Indian pressure on France stopped Thunder Upgrade WIKI leaks Very

[Basel]

Does this company makes the radar small enough to fit JF17?

Yes, read my post I have edited it.

They made AESA radar small enough to fit a UAV like Falco which PAF use.

 

[Donatello]

As usual, the biggest troll on PDF cherry picks what he likes.

The report clearly mentions some interesting things:

1- MICA has inferior range to SD-10, so much for Indian fanboys chanting chinese this and that and MICA this MICA that.
2-Pakistan's plan was part of a expected, longer term 6 billion Euro deal, so it's unlikely that French would refuse potential 6 billion Euros, for a potential 20 billion USD deal with India, which has not even signed yet. Pakistan would have been able to pay some amount and French would have received some cash by now. India, is still hanging in balance.
3-Chinese pressure to keep JF-17 Chinese. KLJ-7 Is potent enough, and it has been discussed that SD-10 is way superior to what it seems, and as such radars can be upgraded in future. Current plan is to keep integrating SD-10s and put them in the PAF's new BVR curriculum
4-French worried about Pakistan's ability to pay, but that could have been solved through loan guarantees, just like the billion dollar deal with Swedes for the SAAB2000 Erieyes.


So yes, at least bother to read the full post, rather than trolling.

France had a far greater deal on the cards with India and turned down Pakistan, it's called business.

What business? The deal has not been signed yet. and india is not going to pay the total amount upfront. The total length of program is about 8-10 years. French could have earned from Pakistan, what they will earning from India each year for the next 10 years. Now you tell me, what would you prefer......cash in your hand now or later?

 

[Nitin Goyal]

As usual, the biggest troll on PDF cherry picks what he likes.

The report clearly mentions some interesting things:

1- MICA has inferior range to SD-10, so much for Indian fanboys chanting chinese this and that and MICA this MICA that.
2-Pakistan's plan was part of a expected, longer term 6 billion Euro deal, so it's unlikely that French would refuse potential 6 billion Euros, for a potential 20 billion USD deal with India, which has not even signed yet. Pakistan would have been able to pay some amount and French would have received some cash by now. India, is still hanging in balance.
3-Chinese pressure to keep JF-17 Chinese. KLJ-7 Is potent enough, and it has been discussed that SD-10 is way superior to what it seems, and as such radars can be upgraded in future. Current plan is to keep integrating SD-10s and put them in the PAF's new BVR curriculum
4-French worried about Pakistan's ability to pay, but that could have been solved through loan guarantees, just like the billion dollar deal with Swedes for the SAAB2000 Erieyes.


So yes, at least bother to read the full post, rather than trolling.



What business? The deal has not been signed yet. and india is not going to pay the total amount upfront. The total length of program is about 8-10 years. French could have earned from Pakistan, what they will earning from India each year for the next 10 years. Now you tell me, what would you prefer......cash in your hand now or later?

You better visit this link. a country on the brink of bankruptcy talking big about multibillions dollars deal, which are not productive in nature.

11 Countries Near Bankruptcy

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

As usual, the biggest troll on PDF cherry picks what he likes.

The report clearly mentions some interesting things:

1- MICA has inferior range to SD-10, so much for Indian fanboys chanting chinese this and that and MICA this MICA that.
2-Pakistan's plan was part of a expected, longer term 6 billion Euro deal, so it's unlikely that French would refuse potential 6 billion Euros, for a potential 20 billion USD deal with India, which has not even signed yet. Pakistan would have been able to pay some amount and French would have received some cash by now. India, is still hanging in balance.
3-Chinese pressure to keep JF-17 Chinese. KLJ-7 Is potent enough, and it has been discussed that SD-10 is way superior to what it seems, and as such radars can be upgraded in future. Current plan is to keep integrating SD-10s and put them in the PAF's new BVR curriculum
4-French worried about Pakistan's ability to pay, but that could have been solved through loan guarantees, just like the billion dollar deal with Swedes for the SAAB2000 Erieyes.


So yes, at least bother to read the full post, rather than trolling.

1. Its you who is acting like a fanboy here. MICA was never known for its range. Dassault has clearly said that range will lie between 50 to 70 KM. Its known for its kill probability and dual seekers.

2. So the report is false? Or probably your analysis is incorrect.

3. What is the basis of suggesting SD10 is way superior? Same fantasies which said that JF17 blk II will come with AESA?

4. So if Swedes agreed to loan you 1 billion dollars, the french should agree for a loan of 6 billion Euros? Logical indeed.

 

[Basel]

Now we know why French charged an arm and two legs for upgrading IAF's Mirage fleet.

But buddy we lost one deal as France did refuse to sell us avionics as they saw more business with India and their Foreign Office have always played well.

 

[Kompromat]

We came out better.

* Got tech for KLJ-7V2
* Got four open architecture AEW&C aircrafts.
* Got 600 advanced, longer range BVRAAMs
* 4 Avionics suites are under development at PAC.
* PAC ready to produce as much as 80% JFT components.
* Possible AESA

Just like we came out better after refusing Abrams and developed Al-Khalid, the French refusal is perhaps the best thing to have happened to the Pakistani aviation industry.

When we export the jet, now we don't need to take the whingy French into account.

IAF has paid the price for playing the normal 'dehati aurat'. Now we need to keep the UAEAF M2K-9 Zombie alive so their Rafale deal is further complicated.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

We came out better.

* Got tech for KLJ-7V2
* Got four open architecture AEW&C aircrafts.
* Got 600 advanced, longer range BVRAAMs
* 4 Avionics suites are under development at PAC.
* PAC ready to produce as much as 80% JFT components.
* Possible AESA

Just like we came out better after refusing Abrams and developed Al-Khalid, the French refusal is perhaps the best thing to have happened to the Pakistani aviation industry.

When we export the jet, now we don't need to take the whingy French into account.

IAF has paid the price for playing the normal 'dehati aurat'. Now we need to keep the UAEAF M2K-9 Zombie alive so their Rafale deal is further complicated.

Sure, IAF paid the price. It seems that your world is vastly different where everything that happens to PAF is "good". Good going. Being optimistic is a good quality.

 

[Basel]

@Aeronaut PAF can still get western AESA from Salex they are now making many AESA radars Vixen 1000e or Raven ES-05 (for Gripen NG) may be easily fitted in JF-17s nose. Which one you think is better and will be easily available and what capability it will add to JF-17?? I think previous one is easy to get if we have funds.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

We came out better.

* Got tech for KLJ-7V2
* Got four open architecture AEW&C aircrafts.
* Got 600 advanced, longer range BVRAAMs
* 4 Avionics suites are under development at PAC.
* PAC ready to produce as much as 80% JFT components.
* Possible AESA

Just like we came out better after refusing Abrams and developed Al-Khalid, the French refusal is perhaps the best thing to have happened to the Pakistani aviation industry.

When we export the jet, now we don't need to take the whingy French into account.

IAF has paid the price for playing the normal 'dehati aurat'. Now we need to keep the UAEAF M2K-9 Zombie alive so their Rafale deal is further complicated.

Is that the same reason pakistan is buying junk from Jordan ?

 

[Kompromat]

@Basel

Best solution is to try and get TOT for the Chinese AESA radar. Actually as per @Oscar , the AESA is available right now, the issue is with the cooling system.

With ZDKs in service the radar issues are mitigated. What JFT needs is more stand off and HOBS weapons.

 

[Basel]

@Basel
Best solution is to try and get TOT for the Chinese AESA radar. Actually as per @Oscar , the AESA is available right now, the issue is with the cooling system.
With ZDKs in service the radar issues are mitigated. What JFT needs is more stand off and HOBS weapons.

A western AESA will be more mature and modern and Salex can be influenced via KSA to provide TOT as Salex have provided it before, Raven ES-05 will be fitted in Gripen NG which means it will be very potent system, China is developing new systems but they need them first as they are facing more hostile situation in their backyard every passing day. what is your opinion about both (Vixen 1000E & Raven ES-05 Salex radars??

 

[Kompromat]

Is that the same reason pakistan is buying junk from Jordan ?

Those ex RJAF F-16s can still shoot down 'anything' IAF flies. They carry worlds best Beyond Visual Range, Within Visual Range Missiles, Joint Helmet Mounted Ceuing System, are networked with an AESA SAAB Erieye AEW&C aircrafts and AN/TPS-77 ground based AESA radar aided command and control. All of our F-16s can share information and fight as a team. No F-16 had EVER been shot down in an actual dogfight.

IAF knows what this 'junk' can do, much better than a low esteemed internet troll.

@Basel

We would handycap the program if we involve any more suppliers. It would make it much harder for exports. The Chinese are working their nuts off to get their AESAs working. We should join that effort.

From KSA, we should rather try to broker the M2k-9 deal.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

Those ex RJAF F-16s can still shoot down 'anything' IAF flies. They carry worlds best Beyond Visual Range, Within Visual Range Missiles, Joint Helmet Mounted Ceuing System, are networked with an AESA SAAB Erieye AEW&C aircrafts and AN/TPS-77 ground based AESA radar aided command and control. All of our F-16s can share information and fight as a team. No F-16 had EVER been shot down in an actual dogfight.

IAF knows what this 'junk' can do, much better than a low esteemed internet troll.

Hello, in which delusional world you are living in. it is a known fact that this f-16 can't fire BVRAAM. they are outdated. IAF is already upgrading all the front lines of jets with the newest technology. even your f-16 block 52 can't stand a chance. let me quote the truth.

The diplomatic cables, accessed by The Hinduthrough WikiLeaks, suggested that the purpose of the sale was to divert Pakistan's attention from “the nuclear option,” and give it “time and space to employ a conventional reaction” in the event of a conflict with India (151227: confidential). Privately, however, the U.S. acknowledged the “reality” that the F-16 programme would not change India's “overwhelming air superiority over Pakistan.” In fact, the cables bluntly assert that the F-16s would be “no match for India's proposed purchase of F-18 or equivalent aircraft.”

Given India's “substantial military advantage,” one cable even surmised that the F-16s would at the most offer “a few days” for the U.S. to “mediate and prevent nuclear conflict.”

Behind the Pakistan F-16 deal, a tale of many wheels - The Hindu

actually the purchase of jordian jets shows a poor picture of jf-17

 

[WAR-rior]

It is funny to see Indians pressurising other countries not to
sell weapons to Pakistan.

Very insecure nation.

Come here when we stop Bangladeshi deals. People are fedup of Cheerleading. Now control on that.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

IAF knows what this 'junk' can do, much better than a low esteemed internet troll.

Which is why IAF rejected a better version of those F16s, to teach low esteemed internet trolls a lesson. Sadly some of them still haven't learnt it and are living in their delusional worlds.