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Rafale deal: Antony refuses govt guarantee to France

@Guynextdoor2 please, for the love of god don't politicise this.


A guarantee or not this deal will be signed, coming from a Def Min with less than 2 months left in office would mean not a damn thing.

It has to be signed ,there is simply no turning back now
 
Looks like mighty indian economy is not what it is boasted to be, you guys in your usual delusions of grandeur have bitten more than you can chew, and like an stupid ***, Fenchies fell for the dangling carrot


And it shall be....
 
Looks like mighty indian economy is not what it is boasted to be, you guys in your usual delusions of grandeur have bitten more than you can chew, and like an stupid ***, Fenchies fell for the dangling carrot

Oh yeah we are in a shit hole right now but things are not so bad as to we cannot spend 20 billion$

No
 
Height of incompetence and stupidity.

Even if we sign contract the delivery will start in 2017 end or 2018 beginning and will go on till about 8-10 years based on 12 per year or at least 6-7 years moving till 2025

Super stupid congress
Wtf are they so concerned for a few billions when they are willing to waste 20-30 billion per year on stupid food security bill.

No offence but pilots flying bisons are under a risk imho.bullshit

We are flying what should have been retired at least 12 years ago


And then we go and pay 40 million per plane for modernization of the mirage 2000

stupidity at its peak
honestly i dont undertand the logic of MRCA.
i though india should have concentrated on Su-30,LCA may be a few migs. and then directly jumped to f-35.
f-35 may even cost less due to its increased production.

currently MRCA is going to cost nearly 150 million a piece.
yes u do get TOT but india could have gotten some tech transfer in form of f-35 too.
 
It will be signed for sure and quickly(its already late) and with a hard bargain.

Can somebody through some light about the cost with life cycle and without life cycle. Our future FM Yashobant Sinha said that there is corruption with regard to cost with life cycle means.


@Abingdonboy @Guynextdoor2
 
@Guynextdoor2 please, for the love of god don't politicise this.


A guarantee or not this deal will be signed, coming from a Def Min with less than 2 months left in office would mean not a damn thing.

I'm only reporting the fact....Subramainia Swamy has led a campaign on this

Geofinancial: Sonia Gandhi Has Rigged M-MRCA Deal for French Fighter Rafale, since the French are well known for paying Bribes....

He also has a facebook page on the same

Halt purchase of Dassault Rafale fighter... - Dr. Subramanian Swamy | Facebook
 
It will be signed for sure and quickly(its already late) and with a hard bargain.
Can somebody through some light about the cost with life cycle and without life cycle. Our future FM Yashobant Sinha said that there is corruption with regard to cost with life cycle means.

@Abingdonboy @Guynextdoor2

Per Unit manufacturing/ Sales cost- kind of like Buying a car. You pay for the car, you get 2 services and stuff as a part of the deal. So a VW Polo costs 7.5 Lcs and so does Hyundai 120

Life Cycle- You own the car for 8 years. If you calculate the entire amount that you will spend on it for 8 years, that's your :LC cost. Hyundai gives more mileage so you'll spend less on fuel, If you bang it, Hyundai spares will be a lot cheaper than polo. A bumper might cost 6000 in Hyundai but 8000 for VW.

Threre are many expenses that you need on that fighter jet you're gonna buy- maintainence, spares, at least one mid-life engine replacement, etc. It is very possble that EFT is 20% cheaper but they make much more money by making the spares and other services up 30%. That's why Lifecycle costs are so much more a representation of actual costs.

Interesting fact in this context- did you know that during a typical 'gold rush', the gold prospectors are rarely as rich as the people who provide materials for them- canvas tents, shoes, spades etc. That's why Levis has been cranking out profits more regularly and consistently than many mining companies over the centuries...:coffee:
 
honestly i dont undertand the logic of MRCA.
i though india should have concentrated on Su-30,LCA may be a few migs. and then directly jumped to f-35.
f-35 may even cost less due to its increased production.

currently MRCA is going to cost nearly 150 million a piece.
yes u do get TOT but india could have gotten some tech transfer in form of f-35 too.

F-35 sucks man

Usa is manufacturing about 1800 of these so it dosen't matter

But in small numbers its a flying potato
 
If the deal is signed then what is the need for guarantees? Any incoming government will be bound by the signed deal. Is the French not making a drama of this unnecessarily ?
 
Per Unit manufacturing/ Sales cost- kind of like Buying a car. You pay for the car, you get 2 services and stuff as a part of the deal. So a VW Polo costs 7.5 Lcs and so does Hyundai 120

Life Cycle- You own the car for 8 years. If you calculate the entire amount that you will spend on it for 8 years, that's your :LC cost. Hyundai gives more mileage so you'll spend less on fuel, If you bang it, Hyundai spares will be a lot cheaper than polo. A bumper might cost 6000 in Hyundai but 8000 for VW.

Threre are many expenses that you need on that fighter jet you're gonna buy- maintainence, spares, at least one mid-life engine replacement, etc. It is very possble that EFT is 20% cheaper but they make much more money by making the spares and other services up 30%. That's why Lifecycle costs are so much more a representation of actual costs.

Interesting fact in this context- did you know that during a typical 'gold rush', the gold prospectors are rarely as rich as the people who provide materials for them- canvas tents, shoes, spades etc. That's why Levis has been cranking out profits more regularly and consistently than many mining companies over the centuries...:coffee:

So, personaly do you think the chances of corruption is more in case of contract "with life cycle cost"?
 
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