Indians who deny Aryan invasion, please explain this

[Talwar e Pakistan]

would hope the same research can be used for other south asian civs?.

It wouldn't be possible as Indian polities such as the Mauryans or Guptas lack the realistic style of sculpting that was introduced to the Gandharans by the Greeks.

I believe there were facial shape reconstructions based off of the skeletons found in Rakhigharhi, I could try those.

Bydway Thank God no blue eyed, blonde haired steppe nordic many europeans will be dissapointed.

Not even the Proto-Indo-Europeans had such features.

 

[Maira La]

It wouldn't be possible as Indian polities such as the Mauryans or Guptas lack the realistic style of sculpting that was introduced to the Gandharans by the Greeks.

I believe there were facial shape reconstructions based off of the skeletons found in Rakhigharhi, I could try those.



Not even the Proto-Indo-Europeans had such features.

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There's some artist imagination involved for sure.

Yamnaya people were not as depigmented as modern Europeans. They had dark hair and eye colors.


However the people Indo-Iranians descend from (Corded Ware, Sintashta, Fatanyavo) were more de-pigmented with higher frequency of non-dark hair and eye colors. These people also contribute more than 70% ancestry to modern Northern Europeans.

 

[Drizzt]

Never said it was magic.


You are correct. Except my versions have no post-processing.

Gandhara far predates Greco-Bactrians who were a separate people that invaded the Indus region (including Gandhara) and were eventually assimilated by the local inhabitants.

We have genetic samples of the Gandharans and as I said earlier, they fall within the Pakistani genetic cluster.
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Gandhara was established in the Peshawar Valley and later came to encompass much of Northern Punjab, KPK and parts of East Afghanistan with Taxila and Peshawar as it's two main cities. Its cultural sphere encompassed the near entirety of Pakistan, East Afghanistan and South-West China. Neither the source nor the map you linked are accurate.

Ancient Gandhara you mention, that predates Greco-Bactrian Gandhara, did not create those sculptures. Those Buddhist sculptures were created by Greco-Bactrians who invaded and ruled over native Gandharans.

This and other Gandharan sculptures you see. is a Greek work of art, made by a Greek artisans. They first occupied Afghanistan, then North-West Areas of Pakistan.

Sculpture of Greek Goddess Athena, found at Gandhara site in Afghanistan.

These are pre Greco-Bactrian Gandhara arts produced by native Gandharans around 300 BC to 100 BC

 

[Smarana Mitra]

You deny dalits are genetically close to tribals and hunter-gatherers? We can put an end to this argument with Science.

Let's compare three populations from TN: TN Brahmin (upper caste), Piramalai (mid/low caste) and Sakilli (Tamil Dalit, Untouchable).

Also using same populations for modelling as in post #24: Paniya (representing adivasi), Iranian Jew (representing West Asian mediated through IVC) and Belarusian (representing Indo-European).

See result below.

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Notice only the Brahmins score Belarusian. Which means they have significant Indo-Aryan ancestry.

The Tamil Dalit/Untouchable (Sakilli) group scores the highest % Paniya, showing they are closest to adivasi.

It's clear the social hierarchy is reflected in their genetics.

The Sakili were never untouchables. They were considered low caste as they worked on bodies of dead animals. But they were not dalits. They were originally tribals who settled in cities and villages near slaughterhouses. Show me one evidence to say that they were untouchables? Merely because they are scheduled caste does not mean they are dalits. Scheduled caste also involve several extremely low castes though they were not untouchables

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Ancient Gandhara you mention, that predates Greco-Bactrian Gandhara, did not create those sculptures. Those Buddhist sculptures were created by Greco-Bactrians who invaded and ruled over native Gandharans.

This and other Gandharan sculptures you see. is a Greek work of art, made by a Greek artisans. They first occupied Afghanistan, then North-West Areas of Pakistan.

The artform is officially known as Greco-Buddhist art and albeit it's heavy Greco-Roman influence, it is considered distinct.
Likewise, the The Art of Mathura too is considered a distinct art-style even despite it's heavy Greco-Roman influence.

The claim that these sculptures were made by Greek artisans is false, although that may have been correct for the earliest examples of Greco-Buddhist art; Gandharan art had reached it's peak under the Kushans and was still alive into the 13th century, far after Greek identity had long eroded. Greco-Bactrian rule over Gandhara had only lasted several decades.

 

[Maira La]

The Sakili were never untouchables. They were considered low caste as they worked on bodies of dead animals. But they were not dalits. They were originally tribals who settled in cities and villages near slaughterhouses. Show me one evidence to say that they were untouchables? Merely because they are scheduled caste does not mean they are dalits. Scheduled caste also involve several extremely low castes though they were not untouchables

I don't care about their disputed untouchability status. I'm not here to argue that.

My post does a good job at proving how caste stratification is reflected in genetics, by comparing genetics of 3 different groups from the same region with different caste status.

 

[Gangetic]

Glad to hear. I am currently working on a project that utilizes cutting-edge AI to generate photorealistic faces from Gandharan sculptures. Stay tuned.


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Face looks straight out of Quetta.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

I don't care about their disputed untouchability status. I'm not here to argue that.

My post does a good job at proving how caste stratification is reflected in genetics, by comparing genetics of 3 different groups from the same region with different caste status.

Tribals automatically have low caste as they live in forests and away from the regular city based civilisation. But that does mean anything as the tribals chose to live in forests by themselves rather than being forcibly pushed there.

 

[Maira La]

If anyone's curious.. comparing Baloch and Kalash: