@Serpentine.
I think I already covered Irans relations with Indus region of what is now Pakistan go back from begining of time. We are neighbours so it should not be of surprise. You will find no other none Iranic country as heavily influenced by Persia/Iran than the peoples of Pakistan be they Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi or Pashtun. These ethnic groups make 93% of Pakistan. People make countries, Names come and go but the people remain the same. I gave example of the famous boxer Cassius Clay who later become Mohammed Ali. Both were the same person but differant names along the timeline.
Iran-Pakistan. The past, now and future.
In the same way I have been reading Persian history. Just as a intro I am using Encyclopedia Iranica. Although chief editor is Iranian I find it too Eurocentrist but still it is damn site more partial then Wikipedia articles that relate to Pakistan. I call it Indipedia. It is like a getting referance on Iran from a Isreali.
It is clear as daylight that Maka, Gandara ( which was based around Taxila near Pakistan's present capital ) or Hendus ( Sindh province ) are in fact in the Indus basin of what is now Pakistan. Anyway one of the biggest divergence we have in South Asia and which led to the partition of 1947 was that the Muslim's had significant amount of cultral accretations primarily from the Persian world. In fact conversion to Islam was mostly through Persian speaking Sufi preachers whose shrines are found all over Pakistan.
At heart of this divergence was the pull toward Persian cultral accretions or in opposite direction toward Hindu. At a practical level what did this mean? Well the Muslim's increased their hold onto Persian language, Persian culture. To the Hindu it was reverse. Purge anything Persian. This divergence led to Urdu/Hindi divide. What is the differance in these languages. Simple. Urdu means more Perso/Arabic words and Hindi means purge them like poison.
Despite the two faced Indian policy any observer can see this. If you go to any Western forum or in the West you will see Indian's busy spreading poison about Islam. I am not religious. In fact I am ardent secularist but I don't like it when people just bash Islam to suck up to the West or Isreal. The common theme with Indian's is when Islam arrived in India ( don't forget Islam came with culture, language which was Persian ) they regard it as the worst thing that ever happened to them. hey will shed tears with Westerners and Isreali's how they got fcuked by these horrible "Muslims". Had they not come India would have another Japan. Even today inside India there is a strong Hindutwa lobby that wants to wipe out the Muslims and their culture and you know what that culture is.
It is for this reason that the fathers of Pakistan movement leaned so heavily to Persia and Persian culture. Sir Allama Iqbal the idealogue of Pakistan idea wrote many books in Persian. Upto 1970s culture meant Persian. This is the reality. I find it amazing how Indian's in other places will mock Pakistani's for having foreign culture or invaders genes in this case meaning Persian but then conversly here they suddenly become honourable Iranians. On other forums they are busy spreading hate against the Muslims and joining in with the Zionist Jews indeed they take pride from it. Apparently the Western world is under threat from the Muslim world and India is also under threat because Muslims have too many babies.
I am not kidding here. The Indian's have pumped out more babies than any other peoples barring the Chinese and than they have the gall and temerity to complain about being swamped by Muslims. Can you belive that? Their population has more zeros than I can count 1,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 yet apparently they are going to get swamped.
Anyway you know where I stand. I have enormous respect for Iran. The reason is simple. Persia gave my part of te world eveything that our neighbour does not have. The major differance between Pakistan and India is the amount of Persian cultural accretion we have had. From clothes, to food, to language the thing that separates us is Persian high culture. My dad laughs that before the Persians came nobody in Asia knew what sewing was. That is why Indians wear those wrap around Sareees.
Now I am not going to hide the fact I don't like India. I am gonna speak my mind. I don't like it not because so much as religion.
No sir. The reason is all the things I don't like about Pakistan India has it
1,0000 times more. More
dirt, more
filth, more
semi naked people, more people
sleeping on the streets,
more crap on the pavements, more
uglines, more
emaciated bone poverty than you can even imagine. This is the ugly truth that all Indian's hide. They create fraud to cover this up and present a false image. I give examples.
The country you call India has never existed. The British made it. The Persians named it. The Persians even gave their religion a name Hinduism. Nobody even knows what Hinduism is. The name is only 400 years old. It is like I give use the term "Africanism" and lump everything in Africa into one religin.
India has no history worth speaking of. Most of it is myth. In fact Indians milch everything from Indus region. Check out their fascination for our land. They
hate Pakistani's but they cannot talk about "Mother India" without raping Indus basin. Take away Indus basin and "Indic" will exist no more. The so called Indian civilization is in fact 90% Indus basin. The degree to which the fraud goes to is even geography is changed. Ganges basin becomes Indo-Ganges. Why Indo for? Can't you live without Indus? The reason is without Indus basin they are just left with jungles and savages.
This fraud even extends to Bollywood. Ever seen the movies? In all countries movie people tend to be selective cream. However most Hollywood people t least bear some resemblance to Americans. Ditto French movies. Ditto Chinese Movies. Now try Bollywood. Those actors/actress they use are either people of Persian extraction, Pashtun extraction or people from what is now Pakistan. My brother jokes that the Indian's collected a swab of genes in a test tube and they have been replocating them over and over again. Those 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% of India is then used 99.99% on the movies. Everybody knows this. You can tell by te common surnames. The point what Bolywood shows has nothing, I mean nothing relevant to what average Indians look like.
If anybody thinks I am being racist. Sorry go check for yourself. In fact I am not surprised in India there has not been a major demonstration about this selective racism. This fraud contiues on all fronts. History is purged from Indus basin to hide their own jungliness. Persian/Pashtun/Punjabi are culled to fill majority of Bollywood. Clothes are borrowe from Pashtun/Punjabi as in Shalwar Kameez otherwise they would just have strip of cloth called Saree as can be seen in all old photographs of Indira Gandhi and their revered half naked Gandhi. Food? No problem apparently Indians invented Chicken and Balti ghosht and are fully paid up meat eaters. This is the impression they gave in the West.
In short in front of the world their civilization began in Indus basin ( read Pakistan ). they have had relation with Iran from begining of time ( read Pakistan ) they codified language ( Panini - Pakistan ) they gave birth to great Indo-Greek civilzation ( read Pakistan ) they gave the world great architecture ( Taj Mahal read Persian ) they gave the world great food Chicken and Ghosht Balti, pilau ( read Persian or Pakistan ) they apparently always wore sewn clothes ( read Shalwar Kameez ) and lets for now forget about the Saree which today is only found in jungles of India. They have beauty in abundance ( check out test tube Bollywood ) in other words everything that
90% of Indian are
NOT.
Anyway back to the subject of Iran and relations. I think nothing is going to change anytime soon. I confess I don't like your Mullahs. I don't like our Mullahs. Both have gained in strength since 1979 and you see the result. Our relatiuons should Pak/Iran instead they have become clothed in religion. Sunni/Shia. I don't think this is going to change anytime soon in Pakistan or Iran. Until than we will have retards on both sides. However things will change just like they did for France and Germany. Look at them today.
On the subject of languages have you ever seen this map. THe same language group extends from eastern Turkey ) Kurds ) to centre of Pakistan and north to Tajikistan.
On the subject Of Indian or Pakistani the truth is their no such thing as that ethnic group, or language group. Both are composites.
Pakistan - the country is built around Punjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi and Baloch.
India is: Bengali, Tamil, Gujrati, Telangana, Mahratta, Orrisan, Malaylam and dozens more that you can look at. You need to see the India as it is not the fraud that media has created. As regards povery frankly Afghanistan is better in my mind than India. You won't see as much "Bone poverty". The truth is when you have 1,270,000, 000 people only slightly second to China the aggregate figures can appear dazzling.
If you came to Pakistan from Iran you would be disturbed about the poverty and general mess of the place. You go to India and you will beg to get out.
Anyway for now I wish Iran the best. I support Pak 100% with China. Not because I think they are better. I support that because I strongly believe that at a strategic level our interests will be served better. I believe Pakistan needs to move way from USA. The American/Isreal combine is moving toward India.
And trust me Iran is going to have to decide where to go. Isolation is fine if you have oil because it can always see you through hard times but the fact is Iran needs to tap into the world trading order. Had you not gone down the isolation route in 1979 today Iran would have been the a France on the Persian Gulf.
