India an union not a nation, I am not Indan, remark by Tamil activist gets sacked by MoD

[Joe Shearer]

No objection at all.

I got what @Republic was saying.

Then I'll stay out of it. I hope you both give each other the benefit of the doubt; from a third party's standpoint, it is quite clear that there is no substantial difference in your positions. Warm regards to you both.

 

[Imran Khan]

india is MIX ACHAAR

 

[Sheena1980]

Just ignore the Clown. He isn't worth being given any attention

@Saradiel @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @samv

My purpose of posting is not to start a fight or create a difference with the SriLankans. This is exactly what people like this manlion wants & many people in Pakistan also would wish for. I just posted the reality, just so people understand the intent behind such OP.

The problem with Tamils is Lanka's internal problem. There are Bengali speakers in BD & W Bengal. There are Sindhi speakers in Pakistan & India. There are Punjabis in Pakistan & India.Urdu speakers are both in India & Pakistan. There are Russian speakers in Ukraine & Russia. English is spoken in UK, America, Australia, New Zealand. There are many countries who speak Spanish. There are many countries who speak French. There are many countries who speak Arabic & so on

So one country's language speakers relating their problem to other country is just not logical or rational. We have good relations with each other & let's not antagonize the atmosphere with such arguments. Given the present economic conditions of the sub-continent, the only roadway to prosperity is good relations by putting behind past negatives & differences. Don't give flame to such a$$hole like manlion. Just ignore him. Let's all Live & Let Live.

 

[samv]

LOL.
I'm not; 'we' are not; even the Temple Board has withdrawn its objections. Only the fanatics are left, and they know that they are on the losing side.

So Hindu fanatics?

Why do you think reading your posts is so important?

It gets us into shape.

That's why I said keep rolling. Shout "haro hara" as well to train the vocal cords.

They want two homelands. Get used to the idea.

Tamils may want that, but they ain't getting that. Get used to that.

Just ignore the Clown. He isn't worth being given any attention

Says the clown who worships Ranil Wickremasinghe.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So Hindu fanatics?

No.
BJP fanatics.
You know of those other three-alphabet phonies, the JVP? Like them.

That's why I said keep rolling. Shout "haro hara" as well to train the vocal cords.

So you did. Astonishing foresight.

Some day you will graduate to training your brain and learn with astonishment that it is possible to think. Do come back to this discussion then.

Tamils may want that, but they ain't getting that. Get used to that.

Not our problem. Tell the Tamils.

Says the clown who worships Ranil Wickremasinghe.

Again, don't wash Sri Lankan dirty linen in public. Makes us apologetic every time we run over one of their losers.

 

[samv]

No.
BJP fanatics.

So are they Hindus or not Hindus?

You know of those other three-alphabet phonies, the JVP? Like them.

How are they phonies?

So you did. Astonishing foresight.

Some day you will graduate to training your brain and learn with astonishment that it is possible to think. Do come back to this discussion then.

And maybe one day you will stop talking out of your ahole and question why your parents had you despite being siblings.

Not our problem. Tell the Tamils.

As long as you know. Remember Prabhakaran with a machete to his head.

Again, don't wash Sri Lankan dirty linen in public. Makes us apologetic every time we run over one of their losers.

What's it to you? India's dirty linen is flying in the wind for all to see.

 

[Saradiel]

That is, of course, based on the Jaffna Tamils being migrants from India and not indigenous.

Did you read what I wrote? I said the root cause of the Lankan issue is unhealthy level of Tamil nationalism aka Tamil chauvinism which is built up on history revisionism. If you have even an iota of knowledge in South Indian politics and Tamil nationalism, you would not respond like this. In 2015, do you know Telugu language education was banned in TN? That is Tamil Nationalism for you. Did I talk about Jaffna Tamils or their history? I can talk about that as well. Read again, my point is the root cause of the Sri Lankan conflict is Tamil chauvinism, look at language politics in TN itself.

Wouldn't your statements be equally true if we were to substitute Sinhalese, Sinhala, for Tamil above?

If we substitute Sinhala with Tamil, that statement becomes extremely erroneous. I have never seen Sinhala leaders peddling in such naked chauvinism like Tamil politicians in TN do. Look at how Seeman fellow talks, how karunanidi and Jayaliltha peddled in TN nationalism. These are your examples. In Sri Lanka no Sinhala politician dares to talk about any minorities in public like Tamils do about non Tamil speakers in TN and peddle in Sinhala nationalism like they do. The ones who are branded as Sinhala nationalists are even more diplomatic in how they talk and their usual topics include American imperialism, indian imperialism and that’s it. If any Sinhala leader makes such statement, there would be a huge backlash against them in SL. You don’t see that in TN. I have seen TN guys making fun of North Indians pointing at their religion based politics and Hindutva ideologies. But what they forget is they are equally or more extremist when it comes to linguistic nationalism.

umm....aren't you a little overwrought? Shouldn't you be writing this in a calmer, more contemplative mood?

What makes you think I am not calm here? If you can point a single lie I have mentioned here. It is common knowledge among history circles that Tamil nationalists’ distort history and indulge in history revisionism. Tamils have the tendency to manufacture history ( only in a manner that is politically advantageous to them), that is part of their politics. Which state are you from in India?

Hyperbolic, almost a politician's speech fragment;

Yes, Karunanidhi actually made that statement. He said ‘Tamil is the mother of all languages’. Now this will be ridiculously funny for an outsider, but Tamils in general believe him hundred percent and their politics is built up on this.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...anguages-in-the-world/articleshow/6084187.cms

Most probably, but you perhaps know this already and added it to make a greater display and shock the ill-read and ignorant

Are you saying Harappa is Tamil? Do you know Tamil nationalists actually believe so? They believe the whole subcontinent was once Tamil speaking and some even believe the whole subcontinent should go back to that state again. Are you shocked? If you learn more about Tamil nationalism, you would get shocked more.

Shocking. They are merely both Dravidian languages.

Yes, Tamil and Telugu are both Dravidian languages, that is to me and to you and to many others. Not to Tamil nationalists. Tamil nationalists believe ( in fact many Tamils) the proto Dravidian language which gave birth to many Dravidian languages is actually Tamil. No amount of linguistic research will cure that belief. They hold onto that belief because that is part of Tamil nationalism.

Under Tamil cultural influence, I'm sorry to inform you

If you believe Cambodian temples were built under Tamil cultural influence, again you are wrong according to Tamil nationalists. According to them Tamils built them when infact, it is Khmer people who built them when they used to be Hindus. The Indian connection to Khmer people were through the Pallavas and not Tamils. And Tamils will tell you again Pallavas were Tamils when history shows us they had North Indian roots. That is Tamil nationalism

There is a school of thought among academicians that believes so

Could you please tell me who those academicians are who believe Sri Lanka was Tamil? Are they graduates of the Karunanidhi school of history? And don’t you realize when you say that some academics ( god knows who because I think you too believe it) believe Sri Lanka was Tamil, you in fact prove the main argument I present here that Sri Lanka’s issue is history revisionism.

You mean the large majority of Sri Lankans are more in number, hence they must be right?

Where have I implied it? Can you read English?

Please look up consociationalism. This, by the way, is what might have resolved the Muslim quest for equality in India. It was the direction in which the Muslim League was moving, before Congress exasperation at Muslim League intransigence during a period of experimental joint administration in the UP drove them to reject the Muslim League post-independence constitutional suggestions and forced the Muslim League to fall back on partition.

So you are saying, an arrangement where a minority ruled a majority, in this case a 25% percent minority ruling over a 75% majority is fine, ( as long as they are Tamils ah? ) That is what an apartheid looks like my friend what the world condemned as a whole in South Africa! And even the British constitutional experts condemned the Tamil suggestion way back in 1939.

Perhaps these should be reversed. Perhaps it should be recognised that this was cause, and Tamil intransigence was effect.

Can you read? Or are you blinded by Tamil nationalism? If you can read, you will learn in my post itself that Sinhala governments changed and some even not implemented some of the policies of the previous Sinhala governments that were treated as discriminatory. So the policy of Sinhalising the Tamils which they brought in as a strategy to contain Tamil chauvinism was dropped very much earlier. But Sri Lanka’s issue still persists even under a more equitable system where there is regional autonomy in Tamil dominated areas. Because the root cause remain unanswered and under researched which is Tamil chauvinism.

We have idiots like this in India too. Unless one is looking for a fight, they are harmless. Look up Vaiko, a Tamil politician in Tamil Nadu, and a perfect idiot.

As far as I know there is a huge support base for such history revisionist ideologies among Tamils. Even Tamils’ CM once said it. What is wrong with Vaiko when he says the same thing Karunanithi said?

And this is scripture, and none allowed to change it? Interesting.

What are you trying to say? Didn’t India play a supporting part to Tamil terrorism in early days providing training and material support to Tamil terrorism?

Have to acknowledge your delicacy of touch.

Again, trying to evade the point. Have I made any incorrect statement here?

@Saradiel @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @samv

My purpose of posting is not to start a fight or create a difference with the SriLankans. This is exactly what people like this manlion wants & many people in Pakistan also would wish for. I just posted the reality, just so people understand the intent behind such OP.

The problem with Tamils is Lanka's internal problem. There are Bengali speakers in BD & W Bengal. There are Sindhi speakers in Pakistan & India. There are Punjabis in Pakistan & India.Urdu speakers are both in India & Pakistan. There are Russian speakers in Ukraine & Russia. English is spoken in UK, America, Australia, New Zealand. There are many countries who speak Spanish. There are many countries who speak French. There are many countries who speak Arabic & so on

So one country's language speakers relating their problem to other country is just not logical or rational. We have good relations with each other & let's not antagonize the atmosphere with such arguments. Given the present economic conditions of the sub-continent, the only roadway to prosperity is good relations by putting behind past negatives & differences. Don't give flame to such a$$hole like manlion. Just ignore him. Let's all Live & Let Live.

I have seen number of posts made by manlion, I was just responding to what@Joe Shearer said. I know there are many countries which share the same language. I did not speak about Tamil language but I pointed out an unhealthy level of Tamil nationalism or Tamil chauvinism that has contributed to the conflict in SL ( and I believe still an issue in India as well). No bengalis, no Punjabis, no sindhis, no Russians or no English and even no Telugus or Kannadiags have linguistic nationalism ( chauvnism) to the extent Tamils show.

I did not want to pick up a fight, I wanted to start a conversation on that. It is sad, that Joe simply evaded it by going around it without answering the main point.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Did you read what I wrote? I said the root cause of the Lankan issue is unhealthy level of Tamil nationalism aka Tamil chauvinism which is built up on history revisionism. If you have even an iota of knowledge in South Indian politics and Tamil nationalism, you would not respond like this. In 2015, do you know Telugu language education was banned in TN? That is Tamil Nationalism for you. Did I talk about Jaffna Tamils or their history? I can talk about that as well. Read again, my point is the root cause of the Sri Lankan conflict is Tamil chauvinism, look at language politics in TN itself.


If we substitute Sinhala with Tamil, that statement becomes extremely erroneous. I have never seen Sinhala leaders peddling in such naked chauvinism like Tamil politicians in TN do. Look at how Seeman fellow talks, how karunanidi and Jayaliltha peddled in TN nationalism. These are your examples. In Sri Lanka no Sinhala politician dares to talk about any minorities in public like Tamils do about non Tamil speakers in TN and peddle in Sinhala nationalism like they do. The ones who are branded as Sinhala nationalists are even more diplomatic in how they talk and their usual topics include American imperialism, indian imperialism and that’s it. If any Sinhala leader makes such statement, there would be a huge backlash against them in SL. You don’t see that in TN. I have seen TN guys making fun of North Indians pointing at their religion based politics and Hindutva ideologies. But what they forget is they are equally or more extremist when it comes to linguistic nationalism.



What makes you think I am not calm here? If you can point a single lie I have mentioned here. It is common knowledge among history circles that Tamil nationalists’ distort history and indulge in history revisionism. Tamils have the tendency to manufacture history ( only in a manner that is politically advantageous to them), that is part of their politics. Which state are you from in India?


Yes, Karunanidhi actually made that statement. He said ‘Tamil is the mother of all languages’. Now this will be ridiculously funny for an outsider, but Tamils in general believe him hundred percent and their politics is built up on this.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...anguages-in-the-world/articleshow/6084187.cms


Are you saying Harappa is Tamil? Do you know Tamil nationalists actually believe so? They believe the whole subcontinent was once Tamil speaking and some even believe the whole subcontinent should go back to that state again. Are you shocked? If you learn more about Tamil nationalism, you would get shocked more.


Yes, Tamil and Telugu are both Dravidian languages, that is to me and to you and to many others. Not to Tamil nationalists. Tamil nationalists believe ( in fact many Tamils) the proto Dravidian language which gave birth to many Dravidian languages is actually Tamil. No amount of linguistic research will cure that belief. They hold onto that belief because that is part of Tamil nationalism.


If you believe Cambodian temples were built under Tamil cultural influence, again you are wrong according to Tamil nationalists. According to them Tamils built them when infact, it is Khmer people who built them when they used to be Hindus. The Indian connection to Khmer people were through the Pallavas and not Tamils. And Tamils will tell you again Pallavas were Tamils when history shows us they had North Indian roots. That is Tamil nationalism


Could you please tell me who those academicians are who believe Sri Lanka was Tamil? Are they graduates of the Karunanidhi school of history? And don’t you realize when you say that some academics ( god knows who because I think you too believe it) believe Sri Lanka was Tamil, you in fact prove the main argument I present here that Sri Lanka’s issue is history revisionism.


Where have I implied it? Can you read English?


So you are saying, an arrangement where a minority ruled a majority, in this case a 25% percent minority ruling over a 75% majority is fine, ( as long as they are Tamils ah? ) That is what an apartheid looks like my friend what the world condemned as a whole in South Africa! And even the British constitutional experts condemned the Tamil suggestion way back in 1939.


Can you read? Or are you blinded by Tamil nationalism? If you can read, you will learn in my post itself that Sinhala governments changed and some even not implemented some of the policies of the previous Sinhala governments that were treated as discriminatory. So the policy of Sinhalising the Tamils which they brought in as a strategy to contain Tamil chauvinism was dropped very much earlier. But Sri Lanka’s issue still persists even under a more equitable system where there is regional autonomy in Tamil dominated areas. Because the root cause remain unanswered and under researched which is Tamil chauvinism.


As far as I know there is a huge support base for such history revisionist ideologies among Tamils. Even Tamils’ CM once said it. What is wrong with Vaiko when he says the same thing Karunanithi said?


What are you trying to say? Didn’t India play a supporting part to Tamil terrorism in early days providing training and material support to Tamil terrorism?


Again, trying to evade the point. Have I made any incorrect statement here?



I have seen number of posts made by manlion, I was just responding to what@Joe Shearer said. I know there are many countries which share the same language. I did not speak about Tamil language but I pointed out an unhealthy level of Tamil nationalism or Tamil chauvinism that has contributed to the conflict in SL ( and I believe still an issue in India as well). No bengalis, no Punjabis, no sindhis, no Russians or no English and even no Telugus or Kannadiags have linguistic nationalism ( chauvnism) to the extent Tamils show.

I did not want to pick up a fight, I wanted to start a conversation on that. It is sad, that Joe simply evaded it by going around it without answering the main point.

There is no main point; you wanted to say that it is Tamil chauvinism that is at the root of all the Sri Lanka trouble. That is not much of a point, and rather than get into this kind of ethno-nationalist squabble, I sought to point out the obvious faults and failures that emerge, but it seems that you are doggedly bent on pushing that line.

Tamils are difficult people, but to raise them to the demonic levels that Sri Lankans do is simply absurd. Your points are all, each and every one, based on a deep-seated hatred of the Tamil that is intractable; it cannot be a conversation where one side is determined to start with premises that are themselves wrong.

I am not a Tamil; I am not a Sri Lankan. Looking at the situation from a distance, I can only see a morbidly self-dramatising people at one end of the discussion, a morbidly obsessed with the 'enemy' people at the other end. If you do not abandon your monomania, neither will the Tamils, that is, the Tamil members of this forum, and they will bring up their own dhobi basket of matters to be adjusted off the discussion table.