Indian Ocean not your backyard: China military tells India

[UKBengali]

Not really.They don't have a operational carrier atm,its a showpiece by and large breaking down in training exercises.If u think they will go from that to 5 carriers in 10 yrs ur deluded.
As for the cruisers they are not as big a threat as carriers or SSNs.It only takes 1 brahmos from our entire brahmos equipped fleet to take out a cruiser.We can attack them from the air from andaman with sukhois and P-8I,from undersea with submarines and from the surface.Without carrier cover and SSN cover cruiser is kaput.Cruisers are great escort ships for carriers,but they are big.costly and vulnerable also.Especially when attacked from 3 dimensions.
As for firepower ..Our destroyers have better sensors -state of the art israeli AESA,latest German Active sonar ,better anti ship missile in brahmos than theirs and better SAM in active seeker barak-8 than the old hq-9 .And kolkata also has deckspace to hold double the number of VLS cells it holds now,but not has been equipped but can easily be if needed in mid life refits.So overall i'm not realy too worried.
Simply put ,u can't do much in the IOR with surface ships alone because you will get assaulted simultaneously from air,sea and underwater by IN and IAF around andaman.Especially with the whole fleet and sukhois being armed with brahmos.No flotilla can long withstand such punishment.You need silent modern SSNs in large numbers to create problems.
Finally chinese navy simply lacks enough fleet replenishment vessels to support the kind of grand armada you visualize away from their shores.

We do not need to build as many ships as china at all.Because we will be fighting in our backyard while the chinese thousands of miles away from home.And above all we have our unsinkable carrier in andaman to relentlessly pound any chinese surface flotilla that enters IOR with hostile intentions.On top of that your assumption is based on the fact that china will continue to lead while we will stay stagnant,whereas in reality chinese economy is currently stagnating while our growth has overtaken them.



Come and enter the IOR with hostile intentions,not a single chinese ship will return.This is not philipines,your delusions of grandeur will end in humiliation before andaman.Better stay at home and worry about the samurai who you have awoken from a long sleep.

India is simply no match for China in a war. China will whip India so bad in an all-out war that India will most probable disintegrate into it's many constituent parts.

I know you Indians are nationalistic but it is really silly to think that India is any match for China. China is going head to head with US in the coming decades and countries like India better keep out of the contest if they know any better.

India's economy is exactly 9 years behind China's. China GDP was $ 2 Tr in 2005.... India's was $ 2 Tr in 2014. If you take PPP GDP, then it is even less. Given that GDP in China is slowing down @5% and India is gaining growth @ 9% and counting, it shouid take India about 15 years to reach the $13 Tr range and 20 years for $ 20 Tr. Which is where China may be too. So, the "greatness" of China over India is vastly exaggerated.

India and China have very different approach and doctrine to military strategy and defence. To say that China would be able to come all the way to IOR to wage a fight with India is a unsustainable at present and impossible in 10 years time.

You really need to learn some basic economics.

You have neither taken into account inflation or the continued growth that China will experience.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

India is simply no match for China in a war. China will whip India so bad in an all-out war that India will most probable disintegrate into it's many constituent parts.

I know you Indians are nationalistic but it is really silly to think that India is any match for China. China is going head to head with US in the coming decades and countries like India better keep out of the contest if they know any better.

Just because you say it means nothing.State facts like i did -our destroyer has better AESA radar,better sonar,better anti ship missile,better sam.We have andaman.
Couldn't contradict any of the above,so resorted to ranting..Not that i expected much from you.
China can go head to head with anyone they want,as long as they don't bother us.Do that and we will take up the US offer and complete the encirclement of china.

 

[Sid Kay]

India is simply no match for China in a war. China will whip India so bad in an all-out war that India will most probable disintegrate into it's many constituent parts.

I know you Indians are nationalistic but it is really silly to think that India is any match for China. China is going head to head with US in the coming decades and countries like India better keep out of the contest if they know any better.

There can never be an 'all out war" between two nuclear states. China can never win even a limited war with India in the IOR region. At best as it stands today, it would be a deadlock and then truce. China's military is about 2 times that of India. But it is only good to defend. There is no capability of China to win on offense. My assessment is that based on the plan's of the current Govt, it would take India about 10 years to totally remove an imbalances, including future advances by China. China will never get even close to US as it does not have the capacity for indegenous innovation....

 

[Spectre]

Just because you say it means nothing.State facts like i did -our destroyer has better AESA radar,better sonar,better anti ship missile,better sam.We have andaman.
Couldn't contradict any of the above,so resorted to ranting..Not that i expected much from you.
China can go head to head with anyone they want,as long as they don't bother us.Do that and we will take up the US offer and complete the encirclement of china.

No need, just need to cut imports from China to zero if there are any future issues as it is we don't gain anything much via trade with China. No strategic component to it.

We lowering Chinese competitiveness we ought to be doing it right now, balance of trade is seriously skewed. I don't like Chinese companies like Harbin etc supplying major billion dollar components for our privately owned power plants.

Local suppliers will go out of business in addition to strategic vulnerabilities

 

[[Bregs]]

South china sea too do not belong too china alone as its back yard

 

[Sid Kay]

You really need to learn some basic economics.

You have neither taken into account inflation or the continued growth that China will experience.

I have taken into account future Chinese Growth which would be 1/2-1/3 of that of India. Inflation is already factored in the currency exchange during $ conversion.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

The problem with the chinese is that they are biting off way more than they can chew.They want to beat japanese navy,the most sophisticated fleet in asia atm.They also want to beat USN ,the the most powerful in the world .And then then they want to beat IN in the IOR,the most regional powerful navy by far and growing .Can only be described as delusions of grandeur if they think they can pull this off.

 

[UKBengali]

I have taken into account future Chinese Growth which would be 1/2-1/3 of that of India. Inflation is already factored in the currency exchange during $ conversion.

No, India is not 9 years behind China in economy. Some common sense will tell you that.

A simple way to tell is how large is India's economy in overall global rank now compared to how China was in 2005. China was around 5th in world in 2005 and I think India is around 9th now.

Even by 2030, India is predicted to only become 3rd after overtaking Japan. After 2030, that is too far into the future to speculate.

And no way will India grow any quicker than China for next 10 years. Both will grow an average of around 7% a year. Remember over the last few decades economic forecasters have always understated Chinese GDP growth by 2-3 per cent a year. China still has room for huge growth.

 

[Luca1]

Not really.They don't have a operational carrier atm,its a showpiece by and large breaking down in training exercises.If u think they will go from that to 5 carriers in 10 yrs ur deluded.
As for the cruisers they are not as big a threat as carriers or SSNs.It only takes 1 brahmos from our entire brahmos equipped fleet to take out a cruiser.We can attack them from the air from andaman with sukhois and P-8I,from undersea with submarines and from the surface.Without carrier cover and SSN cover cruiser is kaput.Cruisers are great escort ships for carriers,but they are big.costly and vulnerable also.Especially when attacked from 3 dimensions.
As for firepower ..Our destroyers have better sensors -state of the art israeli AESA,latest German Active sonar ,better anti ship missile in brahmos than theirs and better SAM in active seeker barak-8 than the old hq-9 .And kolkata also has deckspace to hold double the number of VLS cells it holds now,but not has been equipped but can easily be if needed in mid life refits.So overall i'm not realy too worried.
Simply put ,u can't do much in the IOR with surface ships alone because you will get assaulted simultaneously from air,sea and underwater by IN and IAF around andaman.Especially with the whole fleet and sukhois being armed with brahmos.No flotilla can long withstand such punishment.You need silent modern SSNs in large numbers to create problems.
Finally chinese navy simply lacks enough fleet replenishment vessels to support the kind of grand armada you visualize away from their shores.

We do not need to build as many ships as china at all.Because we will be fighting in our backyard while the chinese thousands of miles away from home.And above all we have our unsinkable carrier in andaman to relentlessly pound any chinese surface flotilla that enters IOR with hostile intentions.On top of that your assumption is based on the fact that china will continue to lead while we will stay stagnant,whereas in reality chinese economy is currently stagnating while our growth has overtaken them.



Come and enter the IOR with hostile intentions,not a single chinese ship will return.This is not philipines,your delusions of grandeur will end in humiliation before andaman.Better stay at home and worry about the samurai who you have awoken from a long sleep.

So in another word, you write a piece claiming that USA is the master of Indian Ocean?

 

[UKBengali]

The problem with the chinese is that they are biting off way more than they can chew.They want to beat japanese navy,the most sophisticated fleet in asia atm.They also want to beat USN ,the the most powerful in the world .And then then they want to beat IN in the IOR,the most regional powerful navy by far and growing .Can only be described as delusions of grandeur if they think they can pull this off.

You forget the power that the Chinese air force and land-based missiles will bring to the equation.

China is starting to prepare for the day when they will become a rich and technologically advanced country. No country or group of countries will be able to challenge them in and around the Asian continent soon.

 

[Luca1]

No, India is not 9 years behind China in economy. Some common sense will tell you that.

A simple way to tell is how large is India's economy in overall global rank now compared to how China was in 2005. China was around 5th in world in 2005 and I think India is around 9th now.

Even by 2030, India is predicted to only become 3rd after overtaking Japan. After 2030, that is too far into the future to speculate.

And no way will India grow any quicker than China for next 10 years. Both will grow an average of around 7% a year. Remember over the last few decades economic forecasters have always understated Chinese GDP growth by 2-3 per cent a year. China still has room for huge growth.

With Vedic calculation, Indian economy will surpass the U.S. Economy next year.

You forget the power that the Chinese air force and land-based missiles will bring to the equation.

China is starting to prepare for the day when they will become a rich and technologically advanced country. No country or group of countries will be able to challenge them in and around the Asian continent soon.

Li Kwan Yao stated that no Asian countries will be able to counter China in 15 years without US assistance. He said that a few years back. Let's see if he is correct.

Indian Ocean is not India's backyard....IT IS INDIA'S FRONT YARD..... and it has been for thousands of years!!!! That is why it is called INDIAN OCEAN..... as acknowledgement of the Predominance of India both as a civilization and a nation in the region for millenia.

It's so named because of Indian subcontinent, a geographical expression.

 

[UKBengali]

Li Kwan Yao stated that no Asian countries will be able to counter China in 15 years without US assistance. He said that a few years back. Let's see if he is correct.

The question should be how long can the US act as a counterbalance in Asia? If China becomes as developed as Japan is now, then China dominates Asia at it's leisure.

 

[Luca1]

The question should be how long can the US act as a counterbalance in Asia? If China becomes as developed as Japan is now, then China dominates Asia at it's leisure.

Not if the U.S. Keep on acting as the world's policeman. We need to let others focus on not as important areas and focus on East Asia.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

You forget the power that the Chinese air force and land-based missiles will bring to the equation.

China is starting to prepare for the day when they will become a rich and technologically advanced country. No country or group of countries will be able to challenge them in and around the Asian continent soon.

Chinese air force over andman and south india?Good joke.
Ballistic missiles -short range ballistic missiles don't have the range which comprise nearly 85% of chinese ballistic missile arsenal.You start launching IRBMS and ICBMs ,its nuclear war anyway because the other side doesn't know which missile have which warheads.In any case its not like ballistic missiles in conventional role are a wonder weapon, thousands were fired in iran-iraq war,hundreds in gulf war ..didn't play any decisive role.
China can prepare all they want and do what they want in their home area,here in the indian ocean..you are a LOONG way from home .Not only can we beat the PLAN in IOR,if we are sufficiently irritated we will join usa-japan and complete the encirclement of china -sealing the fate of its ambitions.In any case time is now on our side as our economy is growing and theirs slowing.

So in another word, you write a piece claiming that USA is the master of Indian Ocean?

Is that the impression you got?USA navy is overstretched worldwide and is a freindly power in the maritime domain.They respect our interests in the IOR and thus we have no problems,as long as china does the same we won't have any problems either.Try hostility and you will be encircled.
And its a funny thing you do,in one post trying to be chinese,next post american..which is why its so hard to take you seriously.

 

[Xenophon]

uske baad kya hua woah bhi yaad ker lo......

You serve them juice . ye hua us k baad .