Indians who deny Aryan invasion, please explain this

[Indos]

The Aryan most probably Pasthun

 

[Rana4pak]

What about this
Romuva

Rajputs were the ancestors of a tribe that once ruled European country, Lithuania, for many years and some of their ancient practices as per the Vedic culture continue till date. The tribe called Romuva has played a major role in the independence of Lithuania...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan did not exist in the past.

Okay. Fair point. But you used 'Balochistan' twice in that post. Tell me did it exist 2000 years ago or even 1000 years ago? That region was called Gedrosia by the Greeks. The present name began to be used in the British period. The modern province of Balochistan was constructed after 1947 when various khanates, emirates were integrated into the modern Balochistan. Quote below.

Baluchistan

Afghanistan

Afghanistan was formed in the 18th century yet you have no problem using it retroactively.

India

This was first used in English text about 12th century and only gained currency after the 17th century.

So please tell me why are you using names for a period when they did not even exist? Like Balochistan, Afghanistan and India? I tell yiu why because of your agenda. The geography between India and Afghanistan is "verboten". Thus the gymnastics to avoid using it and lame exuses to justify it.

Pakistan has people with vastly different lineage. Baluchistan is mostly Persian Shia, KPK is mostly Afghan.

Thank you for teaching us this. Yes, even our name is a acronym of Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sind, Balochistan. We are a federation. Read this pamphlet by the Rehmat Ali who came up with the name in 1933.

But tell me. Is Pakistan unique in having a federation of peoples? Let me look at your Ganga-desh. Sorry India. The south of India is full of those ugly Dravidians speaking a very strange language with even stranger sounds with a culture that is alien to us in Pakistan. You know these semi-aborginals you have south of the Vindhyas.

Then you have the Tibeto-Burmans on the north east. Even your Bengali population has traces of Tibeto-Burman heritage. Then you have the vast Ganga plains with layer of invaders blood and substratum of aboreginas. You still have pockets of these semi-naked Austro-Aboriginals hiding in forests as proof of Indian civilization. You have even more cleavages and fractures in India then we do. Yet you have the galls to point fingers at us.

Newsflash. No large country is homogenous. Take Turkey or Iran. Both have huge numbers of Kurds, Azeris etc. Afghanistan itself is a hotch potch of Pakhtuns, Mongol Shia Hazara who look like Koreans, Turkmens, Uzbek Turks, Farsiwans, Nuristani's etc.

 

[Old School]

The Arya name had existed in the sub-continent before any European including Alexander of Macedonia ever visited the region. The 19th century Europeans hijacked the term Arya in order to further their white supremacists ideology which surfaced during Hitler's Nazi regime and gave rise to pseudo-science erroneous 'Eugenics'.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

part of Indian empire

There never was a "Indian Empire" that I know of but do tell me please? And even if such a delusion existed it means nothing. Over 5,000 years of Indus Basin history this region has been part of Persian, Greek, Kushan etc rule. In fact not too lonmg ago it was part of the British Empire. Which reminds so were you.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

The Aryan most probably Pasthun

No sir most probably from central Asia

 

[Indos]

No sir most probably from central Asia

Central Asia is mix Eurosian/Chinese, very different IMO, the look more like Hazara or Uigyur

This in Indian Indonesian who become one of representation of North Sumatra province in our national beauty pagean competition last year

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Central Asia is mix Eurosian/Chinese, very different IMO, the look more like Hazara or Uigyur

This in Indian Indonesian who become one of representation of North Sumatra province in our national beauty pagean competition last year

It a migration Sir, so i think its held in episodes first they start from central Asia and rested in different places throughout their migration process and their stay could be in Afghanistan for centuries than they slowly migrated toward the subcontinent

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Just said what I heard from some friendly Jats.



Take the Assamese example and suppose those with lower or no Chinese ancestry are lower caste and untouchable. Suppose the division is not based on wealth but on Chinese ancestry. Suppose a wealthy person with low Chinese ancestry is still low caste. Then you would have a caste hierarchy based on Chinese ancestry in Assam, right?
That's exactly what happened in rest of India. Instead of Chinese ancestry what you have is Corded Ware / Sintashta in upper caste.

But this is not the case. Dalits are children of muslims with hindu women. When muslims invaded some area, they killed the men and took the women as slaves. Children were born to these women who were muslims. But later, after a few years, hindus attacked this land, killed the muslims and freed the women. But these women already had children from muslims and hence these children were not accepted into the society by Hindus. They became Dalits. Being dalits has nothing to do with being non European. Even in the DNA results, it was for the tribals, who were not untouchables. Tribals just happened to live in forests and hence became backwards. There was no discrimination against them. If someone wants to live in the forest, what can anyone else do? You are taking DNA of tribals and then comparing dalits which makes no sense.

Okay. Fair point. But you used 'Balochistan' twice in that post. Tell me did it exist 2000 years ago or even 1000 years ago? That region was called Gedrosia by the Greeks. The present name began to be used in the British period. The modern province of Balochistan was constructed after 1947 when various khanates, emirates were integrated into the modern Balochistan. Quote below.

Afghanistan was formed in the 18th century yet you have no problem using it retroactively.

This was first used in English text about 12th century and only gained currency after the 17th century.

So please tell me why are you using names for a period when they did not even exist? Like Balochistan, Afghanistan and India? I tell yiu why because of your agenda. The geography between India and Afghanistan is "verboten". Thus the gymnastics to avoid using it and lame exuses to justify it.

I only used them because that was the boundary for "Gandharva" territory. Wherever there was no relevance, why should I take the name of that territory? Let us say, I said Gandharvas lived across Pakistan. It would appear that Gandharvas lives in Sindh, Punjab, KPK & Baluchistan. This is incorrect as Gandhava land only started from the end of the Sindhu/Indus basin which is the KPK mountain range and Baluchistan desert

There never was a "Indian Empire" that I know of but do tell me please? And even if such a delusion existed it means nothing. Over 5,000 years of Indus Basin history this region has been part of Persian, Greek, Kushan etc rule. In fact not too long ago it was part of the British Empire. Which reminds so were you.

There was a race called "Nara" just like Yakshas, Gandharvas etc who lived to the east of Sulaiman-HinduKush range. Today, people think that "Nara" means "man" but that is not the case. Nara is a race of men who lived in India. This is what I mean by Indian empire.

 

[Srinivas]

Call it European or Aryan, it does not matter as long as I can get my message through.

We have ancient DNA from Corded Ware and Sintashta. So Yes, there is REAL DNA from ancient people who makes up the bulk of modern ancestry of Northern Europeans, and part of the ancestry of upper caste Hindus.

Lords and Khans are genetically identical to the people they rule. Not at all similar to Indian caste hierarchy.

Genetics, Aryas and language are three different things. There is no evidence of large scale invasion on India. It may be migrations.

The same steppe people who migrated to India also migrated to Eastern Europe.

 

[Indos]

Genetics, Aryas and language are three different things. There is no evidence of large scale invasion on India. It may be migrations.

The same steppe people who migrated to India also migrated to Eastern Europe.

Maybe migration then rule without the need to fight .....this is why the white skin become the high caste.....

I dont think white skin European comes form the steppe people, white skin with European looks is due to climate happening in Europe. Central Asian despite is also cold in climate but look more North Chinese/Japanese/Korean with white skin as well.

Your region has white skin people that Today is part of Muslim world. Pasthun region is not like India with better climate and fertile, so understandable if they want to migrate, same thing like when Campa from Kalimantan go to Vietnam with much fertile land while Java and Sumatra have already had strong kingdom

 

[Srinivas]

Maybe migration then rule without the need to fight .....this is why the white skin become the high caste.....

I dont think white skin European comes form the steppe people, white skin with European looks is due to climate happening in Europe. Central Asian despite is also cold in climate but look more North Chinese/Japanese/Korean with white skin as well.

Your region has white skin people that Today is part of Muslim world. Pasthun region is not like India with better climate and fertile, so understandable if they want to migrate, same thing like when Campa from Kalimantan go to Vietnam with much fertile land while Java and Sumatra have already had strong kingdom

checkout R1A1 gene mapping map and see Europe. They came from Steppe.

Ancient North Indian Gene entered India 45000 year ago. Migrants societies thrive and climb social order.

 

[Hiptullha]

But this is not the case. Dalits are children of muslims with hindu women. When muslims invaded some area, they killed the men and took the women as slaves.

The Roma are descended from Dalits so this is just another laughable Hindoo attempt at history. Everyone else in this thread can write this Hindoo off as the psuedohistory peddling quack he is.

Rajputs were the ancestors of a tribe that once ruled European country,

False. I was under the impression Rajput is a medieval Indian identity.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What is factual? Is there anyone who has seen what happened even 1000 year back? Mahabharatha is a book written 5000 years ago. It has mention of the races and their approximate locations with respect to India. That is much more authentic than any other source

WHY is it FACTUAL and WHERE is the proof that it is?

 

[Hiptullha]

There is no evidence of large scale invasion on India.

Yes, this is because the Indo-Europeans came in waves and different tribes. There wouldn't be large scale invasions and battles because the violence would be low-intensity tribal warfare.