India to build ‘eyes in the sky’ to match Pakistan, China

[anant_s]

India is placing order for 2 more phalcon AWACS from Israel.

These will be on IL 76 or a new platform?

 

[Dash]

These will be on IL 76 or a new platform?

Airbus 330

 

[anant_s]

To be fair sir, the EL/W-2090 Phalcon AWACS is incredibly powerful and perhaps the finest AWACS in service anywhere in the world and holds a considerable edge on the Erieye (that the IAF's ERJ-145 is much more comparable with) and ZDK-03. The only issue is the colossal cost of this system making it cost prohibitive even for the IAF.

The cost issue is genuine and it will definitely be impossible to induct Phalcons in large numbers given budget. However, do you think there could be a possibility of mating this radar and electronic system with A 330 instead of IL 76/A-50 system. Also if India & Israel can work out indigenous production of this package and given large number of A 330 India is hoping to induct (both in Electronic surveillance and tanker role), there could actually be a chance to reduce the overall cost.
Also how many AWACS do you believe India requires considering long term threat in east and western theaters?

 

[kaykay]

IAF is in approval of buying 5 additional DRDO AEW&C( apart from first 3) that will make eventually 8 DRDO AEW&C and 6 large AWACS based on A-330. While atleast 2 more phalcons. Thats 19 AEW&C+ AWACS in total once all delivered.

 

[GORKHALI]

What do you mean much more powerful? Both are competent systems, with the Phalcon having a slight edge. This isn't Pokemon.....
Yes, Pakistan imported both. Now it has greater than needed coverage for its landmass.

Slight Edge really ? EL/W-2090 based awacs are one of the best awacs available according to federation of american scientists.

 

[Raje amar]

how is pakistan well ahead of indian in this?? IAF phalcone is much powerful than any pakistani AEWAC. india is building the AEWAC ingeniously, while pakistani si importing one.

Simply because Pakistan has its need fulfilled and India is yet to get the whole area covered.
Though I personally believe that India can easily do so by the combination of the high and low end configuration.
Say close to 10 high end platform (Phalcon type ) with 15 or so low end ( Enbrald based) that will be a win win situation for indegenous development.

 

[SecularNationalist]

No doubt currently Pakistan is well ahead in this area as well as in the drone manufacturing technology.

 

[Dadagiri]

one of these days you people will realize that a weapon doesnt need to be built locally in order to hurt enemy.

This is correct unfortunately , reminded me of a famous quote.
European merchants supply the best weaponry, contributing to their own defeat - Saladin

 

[Razia Sultana]

The eventual plan is to induct eight such aircraft under the “Awacs-India” project since both China and Pakistan are well ahead of India in this critical area in modern-day warfare, Times of India said on Sunday.

India to build ‘eyes in the sky’ to match Pakistan, China | Pakistan Today

Its very disheartening to know that we have still to match Pakistan in some area of defence.

 

[Omega007]

how u know?

It's quite elementary,ain't it??The Saab Erieye is an older generation system compared to the Elta El/M 2090 and the ERJ 145!!So it's more than likely the electronics on board the later mentioned systems would be more advanced than the former!!Nothing too complicated to comprehend.And as for ZDK 03,one can't compare it to the rest of the three systems since the radar on the ZDK 03 is of a full generation behind!!

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

India's ambitions are big. You cant compare Pakistan with a country like India. In next 10 years picture will be different. India's ambitions in defence and economy is matching with China and US. So how you can compare it with a instable county like Pakistan? India's currunt AWACS are enough to beat Pakistan. But question is " is this enough for china" ?? Answer is no. Because china - India border is long .

 

[Dadagiri]

India's ambitions are big. You cant compare Pakistan with a country like India. In next 10 years picture will be different. India's ambitions in defence and economy is matching with China and US. So how you can compare it with a instable county like Pakistan? India's currunt AWACS are enough to beat Pakistan. But question is " is this enough for china" ?? Answer is no. Because china - India border is long .

You can bet on this at least till 2019 with GDP growth at 7 + % and constant increase in defense spending we will be miles ahead of Pakistan.
2019 Elections will be defining one if BJP looses power will be Doom for national security / economy.

 

[Tshering22]

how is pakistan well ahead of indian in this?? IAF phalcone is much powerful than any pakistani AEWAC. india is building the AEWAC ingeniously, while pakistani si importing one.

That's a way of saying 'give us more funds'.

They have recently bought the ZDK-03 AEW&S and are looking to acquire the long range AWACS KJ-2000 from China.

For a nation embroiled in serious internal chaos, multiple centres of power, domestic terror attacks, energy and power crisis and weak economy, these plans are really ambitious and impressive.

Considering that, we should have already had these things.

You can bet on this at least till 2019 with GDP growth at 7 + % and constant increase in defense spending we will be miles ahead of Pakistan.
2019 Elections will be defining one if BJP looses power will be Doom for national security / economy.

People who have opened their eyes should raise this awareness and spread the word of good things being done by the government not just defence but also the different economy-based bills that the government has passed.

Last time despite Vajpayee ji's superb infrastructure work in the country, idiotic fellow Indians made him lose. And then we all know what had happened.

 

[deckingraj]

one of these days you people will realize that a weapon doesnt need to be built locally in order to hurt enemy.

Agreed...however we need to see from a holistic perspective as well...we are the world's largest importer of weapons...such a tag is not something to boast about....from Pakistan perspective it totally makes sense because as of now their main Aim is to make the cost of any adventure by India unbearable...India on the other hand is looking to play a bigger role then that...to accomplish it we need a workable homegrown defense industry...so in short stress on make in India makes sense in our perspective....

Last time despite Vajpayee ji's superb infrastructure work in the country, idiotic fellow Indians made him lose. And then we all know what had happened.

bcoz they did not doll out freebies...however they also failed to create enough jobs which will help poor meet its ends...results are in front of us....Anyhow the way Political parties are creating negative sentiments as per this Land Acquisition bill then BJP can simply forget Bihar elections....they seriously need to counter this bs propaganda by some idiotic parties hell bent on hurting India...

 

[OrionHunter]

China so far has 5 KJ-2000 AWACs and 11 KJ-200 AWACS. It is just inducting the KJ-500 AWACs and we should see at least 12 of these come on-line before the end of this decade.

In comparison India has 3 Phalcon AWACs and is yet to induct the indigenous Embraer based AWACs.

Talking out of your snoot as usual, my friend? Are you aware of China's threat perceptions? Do you know who their potential adversaries are? Are you aware of the huge area they have to keep an eye on - the areas of interest and areas of influence?

China needs to cover the entire South China Sea, Japan, Vietnam, half a dozen littoral countries, Tibet and mainland China. So how many AWACs would they need? Much more than what they've got!