India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[SpArK]

News put up by some guy called nithin gokhale..

Not buying it.

 

[ito]

might as well of bought the F-35 then

or 126+ super hornets/growlers with TOT

Seems with PAK FA moving no where, India may have to go for F-35s. Anyway there are plan to equip the second Air Craft career being built in India with F-35s

 

[hkdas]

Well if we look at the whole issue from IAF's point of view, picture should get clearer. When the whole thing started back in 2007, IAF would've thought of getting the machines by now (8 years wait) and unfortunately all they have is Zilch. ACM would be the least concerned person if his jets are made in India or anywhere else till he has his fighters. The negotiations have been never ending and frustrating and in this regard, it looks IAF is loosing patience by the day.
IMHO by this possible arrangement of getting 3-3.5 odd squadrons, government actually might have brought some time and it might still negotiate a deal on lines of MMRCA tender. But yes the question remains, if this is what decision makers had in mind, why today and not sometime earlier.
& yes i think a thought should've been given to Typhoon, i'm sure we would've got a much better deal there.

dassault was ready to partner with a privet indian company and they also guarantee the quality if they built some parts of the jet with some indian privet company, it was MoD which rejected this and they said that they cannot divert from orginal conditions. and now they are building the jet in France. if MoD agrees with the dassaut to joint manufacture of rafeal in india with a privet company, it will be a great beneficial for indian companies.

LOL... French resize Indians ... 126 to 60 or 40 - not fully TOT .... check em Out if if if this news is true even lol its purely pressure on the Indian military establishment that Pakistan and China is gearing up... on the other side, Indians are busy in delaying lol.... but one thing... whether 40 or 60 or 10.... Rafale is superb platform in terms of quality but reliability or battle proven test against same competitor....

what pakistan have to challenge india in air combat?? your toy Jf-17?? jf-17 are inferior or same as Hal tajes. yes, china have a serious advantage over indian air force,

 

[ravinderpalrulez]

@livefist
FLASH:Top sources confirm: India & France to announce brand-new deal for 3 squadrons (60-63 aircraft) of @Dassault_OnAir Rafale for the IAF.

 

[SrNair]

Because they were the rulers during last 10 years.They couldnt find excellent technocrats from pur bureacracy .French is playing with the loopholes in that agreements.
Ball was in our court until those Egyptian deal.
Now they have space and we dont have that.
Present govt dont have any choice with these ever decreasing squadrons.
Even in this case it will cause 10 billion $.One hell of policy paralysis and it played very well.
In an economic perspective we will save billions of $ but we dont get any technology.

How you know it is UPA's fault?

 

[SpArK]

A Government to Government deal will be good at this point.

• It will further reduce prices as negotiations will be based on L1 price.
• There will be ToT assurance from French government itself.
• No issues of messup from HAL.
• Hidden deals beneficial for LCA-Mk2.
• Purchase of the latest.
• French hopeful for further orders in future will comply with most of our demands.

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

As of now this news is looking like farce

Why Madface??

I would say that zero rafales are better than 60 with no ToT.

A Government to Government deal will be good at this point.

• It will further reduce prices as negotiations will be based on L1 price.
• There will be ToT assurance from French government itself.
• No issues of messup from HAL.
• Hidden deals beneficial for LCA-Mk2.
• Purchase of the latest.
• French hopeful for further orders in future will comply with most of our demands.

It would be good only if some of rafales are made in India and we get same ToT as before, something which seem unlikely with order of just 63 aircrafts.

 

[SpArK]

It would be good only if some of rafales are made in India and we get same ToT as before, something which seem unlikely with order of just 63 aircrafts.

If the news is correct, then ToT will be surely there .

No need to assume stuff based on ur political affiliations.

 

[Archie]

So HAL is out of the game?

It seems so.
France can deliver 60-63 Aircrafts in 5 years, compared to HAL which would take 8-9 years to deliver 60 aircrafts.

Our Sqds strength is going to fall to 28 Sqds by 2020 unless another fighter jet is ordered. These Rafales will ensure that Fighter Strength doesnot fall below the critical threshold of 650 Aircrafts
The price is estimated to be at 9 Billion USD for 63 Fighters without TOT, but including maintenence, training and spares for 10 year warranty period. add another 2 Billion USD for the weapons package.
The figure is still less than half the 25 Billion USD quoted by Dassault for 126 Aircrafts with TOT and everything else

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Livefist (@livefist) on Twitter

Livefist
@ livefist 22m
FLASH:Top sources confirm: India &
France to announce brand-new deal
for 3 squadrons (60-63 aircraft) of
@Dassault_OnAir Rafale for the IAF.

@SuperSubrayan my sincere appologies..

 

[deckingraj]

if NDA gov. sign this contract it will be the biggest blunder in the history of IAF. all these years of waiting for ToT is now gone with wind. modi's "make in india" is now is "make in france." the current gov. now saying pitty excuses by blaming previous gov. if this gov want then they can negotiate with euro fighter, they are ready to offer ToT. why this french dilemma?? if france is unwilling to provide the ToT then go for EF. but the decision of 60 rafeal with out ToT is a blunder.

You need to look at things from holistic perspective... Just imagine since when we are talking about MMRCA....8 years have passed and so far nothing concrete on the table...In its extensive trials Rafael came out to be a clear winner...so it ideally makes sense that IAF get its hands on Rafael...Even if you ignore that and start negotiating on Eurofighter then it will take another 2-3 years before things are thrashed out...because TOT is an absolute must(in that case as well), no?? Thereafter the work on delivery will start...So add another 5 years before IAF gets its first few Eurofighters....Imagine what will happen to our squadron strength by then??

In short apart from Rafael there is no other option...however if we go by what news is suggesting then may be we will get some breather on re-negotiation of TOT for remaining jets....

 

[ito]

It seems so.
France can deliver 60-63 Aircrafts in 5 years, compared to HAL which would take 8-9 years to deliver 60 aircrafts.

Our Sqds strength is going to fall to 28 Sqds by 2020 unless another fighter jet is ordered. These Rafales will ensure that Fighter Strength doesnot fall below the critical threshold of 650 Aircrafts
The price is estimated to be at 9 Billion USD for 63 Fighters without TOT, but including maintenence, training and spares for 10 year warranty period. add another 2 Billion USD for the weapons package.
The figure is still less than half the 25 Billion USD quoted by Dassault for 126 Aircrafts with TOT and everything else

These are all speculations. Unless it is official, we cannot say anything

 

[uparyupari]

Why Madface??

I would say that zero rafales are better than 60 with no ToT.

It would be good only if some of rafales are made in India and we get same ToT as before, something which seem unlikely with order of just 63 aircrafts.

Not if the cost of ToT is REMOVED from the cost of purchasing those Rafale.

Then its just the cost of buying Rafale for the IAF.

 

[hkdas]

Because they were the rulers during last 10 years.They couldnt find excellent technocrats from pur bureacracy .French is playing with the loopholes in that agreements.
Ball was in our court until those Egyptian deal.
Now they have space and we dont have that.
Present govt dont have any choice with these ever decreasing squadrons.
Even in this case it will cause 10 billion $.One hell of policy paralysis and it played very well.
In an economic perspective we will save billions of $ but we dont get any technology.

ball is still in our court. if french don't agree with india then we should go for EF or super hornet.

 

[Pichkari]

This is called a surgical decision.
Had it been the previous gov. the deal would have been scrapped and antony would have then just sat there knowing not what to do.

This also sets a good precedence.How often have we heard of the country spending far more than planned in defence acquisitions.Some kind of discipline is needed.We are not a rich nation.

Use that money for our own defence industry and projects.
Benefits will only be visible later