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India's caste system goes back 2,000 years, genetic study finds - NBC News.com

The caste system in South Asia — which rigidly separates people into high, middle and lower classes — may have been firmly entrenched by about 2,000 years ago, a new genetic analysis suggests.

Researchers found that people from different genetic populations in India began mixing about 4,200 years ago, but the mingling stopped around 1,900 years ago, according to the analysis published Thursday in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Combining this new genetic information with ancient texts, the results suggest that class distinctions emerged 3,000 to 3,500 years ago, and caste divisions became strict roughly two millennia ago.

Though relationships between people of different social groups was once common, there was a "transformation where most groups now practice endogamy," or marry within their group, said study co-author Priya Moorjani, a geneticist at Harvard University.

Ancestral populations
Hindus in India have historically been born into one of four major castes, with myriad subdivisions within each caste. Even today, in some parts of the country, marriage outside of one's caste is forbidden and those in the outcast, or "untouchable" group are discriminated against and prohibited from participating in religious rituals. (The Indian government has outlawed certain types of discrimination against the lowest classes.)

But when and why this system evolved has always been a bit murky, said Michael Witzel, a South Asian studies researcher at Harvard University, who was not involved in the work.

Moorjani's past research revealed that all people in India trace their heritage to two genetic groups: An ancestral North Indian group originally from the Near East and the Caucasus region, and another South Indian group that was more closely related to people on the Andaman Islands.

Today, everyone in India has DNA from both groups. "It's just the proportion of ancestry that you have that varies across India," Moorjani told LiveScience.

To determine exactly when these ancient groups mixed, the team analyzed DNA from 371 people who were members of 73 groups throughout the subcontinent.

Aside from finding when the mixing started and stopped, the researchers also found the mixing was thorough, with even the most isolated tribes showing ancestry from both groups.

Period of transition
Researchers aren't sure which groups of ancient people lived in India prior to 4,200 years ago, but Moorjani suspects the two groups lived side by side for centuries without intermarrying.

Archaeological evidence indicates that the groups began intermarrying during a time of great upheaval. The Indus Valley civilization, which spanned much of modern-day North India and Pakistan, was waning, and huge migrations were occurring across North India. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]

Ancient texts also reveal clues about the period.

The Rigveda, a nearly 3,500-year-old collection of hymns written in Sanskrit, a North Indian language, mentions chieftains with South Indian names.

"So there is some sort of mixture or intermarriage," Witzel told LiveScience.

Early on, there were distinct classes of people — the priests, the nobility and the common people — but no mention of segregation or occupational restrictions. By about 3,000 years ago, the texts mention a fourth, lowest class: the Sudras. But it wasn't until about 100 B.C. that a holy text called the Manusmruti explicitly forbade intermarriage across castes.

The study doesn't suggest that either the ancestral North or South Indian group formed the bulk of the upper or lower castes, Witzel said.

Rather, when caste divisions hardened, any type of intermarriage was sharply curtailed, leading to much less mixing overall.
 
Lord Krishna speaks to Arjuna as he clarifies the origin and purpose of the caste system in sanaatana dharma (Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, Shloka 13).

CHATUR VARNYAM MAYAA SRISHTAM GUNA KARMA VIBHAGASHAHA
TASYA KARTARAM API MAAM VIDDHI AKARTARAM AVYAYAM


The four-fold order was created by Me according to the divisions of quality and work. Though I am its creator, know Me to be incapable of action or change.

Cāturvarṇyaṃ: the four-fold order. The four varnas are named - Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. They constitute the four-fold order. The three gunas - sattva, rajas and tamas - and the law of karma - these four elements were divided by Me to create the four varnas.

Sattva guna predominates in Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Rajas guna predominates in Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Rajas guna also predominates in Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Tamas guna predominates in shudras - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.

Serving doesn't mean he /she is your slave .even soldier serves his country.soldiers can be of any caste,waiter serves the food,even there are brahmins who are serving nation ,there are kshatriyas who are professors ,there are vaishas who might be across borders and might be shudras who might be writing p.hd thesis ,so its all your karma,not what you are born.respect all people if you want to see strong india..

The emphasis is on guna (aptitude) and karma (function) and not on jaati (birth). The varna or the order to which we belong is independent of sex, birth or breeding. A varna is determined by temperament and vocation - not by birth or heredity.

Guys here are some examples

Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.

Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)

Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.

Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin.

Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas(demon).

Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.

Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal
Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.
Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.
Recent example is Dr.Ambedakar ,he is constitution maker of India ,the man who fought against caste system,hats off to him.He proved that its your karma not where and in which caste you are born.
guys and gals remember one thing krishna made varna system but not caste system,caste system was made by humans..everyone is equal.


As i suggest in the quote above... The modern version of caste system is no where close to what it was earlier ... the modern version is a sick and pathetic version which has been mistaken to be the original caste system ...
 
India's caste system goes back 2,000 years, genetic study finds - NBC News.com

The caste system in South Asia — which rigidly separates people into high, middle and lower classes — may have been firmly entrenched by about 2,000 years ago, a new genetic analysis suggests.

Researchers found that people from different genetic populations in India began mixing about 4,200 years ago, but the mingling stopped around 1,900 years ago, according to the analysis published Thursday in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Combining this new genetic information with ancient texts, the results suggest that class distinctions emerged 3,000 to 3,500 years ago, and caste divisions became strict roughly two millennia ago.

Though relationships between people of different social groups was once common, there was a "transformation where most groups now practice endogamy," or marry within their group, said study co-author Priya Moorjani, a geneticist at Harvard University.

Ancestral populations
Hindus in India have historically been born into one of four major castes, with myriad subdivisions within each caste. Even today, in some parts of the country, marriage outside of one's caste is forbidden and those in the outcast, or "untouchable" group are discriminated against and prohibited from participating in religious rituals. (The Indian government has outlawed certain types of discrimination against the lowest classes.)

But when and why this system evolved has always been a bit murky, said Michael Witzel, a South Asian studies researcher at Harvard University, who was not involved in the work.

Moorjani's past research revealed that all people in India trace their heritage to two genetic groups: An ancestral North Indian group originally from the Near East and the Caucasus region, and another South Indian group that was more closely related to people on the Andaman Islands.

Today, everyone in India has DNA from both groups. "It's just the proportion of ancestry that you have that varies across India," Moorjani told LiveScience.

To determine exactly when these ancient groups mixed, the team analyzed DNA from 371 people who were members of 73 groups throughout the subcontinent.

Aside from finding when the mixing started and stopped, the researchers also found the mixing was thorough, with even the most isolated tribes showing ancestry from both groups.

Period of transition
Researchers aren't sure which groups of ancient people lived in India prior to 4,200 years ago, but Moorjani suspects the two groups lived side by side for centuries without intermarrying.

Archaeological evidence indicates that the groups began intermarrying during a time of great upheaval. The Indus Valley civilization, which spanned much of modern-day North India and Pakistan, was waning, and huge migrations were occurring across North India. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]

Ancient texts also reveal clues about the period.

The Rigveda, a nearly 3,500-year-old collection of hymns written in Sanskrit, a North Indian language, mentions chieftains with South Indian names.

"So there is some sort of mixture or intermarriage," Witzel told LiveScience.

Early on, there were distinct classes of people — the priests, the nobility and the common people — but no mention of segregation or occupational restrictions. By about 3,000 years ago, the texts mention a fourth, lowest class: the Sudras. But it wasn't until about 100 B.C. that a holy text called the Manusmruti explicitly forbade intermarriage across castes.

The study doesn't suggest that either the ancestral North or South Indian group formed the bulk of the upper or lower castes, Witzel said.

Rather, when caste divisions hardened, any type of intermarriage was sharply curtailed, leading to much less mixing overall.

The Indus Valley civilization, which spanned much of modern-day North India and Pakistan, was waning, and huge migrations were occurring across North India.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...-years-genetic-study-finds.html#ixzz2c2dGok67

For all those Pakistanis who like to claim the Indus Valley civilisation in exclusivity.
 
I've always been intrigued about the castes 'in the middle', I mean we only hear about Brahmins and the other ones (what's it called?)
I want to know about all the other castes and where they all went?
 
Human genetics are adaptable and when something is enforced rigidly, your genetics due to iter-reproduction between like minded persons will adapt to it. Just like how Muslim genetics have been adapted to produce dumb and dumber generation further on.
 
I've always been intrigued about the castes 'in the middle', I mean we only hear about Brahmins and the other ones (what's it called?)
I want to know about all the other castes and where they all went?

Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Shudras - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.
 
Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Shudras - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.

I would kill the guy who wrote this in the first place:pissed:
 
The very nature of Cast system was not as the same as it was two thousand years ago.If those although born in lower castes were wiser and possessed higher qualities were pulled up in the higher clusters. Where as the reverse treatment happened with those who did not have the qualities to remain in upper classes and were harshly thrown down to the lower sections.
 
I would kill the guy who wrote this in the first place:pissed:

Read my post...it was based on merit than by Birth , you were to be guided by a Brahmin from the age of 5 till the age of 20 from which based on your merit you were to be decided if you needed further education or if you would be a part of any other caste ..
It was just like school...
 
Read my post...it was based on merit than by Birth , you were to be guided by a Brahmin from the age of 5 till the age of 20 from which based on your merit you were to be decided if you needed further education or if you would be a part of any other caste ..
It was just like school...

Who exactly is a brahmin to decide what should i do.
Caste system be it in ancient times or in modern times is a tool of discrimination.
They were also the one who invented sati and other $hit.

The very nature of Cast system was not as the same as it was two thousand years ago.If those although born in lower castes were wiser and possessed higher qualities were pulled up in the higher clusters. Where as the reverse treatment happened with those who did not have the qualities to remain in upper classes and were harshly thrown down to the lower sections.

Very nature of caste system is to discriminate and whatever you said has no factual evidence, and please tell me who are brahmins and what determines that they are indeed brahmins.
 
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