India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[ganesh177]

If eventually it was going to end up buying 60 off the shelves, then why wait for 10+ years for TOT and make in india ?
How are you going to repay the lost 10+ years.

This whole thing is not making any sense to me.

 

[nair]

Let us wait for Official confirmation on this.... We had enough face palm scenario on MMRCA.......

 

[KIND]

TOI reporting 40


PM Modi arrives in France, India 'mulls direct purchase of Rafale jets' - The Times of India

 

[uparyupari]

If eventually it was going to end up buying 60 off the shelves, then why wait for 10+ years for TOT and make in india ?
How are you going to repay the lost 10+ years.

This whole thing is not making any sense to me.

You can NEVER MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME.

Time once gone is gone for ever. That is why its so precious.

 

[anant_s]

Indeed, DSI is too complicated to master even the Russians can not do it. But i'm talking about blending in with the enemy


It's called strategery

True true!
can't win over them, join them!!
DSI ahoy...

 

[SrNair]

If this is correct then it would be an another wastage of our resources without any.breakthrough technology.
UPA another contribution .
What kind of idiots created this agreement .?

@sancho @SpArK

 

[Thorough Pro]

wrong, original plan/offer was for 8 manufactured in France remaining in india (at much cheaper labour). now with all (60-70) made in France (with high labour cost), price would definitely go up

No because all the Aircraft's will manufactured in France which already has an assembly line.

Although this news is just a another brainfart from the media.

 

[nair]

If this is correct then it would be an another wastage of our resources without any.breakthrough technology.
UPA another contribution .
What kind of idiots created this agreement .?

@sancho @SpArK

How you know it is UPA's fault?

 

[ptldM3]

DSI has it's own artificial intelligence, and can sees through fake, unpure DSI. [1]

Citation
[1]@Superboy

If this is true, god help us all.

 

[anant_s]

if NDA gov. sign this contract it will be the biggest blunder in the history of IAF. all these years of waiting for ToT is now gone with wind. modi's "make in india" is now is "make in france." the current gov. now saying pitty excuses by blaming previous gov. if this gov want then they can negotiate with euro fighter, they are ready to offer ToT. why this french dilemma?? if france is unwilling to provide the ToT then go for EF. but the decision of 60 rafeal with out ToT is a blunder.

Well if we look at the whole issue from IAF's point of view, picture should get clearer. When the whole thing started back in 2007, IAF would've thought of getting the machines by now (8 years wait) and unfortunately all they have is Zilch. ACM would be the least concerned person if his jets are made in India or anywhere else till he has his fighters. The negotiations have been never ending and frustrating and in this regard, it looks IAF is loosing patience by the day.
IMHO by this possible arrangement of getting 3-3.5 odd squadrons, government actually might have brought some time and it might still negotiate a deal on lines of MMRCA tender. But yes the question remains, if this is what decision makers had in mind, why today and not sometime earlier.
& yes i think a thought should've been given to Typhoon, i'm sure we would've got a much better deal there.

 

[Rank]

LOL... French resize Indians ... 126 to 60 or 40 - not fully TOT .... check em Out if if if this news is true even lol its purely pressure on the Indian military establishment that Pakistan and China is gearing up... on the other side, Indians are busy in delaying lol.... but one thing... whether 40 or 60 or 10.... Rafale is superb platform in terms of quality but reliability or battle proven test against same competitor....

 

[Bang Galore]

If eventually it was going to end up buying 60 off the shelves, then why wait for 10+ years for TOT and make in india ?
How are you going to repay the lost 10+ years.

This whole thing is not making any sense to me.

The deal had been allowed to get to this point by the previous government and then Antony wanted to do nothing with it & refused to sign. This government inherited the problem, That deal was dead because of the problems it was likely to cause in any CAG assessment and this government, especially Parrikar & Modi didn't want any of that headache. In the meantime, the Russians have probably offered some sort of a sweet deal and the government wanted to somehow get away from this budget killing monster. To do so bluntly would cause some bad blood with the French, this is probably a face saver for all concerned with the IAF too getting a part of what they wanted.

Not the ideal solution but a compromise solution.

 

[anant_s]

TOI reporting 40


PM Modi arrives in France, India 'mulls direct purchase of Rafale jets' - The Times of India

Well ToI is also quoting Gokhale's blog and i'm still trying to search an independent source. Lets wait till evening today, something sure is brewing.

The deal had been allowed to get to this point by the previous government and then Antony wanted to do nothing with it & refused to sign. This government inherited the problem, That deal was dead because of the problems it was likely to cause in any CAG assessment and this government, especially Parrikar & Modi didn't want any of that headache. In the meantime, the Russians have probably offered some sort of a sweet deal and the government wanted to somehow get away from this budget killing monster. To do so bluntly would cause some bad blood with the French, this is probably a face saver for all concerned with the IAF too getting a part of what they wanted.

Not the ideal solution but a compromise solution.

Bang on assessment.
It looks like a please all settlement (everybody gets something) and probably a chance for government to get out of the mess. Had this deal fallen through, it would've had implications on other issues and tenders as well.
& just get a feeling this was the Plan B for the government.

 

[Red Wolf]

Uncharacteristically, the french did not surrender to the Indians during negotiations.

 

[Kompromat]

So HAL is out of the game?