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[Kompromat]

I doubt it,,,,decade from now is not gonna happen.
India itself will get fgfa only post 2020 when pakfa is pretty ahead of j-20 in testing and all.

And j-31 is the only one u guys can afford,,no one really knows its status

Pakistan can also go the F-35 direction which by then would have matured. The issue is the availability of funds which is harming our long term airpower prospects as if we had enough funds available, we could have simply joined the J-31 as a development partner, just like the JF-17 program while lobbying the CCP govt to allow the Chengdu to become part of the J-31 program along with SAC.

 

[Storm Force]

Pak is unable to acquire what are relatively cheap j10 from.China and only 40 in nos.

What chance acquiring much more expensive j20 in s decade.

This optimistic forecast of better econmies is based on nothing..Pakistan is showing no signs of getting out of this triangle of pak military control. western mistrust andwar on terror externally

 

[he-man]

Pakistan can also go the F-35 direction which by then would have matured. The issue is the availability of funds which is harming our long term airpower prospects as if we had enough funds available, we could have simply joined the J-31 as a development partner, just like the JF-17 program while lobbying the CCP govt to allow the Chengdu to become part of the J-31 program along with SAC.

Nope,u will never get f-35 whatever money u guys have.
Hell u won't even get f-18 now that u guys are actively participating with china on jf-17 like projects.

And please jf-17 is no jv,,,its a plane built with tot just like mki and if u manage to get j-31 some day,that too would be under tot only

But i personally believe 5 th generation is of no use for pakistan,,,its an offensive platform for sead missions and such,u guys are better off in upgrading the f-16 and jf-17 with aesas,will serve the purpose till 2025 easily.
But the problem is usa will not offer u an aesa upgrade for f-16 .............as for f-17,maybe in next block.

All in all 5 th generation is an overkill for pakistan untill its economy is at least 500 billion$.
Overkill in the sense as war is just impossible now due to nuclear factor.

U guys better allocate more funds for ur navy,i think

 

[shuntmaster]

Very interesting artcile on PAF approach for Mica and french radar intergration into block one

The Global Intelligence Files - INDIA/FRANCE/PAKISTAN/MIL- India clears Mirage upgrade deal, Paris turns down Pak news


Seems the indians pressured the french to pull the plug on this

I assumed it was financial reasons only.

Also intresting note on PL12 and the chinease fire and control; radar being too limited to exploit the missles full range

There a big thread on the UAE mirages in here and this news will hopefully give a very good counter argument on to why french weapons are not only very expensive but hard to acquire due to politics.

PAF might be better sticking with uncle sam & chinease

Good job india. The harder you work, train and plan during peacetime, the less you need to fight duribg the battletime. One way to keep yourself strong is to keep your enemy weak.

 

[Kompromat]

Nope,u will never get f-35 whatever money u guys have.
Hell u won't even get f-18 now that u guys are actively participating with china on jf-17 like projects.

And please jf-17 is no jv,,,its a plane built with tot just like mki and if u manage to get j-31 some day,that too would be under tot only

But i personally believe 5 th generation is of no use for pakistan,,,its an offensive platform for sead missions and such,u guys are better off in upgrading the f-16 and jf-17 with aesas,will serve the purpose till 2025 easily.
But the problem is usa will not offer u an aesa upgrade for f-16 .............as for f-17,maybe in next block.

All in all 5 th generation is an overkill for pakistan untill its economy is at least 500 billion$.
Overkill in the sense as war is just impossible now due to nuclear factor.

U guys better allocate more funds for ur navy,i think

As i sated earlier, all options will only be open if PAF can pay for them. By 2023, the Turkish TFX too would be in full drive mode which yet is another option for PAF. The 5th generation aircraft will become very visible by 2020 and all serious air forces would have to acquire that capability. PAF won't be left in the dark when that happens.

 

[he-man]

As i sated earlier, all options will only be open if PAF can pay for them. By 2023, the Turkish TFX too would be in full drive mode which yet is another option for PAF. The 5th generation aircraft will become very visible by 2020 and all serious air forces would have to acquire that capability. PAF won't be left in the dark when that happens.

Nope,tfx will come with all the american constraints like engines etc.
I don't think thats feasable................j-31 is the best bet.

And navy,,needs urgent attention

 

[Kompromat]

Nope,tfx will come with all the american constraints like engines etc.
I don't think thats feasable................j-31 is the best bet.

And navy,,needs urgent attention

Turkey is a NATO member and a partisan in the JSF program. It won't have an issue with the engines. Pakistan's MNNA status is likely to stick, which means we would be able to join in high tech programs started by NATO nations. TFX is as good of an option for PAF as the J-31 is, provided the funds are made available.

Pakistan's navy is and shall remain a defensive deterrent, with addition of 6 more AIP subs and 8 frigates to its existing fleet, it would maintain its role for the foreseeable future.

 

[he-man]

Turkey is a NATO member and a partisan in the JSF program. It won't have an issue with the engines. Pakistan's MNNA status is likely to stick, which means we would be able to join in high tech programs started by NATO nations. TFX is as good of an option for PAF as the J-31 is, provided the funds are made available.

Pakistan's navy is and shall remain a defensive deterrent, with addition of 6 more AIP subs and 8 frigates to its existing fleet, it would maintain its role for the foreseeable future.

Funds are a problem i agree...............

 

[TOPGUN]

Pak is unable to acquire what are relatively cheap j10 from.China and only 40 in nos.

What chance acquiring much more expensive j20 in s decade.

This optimistic forecast of better econmies is based on nothing..Pakistan is showing no signs of getting out of this triangle of pak military control. western mistrust andwar on terror externally

What makes you so certain about what Pak's future or its armed forces will be able to get or not get in the future ? crystal ball or some 2 face friends in Pak you might have telling you things that we don't even know like to fill us in ? otherwise I suggest not speaking out loud for Pakistan in sense what I will be able to do or not ... period.

 

[Luftwaffe]

China is on record many times that it will only supply military equipment to Pakistan which is inferior to Indian equipment.

People would like to hear-read your source give it or be gone lair.

@Oscar newbie members should be banned from thread telling their stories/information without any sources, also this thread is useless it was already known.