India’s aircraft carrier ambitions take a dive

[Roybot]

It is the nature of big projects like this to go over budget and be delayed, it is not unique to India. It is true one must not make excuses for it not should one become accustomed to it and not aim for to achieve hight standards but one must understand ground realites and be reasonable. I'm sure the 2015 timeline was given without factoring unforeseen delays that have striken the project like low-quality steel issues and other sourcing issues. The fact is lessons will be learned and follow-on projects will be built on these lessons and will be made quicker and better- same goes for all such projects like Arjun and LCA. Everyone has to start somewhere and a delay of a few years leading to total build time of 8-9 years isn't bad for a project as ambitious as this one/

This is what I mean, its just poor planning. You'd think that a project as big as this would have couple of contingency plans for each procurement/stage of the project.

They make it look like its grocery shopping, couldn't find something in one shop and ok no worries we ll go around looking for the stuff in other shops. Who gives a shyte about the deadline. With such "competence" we will obviously miss deadlines.

Ditto with the scorpene sub project in MDL. Project management and Indian bureaucrats are north and south poles.

 

[KRAIT]

This is what I mean, its just poor planning. You'd think that a project as big as this would have couple of contingency plans for each procurement/stage of the project.

They make it look like its grocery shopping, couldn't find something in one shop and ok no werries we ll go around looking for the stuff in other shops. Who gives a shyte about the deadline. With such "competence" we will obviously miss deadlines.

Ditto with the scorpene sub project in MDL. Project management and Indian bureaucrats are north and south poles.

Bingo, contingency plan and coordinated approach at each level is the need of the hour, don't know when it will get embedded in our projects.

I remember in my research days, we used to have brainstorming session, where a problem was discussed, factors were noted down, model was constructed and work was disctributed according to expertise of each individual...that way the results were way better than doing it all alone ad meeting after a week and looking at the problem AGAIN.

 

[anti-hero]

Remove reservation in IITs IIMs and IIST(if there is), IISC, DRDO and its laboratories and other critical organizations. Only merit based not caste based with scholarship to backward castes....

Yeah reservation is the new caste system .But that is a discussion for another day.

 

[Nair saab]

We Seriously Need a National integration a Goal Must be Set By the PM & He Should announce it Publicly on TV in its Regards ...

Today the Average Citizen of the Country doesnt know how to Co-ordinate with the Government ... whats the Future Planning of the Government about there welfare , Safety & Finally the Aim of the Nation in Next 10 years... if we Failed at Some Place we Should let it know to the Common man...

Transparency on what we r Planning for the Future ... Today India is like a Mess... no one knows who is Doing what ...

Stop the Bull&hit Exam called IAS... u cant administer a state , a District or a Organization by Just Passing a Examination ...

People Should be More demanding when it Comes to development & Future of the Country...

At present People of India is Just Concerned about Price rise , Oil price , Vegetable price , personal salary , rent etc... they not Concerned about the nations Development ... they always wanna have there Space reserved in there Comfort Zone... they even Justify the failure of the Government equating US with failed Third world Countries ...

In Short Common man Should be Updated & related about the Development of the nation ... He must be More demanding in Things apart from price rise ... then only India can Go Further... or Our Road ends here ...

Offcorse Kick the Gandis out of Power as well as from the Congress ... i see no fault in Congress if once the Hitler gandis r removed from it...

 

[KRAIT]

I think you don't know about IAS, exam is just part of it, the one who takes the interview can know all about anyone in one day than their gf/spouse can do in a year.

If you want to develop nation, start at home, pay taxes on time, don't take reservation if you are economically capable, don't pay corrupt officers, not even traffic policemen, keep your streets clean change the habits....vote in every election with proper research on each candidate.....list goes on...if one man do it alone and inspire one more, problem will be solved in a decade...but alas its damn hard to do than to say.

No offence.

 

[kawaraj]

I am sorry to hear this.

 

[Archie]

UPA jai Ho... Sonia Gandhi Jai Ho... Ak Antony Jai Ho... Chup Chap Singh jai hoo...

When all 4 of them r present the Only thing that can be expected is Delay But a Guaranteed Cost Escalation ...

It was the NDA government which sanctioned Rs 3216 Crore for IAC 1
Their is no way in hell that you can get a 40000 Ton carrier for less than the cost of a 7000 Ton destroyer
Most of the projects cleared by NDA have undergone massive price escalation
For instance 3 Shivalik class frigates were projected at 3800 Crore , but they end up costing 8300 Crore
3 Kolkata class destroyer were estimated at 8900 crore but end up costing 11600 crore ,
4 Kamorta class Corvette were estimated at 2600 Crore , but will cost 3400 crore
6 Scorpene class subs were estimated at 18000 crore , but will cost 23000 crore

 

[SamantK]

Another delay, another project.. has it not become a norm in India? one or two project delays is understood but delays in everything is hurting us badly and just because of the deadlines, due to which all the future capabilities/plans are put to risk..

Now if the planners were more ground to earth in their attitude and expecting the same from our MoD, a contingency plan should have been in place, i.e instead of laying the keel in 2009 it should have been done in 2006.. so that a fair amount of delay is taken into account..

Now what happens is an old beast is kept in service(INS Viraat) and our preparedness will definitely suffer.. good job the planners of our most important projects.. common sense it seems is not very common even in the top jobs..

 

[KRAIT]

Another delay, another project.. has it not become a norm in India? one or two project delays is understood but delays in everything is hurting us badly and just because of the deadlines, due to which all the future capabilities/plans are put to risk..

Now if the planners were more ground to earth in their attitude and expecting the same from our MoD, a contingency plan should have been in place, i.e instead of laying the keel in 2009 it should have been done in 2006.. so that a fair amount of delay is taken into account..

Now what happens is an old beast is kept in service(INS Viraat) and our preparedness will definitely suffer.. good job the planners of our most important projects.. common sense it seems is not very common even in the top jobs..

Actually we have to develop fast and at the same time keep up with capabilities the other countries have. They already have experience or edge at technological level. So its bound to happen.

Only way to reduce the difference considering today's threat perception, is to aim way higher even if it hits delays and costs more. As we gain experience, we will refine our process there will be less delays and errors and mass production will certainly reduce the cost.

 

[Devianz]

IAC, whose keel was laid in February 2009, was to be 'launched' with a weight of around 25,000 tonnes by October 2010. But that is yet to happen. Prematurely floated out of the dry dock last December due to delays in gear boxes and other systems, IAC is just about 14,000 tonnes at present,'' he said.

Keel laying to launching in about 1.5 yrs? What are they talking about, can someone tell me how much time it took from keel laying to launching for our Shivaliks and Kolkata Class?
How can you blame CSL for delays in gears and other systems? They don't make them in house. It's not that they have taken up something beyond their capabilities, they have previously built 95000 tons DWT vessels though building an IAC is totally different matter.

 

[SamantK]

Actually we have to develop fast and at the same time keep up with capabilities the other countries have. They already have experience or edge at technological level. So its bound to happen.

Only way to reduce the difference considering today's threat perception, is to aim way higher even if it hits delays and costs more. As we gain experience, we will refine our process there will be less delays and errors and mass production will certainly reduce the cost.

What is bound to happen?


Aiming higher does not mean delays, India could have said that IAC will only be operational by 2020, and based its planning on that. Why base our planning for threat scenarios based on an ambitious project - with unrealistic deadlines?

 

[WUDA]

Most of IIT's student are not at all interested in engineering .... They just want to finish there B.techs so that they can prepare and get enrolled in IIMs .....only less than 15% of them do masters degree(in IIT itself).....only IISc is truly research oriented (but capacity wise not so much) .....if look at the engineering pool which have masters or research degree ,it would be very dismal ....major projects are bound to delay ...because technology change day by day ...so we need to be most up to date ...and that we can only do when we have a very large research pool .....how many shipyards do we have which can take a project like aircraft carrier ... Sadly the one which is currently building is the only one in this country ....we need competition in our research institutes ...why can't there be two teams competing with each other ...for same project ....

 

[Ambitious.Asian]

I am sorry to hear this.

Don't Feel Sorry,,,it was Expected one from DEFENCE MINISTRY Loosers.

 

[Nair saab]

It was the NDA government which sanctioned Rs 3216 Crore for IAC 1
Their is no way in hell that you can get a 40000 Ton carrier for less than the cost of a 7000 Ton destroyer
Most of the projects cleared by NDA have undergone massive price escalation
For instance 3 Shivalik class frigates were projected at 3800 Crore , but they end up costing 8300 Crore
3 Kolkata class destroyer were estimated at 8900 crore but end up costing 11600 crore ,
4 Kamorta class Corvette were estimated at 2600 Crore , but will cost 3400 crore
6 Scorpene class subs were estimated at 18000 crore , but will cost 23000 crore

for 1st part Link Plzzz... for rest part it means NDA was with proper planning so they planned it in less amount but UPA Came & Gave a Escalation of Wopping 200% + Delays...

Pakistan has Mr.10% But India has Mrs. 200%

 

[cirr]

Apart from the usual and expected mismanagement and all that， has it occured to anyone that the whole programme might have run into a multitude of technical difficulties？Leaving aside delays in gear boxes and other sub-systems，the shipyard in question could be having serious problems with putting together the structure itself。India is not a shipbuilding power，a fact that is evident from a glance of its poorly-equipped yards。India will need big help from outside and mighty luck to pull this off before 2022， and for actual commision，2025 is the deadline one should work for。