think government and the law of Pakistan should be impartial to religion, aka secular. You can still have it be "Islamic Republic" for ceremonial reasons. Let molvies into the government and they will set the world on fire. Didn't JI's leader said some time ago that soldiers dying in FATA are not martyrs. In any case, doing that now would be suicidal; they shot Salmaan Taseer because he talked about reforming the law so the innocent don't get convicted. However, I do see this happening in another 100 years.

Lets take a look at the benefits.

From an economic perspective this will warm relations with the West if Pakistan is openly declared a secular nation. Trade would increase tenfold.

On a societal POV removing religion from the corridors of power will ensure mental lunatics with flawed education upbringing in maddrasshs and mosques would no longer be able to decide what is best for the country. Rationality and reason would become king and so would ethos of society in general - less corruption, inept leaders etc.

All banned religious militant wings would vanish. Sectarian conflict would end as government would become truly neutral.

In fact Pakistan would become a peaceful country. Terrorism would end as foreign intelligence agencies would back off.

Pakistani society is saturated with religious dogma. Too much of something is always bad even if it is good.

Eating too much food is bad. Too much exercise is bad. Religion works the same way. In fact over religiosity is a form of mental illness. Like conspiracy theory nutjobs or heroin addicts. They lose grip on reality.

Right now the country is controlled and influenced by dogma and people not fit to lead. Time to change this.

"Bazoo tera tauheed ki kowwat se qawi hae----Islam tera des hae too mustafawi hae"(Iqbal in Bang e dara)
Many teachings of Iqbal and many sayings of Quaid indicate no room for secularism, also our history shows Muslims only progressed by sticking to the rules of Quran and Sunnah(and we are doing opposite right now), whether it would be Arabs(Prophet Muhammad PBUH) or Ottomans. Any nation progresses by following the teachings of its leaders.

Infact Iqbal says in Iblees ki Majlis e Shura in his book "Armaghan e Hijaz":
Too ne dekha nahein Maghrib ka jamhoori nizam!----Chehra Roshan! Andaroon Changez(Gangez Khan) se tareek ter!(Iqbal)
And there is many more. All answers lie in this poem, it was written by him in his last days, so it shares the core concepts.
Religion is not problem, extremism is.

 

[Saifullah]

This is the point, Islam isn't practiced in it's true fashion. The uneducated mullah's have taken control. They use religion to promote their own agenda. Make the state secular and you promote critical reasoning. Critical reasoning promotes a deeper understanding of a subject, it makes us better muslims.

What is "MULLAH" and where are they ?

 

[9876]

What is "MULLAH" and where are they ?

The religious fanatics that have plagued Pakistani society for decades.

 

[Manindra]

House of Saud's influence grew during 1980s, way after the formation of Pakistan ideology. So you are wrong. Islamists didn't favour Pakistan, they favored India and worked with Indian Congress while Pakistan mostly had people who wanted to create a state influenced by Islamic principles at the most and not a Shariah state.

Don't you think 360 million Muslims in a united India give them more power comparing now.