Indian pressure on France stopped Thunder Upgrade WIKI leaks Very

[nomi007]

with out french radar missiles and engines
still our jf-17 is better than many 4th gen fighters
check it
KLJ-7V2
X-band multi-functional PD radar (track 10 and engage 2 simultaneously, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2)

PL-12/SD-10The missile was expected to be in the same class as AIM-120A/B

Russian RD-93

turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan

once the engine is ready. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA.
just say to france they miss 1 billion us $

 

[HRK]

with out french radar missiles and engines
still our jf-17 is better than many 4th gen fighters
check it
KLJ-7V2
X-band multi-functional PD radar (track 10 and engage 2 simultaneously, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2)

PL-12/SD-10The missile was expected to be in the same class as AIM-120A/B

Russian RD-93

turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan

once the engine is ready. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA.
just say to france they miss 1 billion us $

just a correction .... KLJ-7 (V2) 110 KM for target size of 3m2

 

[Mav3rick]

More like 8 million deal for potentially 12 billion deal.

Perhaps your emphasis is overshadowed by the 'fact' that the 'potential' deal is still sort of 'nowhere'! That precisely means a loss of USD 8+ Billion, 5 years ago, rather then any gain 5 years on!

 

[UKBengali]

I would love to see the hysteria that will overcome the Indians when the Chinese start selling the Pakistanis technology on a par with anything that Indians can buy.

That day is very near now.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Perhaps your emphasis is overshadowed by the 'fact' that the 'potential' deal is still sort of 'nowhere'! That precisely means a loss of USD 8+ Billion, 5 years ago, rather then any gain 5 years on!

Just tell me how did you reach that magical figure of 8 billion?

I would love to see the hysteria that will overcome the Indians when the Chinese start selling the Pakistanis technology on a par with anything that Indians can buy.

That day is very near now.

Only if wishes were horses.

 

[Bilal.]

Just tell me how did you reach that magical figure of 8 billion?

From the same wikileak source:

"Earlier, one of France's leading newspapers, Le Monde had reported that the Sarkozy administration had decided to suspend sales of electronics and missiles, under the first part of a six billion euro deal signed with Islamabad, heeding an Indian request."

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

From the same wikileak source:

"Earlier, one of France's leading newspapers, Le Monde had reported that the Sarkozy administration had decided to suspend sales of electronics and missiles, under the first part of a six billion euro deal signed with Islamabad, heeding an Indian request."

The whole value of JF17 project in not 8 billion. Plus take it unit wise. If we assume that the deal was for 150 planes (current order of JF17), it sits to be 40 million Euro per piece.

 

[Kinetic]

I would love to see the hysteria that will overcome the Indians when the Chinese start selling the Pakistanis technology on a par with anything that Indians can buy.

That day is very near now.

Don't over estimate you master!!! Let China have them first!!!!

 

[UKBengali]

The whole value of JF17 project in not 8 billion. Plus take it unit wise. If we assume that the deal was for 150 planes (current order of JF17), it sits to be 40 million Euro per piece.

Each JF-17 costs 20 million dollars and so it is ridiculous to think the Pakistanis would spend 50 million dollars per plane to upgrade with French radar, electronics and missiles.

The true figure would be around 10 million dollars per plane

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Dude, use some common sense!

Each JF-17 costs 20 million dolkars and so it is ridiculous to think the Pakistanis would spend 50 million dollars per plane to upgrade with French radar, electronics and missiles.

The true figure would be around 10 million dollars per plane

Its you who is lacking common sense. I have simply used the figures from the report and divided them by total current orders for JF17. Let the person I have quoted respond. You have failed to understand the discussion.

 

[UKBengali]

Only if wishes were horses.

Keep hoping Indian.

 

[Basel]

Very interesting artcile on PAF approach for Mica and french radar intergration into block one
The Global Intelligence Files - INDIA/FRANCE/PAKISTAN/MIL- India clears Mirage upgrade deal, Paris turns down Pak news
Seems the indians pressured the french to pull the plug on this
I assumed it was financial reasons only.
Also intresting note on PL12 and the chinease fire and control; radar being too limited to exploit the missles full range
There a big thread on the UAE mirages in here and this news will hopefully give a very good counter argument on to why french weapons are not only very expensive but hard to acquire due to politics.
PAF might be better sticking with uncle sam & chinease

Thank you for confirming that, I was opposing M2K9s purchase due to that reason and some people did not accepted that France will not provide support for those as IAF's MMRCA deal is near to be finalized.

 

[UKBengali]

Its you who is lacking common sense. I have simply used the figures from the report and divided them by total current orders for JF17. Let the person I have quoted respond. You have failed to understand the discussion.

I edited my reply dude as I did not read enough posts and so agreeing with you now.

You replied too quickly.

Well at least we agree on someting for once now.

 

[Basel]

But one thing which many Indians don't understand is that Pakistan can get avionics for JF-17 from other western options as Selex Galileo is ready to sell AESA radars and have long relationship with PAF, the issue is money.

It will fits in JF-17 well.

Quote:

Vixen 1000E

Vixen 1000E is a high performance AESA radar designed for fighter/interceptor aircraft. Vixen 1000E features an innovative roll-repositionable AESA antenna to provide a full ±100º field of regard allowing maximum situational awareness and platform survivability. The Vixen 1000E builds on common modular units for a scaleable system architecture.

Unquote:

Request Rejected

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

But one thing which many Indians don't understand is that Pakistan can get avionics for JF-17 from other western options as Selex Galileo is ready to sell AESA radars and have long relationship with PAF, the issue is money.

Request Rejected

Does this company makes the radar small enough to fit JF17?