Increasing Muslim population dangerous for India

[MilSpec]

If u had iota of shame u wouldnt have written this gibberish.

As I said, Stark Reminder

Tnt still stands firm on its feet. Those who wished to destroy it went to their graves with their unfulfilled wishes, yes indira gandhi ,the rest in ur top gov echelons who have been working like rabid dogs to do this will also meet same fate.

No Gandhis or Nehrus wish any destruction of the vaunted theory, it's the bigger muslim population than the your entire country combines that stands out as the sore thumb... And thus derives such brilliant narratives. And OP's projection that Muslim demography will thrive in India to become the largest in the whole world just backs that up

If two nation theory was so weak thn why bangladesh never got absorbed in india despite indias deperate attempts to take over it. And although india has taken it over as a colony but thats due to bloody awami league.

Never said it was weak, just said it was wrong, the ones who believe in it, will use every thing from state riots to delusional understanding of history to justify it, just like you. India did not want to take over bangladesh, if anything one of the main reasons was to stop the mass exodus of refugees, changing the political demography of eastern states.

Once kicked off the spot for good ,bangla will see the future growing out of indian gloom.

ok, we'll see once that happens, right now they have been doing better since they kicked you off.

And as of greater size muslim population.
Pakistan along with east pakistan had the highest muslim population in world. If someone who makes that sort of statement 'as indian muslims are greater in number'etc is seemingly acting purposefully ignorant.

The underlining thought is "was" that no longer is? why? is it because the nation created on the noble theory basically did exactly opposite to what it ws created for, the nation created for protection of political rights, institutionally discriminated against half of it's population? wonder why? were there any underlying subclauses in the theory that we are not aware of? Was TNT laid out as :for protection of Muslims of Indian Sub Continent (ahem: the only fair skinned, shalwar kameezed tall ones though!)

Thridly, indian muslims are the most poorest and uneducated community alongside dalits. Dont tell me thats not true.
Now muh of the outer world knows.

Yes and Indian muslims are in eternal gratitude of M. A Jinnah for creating this situation for the muslims in India with the exodus of muslim elite from India into newly created muslim utopia.
Despite that Indian Muslims have the same constitutional rights as every other religious group in India... Would you ever be able to say that for your country? Muslims and other minorities have had a affirmative action program from day 1 in India, have had the political representation and as we see today, the muslim demography in India, rather than having thier political right marginalised have emerged as one of the most important political demographics where Muslim appeasement has become a routine method to hold on to political mandate. TNT as a classical theory according to me saw it's demise with constitution of India in 1950, right now TnT is a state of mind, and in that role it continues to thrive and prosper....

 

[Shamain]

As I said, Stark Reminder


No Gandhis or Nehrus wish any destruction of the vaunted theory, it's the bigger muslim population than the your entire country combines that stands out as the sore thumb... And thus derives such brilliant narratives. And OP's projection that Muslim demography will thrive in India to become the largest in the whole world just backs that up

Never said it was weak, just said it was wrong, the ones who believe in it, will use every thing from state riots to delusional understanding of history to justify it, just like you. India did not want to take over bangladesh, if anything one of the main reasons was to stop the mass exodus of refugees, changing the political demography of eastern states.


ok, we'll see once that happens, right now they have been doing better since they kicked you off.


The underlining thought is "was" that no longer is? why? is it because the nation created on the noble theory basically did exactly opposite to what it ws created for, the nation created for protection of political rights, institutionally discriminated against half of it's population? wonder why? were there any underlying subclauses in the theory that we are not aware of?





Yes and Indian muslims are in eternal gratitude of M. A Jinnah for creating this situation for the muslims in India with the exodus of muslim elite from India into newly created muslim utopia.
Despite that Indian Muslims have the same constitutional rights as every other religious group in India... Would you ever be able to say that? Muslims and other minorities have had a affirmative action program from day 1 in India, have had the political representation and as we see today, the muslim demography in India, rather than having thier political right marginalised have emerged as one of the most important political demographics where Muslim appeasement has become a routine method to hold on to political mandate. TNT as a classical theory according to me saw it's demise with constitution of India in 1950, right now TnT is a state of mind, and in that role it continues to thrive and prosper....

Just cuz a random guy Milspec thought a certain that means realities and facts will be changed.
Typical narrow minded gibberish.
And bengalis as per ur words have kicked us out. After separtion of bengal we never kicked out bengalis who had moved to west pakistan for opportunities and neither had they left on their own. There are 5 million now in number.
So tnt is there and will remain and just cuz an indian who gets kicks out of putting it down, realities arent gonna change.

 

[MilSpec]

Just cuz a random guy Milspec thought a certain that means realities and facts will be changed.
Typical narrow minded gibberish.
And bengalis as per ur words have kicked us out. After separtion of bengal we never kicked out bengalis who had moved to west pakistan for opportunities and neither had they left on their own. There are 5 million now in number.
So tnt is there and will remain and just cuz an indian who gets kicks out of putting it down, realities arent gonna change.

Good for you.... You are just proving what I said. TNT is alive and kicking mindset.

 

[Shamain]

Good for you.... You are just proving what I said. TNT is alive and kicking mindset.

Ok whatever thought gives u peace.

 

[Dr. Sen]

Human beings are capable of great inhumanity. The Direct Action was launched and the aim was to create a much larger Pakistan. What happened? Once this excess of self righteous morality is sidelined, Hindus/Buddhists/Sikhs will have far less qualms about regaining their ancestral lands. There won't be one, but a hundred Putins and a super Putin. The ground is being prepared.

Even @Tshering22 mentioned the same thing about grounds being prepared. I dont get it. Do you think there will be mass slaughter of each other?

Rather than that I personally would prefer Hitlers way except for the crazy gas chamber idea. Collecting muslims and giving them uninhabited land with infrastructure created beforehand so that they can sustain themselves.

 

[suresh1773]

The number of children don't determine what class you are, rather what class you are determines the number of children you have. Poorer families tend to have more children, because it increases the survival rate of the bloodline, and in the long term, gives the family more laborers to gain financially. Richer families tend to have less children because the kids probably have a secure future, and there is little need to have more than one or two.

Times have changed drastically,back in the 1940’s & 50’s when each family whether middle class, rich or poor would have a dozen or half a dozen children. My father had 8 siblings and my mother 5. Gone are those days.In Bombay now Mumbai ever poor Hindu families have one or two children. I have often come across families complaining of inflation & high cost of living,apart from this nowadays it is very difficult to get admission in schools for children. Many of the schools here demand hefty donation

Earlier many Joint family systems used to live under one roof,not now. With real estate prices going over the roof,it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a house,even banks are reluctant to give home loans.

In my locality I have never come across families whether rich, middle class,poor or even dirt poor with more then 2 children,even my maid servant has 2 children. @ArsalanKhan21

 

[That Guy]

Times have changed drastically,back in the 1940’s & 50’s when each family whether middle class, rich or poor would have a dozen or half a dozen children. My father had 8 siblings and my mother 5. Gone are those days.In Bombay now Mumbai ever poor Hindu families have one or two children. I have often come across families complaining of inflation & high cost of living,apart from this nowadays it is very difficult to get admission in schools for children. Many of the schools here demand hefty donation

Earlier many Joint family systems used to live under one roof,not now. With real estate prices going over the roof,it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a house,even banks are reluctant to give home loans.

In my locality I have never come across families whether rich, middle class,poor or even dirt poor with more then 2 children,even my maid servant has 2 children. @ArsalanKhan21

Even if what you say is true (and the science behind it says that it isn't), why target Muslims specifically? The last I checked, Hindus were the majority, and are set to become the third largest group by 2050, almost all the growth being in India.

 

[Jayanta]

Increasing Muslim population is a danger to any peace loving country....India is no exception.

 

[suresh1773]

Even if what you say is true (and the science behind it says that it isn't), why target Muslims specifically? The last I checked, Hindus were the majority, and are set to become the third largest group by 2050, almost all the growth being in India.

It is wrong to target Muslims or any community,I fully agree with you on this. We need a holistic approach. Well the OP says Muslims r against family planning. I have also come across Muslim families in rural Uttar Pradesh who r against giving polio drops to their children. We need to educate those families the dangers of polio

 

[Jayanta]

Increasing Muslim population is a danger to any peace loving country....India is no exception.

@A1Kaid a negative rating doesn't change the truth.

 

[nForce]

I am curious here. Are the Indian Muslims from Turkey? Are the Indian Muslims from Bosnia? In fact are these Punjabi Muslims from Pakistan. Or are they Pashtun Muslims from Pakistan? I don't think so. They are poor Indian Bihari, poor Indian Tamils, poor Indian Gujrati etc

I can't see how your bringing race into this. These are native Indian's who happen to be Muslim. If you decide to draw lines in society you can make all sort of deductions. You could for example say educated people versus uneducated. Rural versus urban and again you will notice differances emerging. Rural and poor people have higher birth rates.

For a so called secular country your doing a fine job of dividing your people up along religious lines. Frankly the way I see it you have over 200 million untouchables. how come your not making a drama about their lack of education and birth rates?

Your points are very much valid and I agree most of that. However, we need to take a look at things pragmatically, without any prejudice.

The fact remains that there is lack of family planning among certain sections of Muslim population in India, which results in high birth rates.Our nation cannot economically or socially sustain an uncontrolled and high rate of increase in population, the resources will be stretched thinner and thinner.Its one of those times, when you call a spade a spade, because calling it otherwise is misleading. Hence we need to spread the message and take steps to educate these sections of society about the benefits of family planning.

Also, I would like to add, it would be wrong to judge things from one aspect only. It is not like that we are talking about family planning means other social welfare activities like health or education or creation of job opportunities etc. go for a toss. We have robust plans for those aspects as well.
You need to see things holistically here.

 

[qamar1990]

We witness the Indian secularism when Muslims are in Majority in Kashmir. We are witnessing the same in Hyderabad and mallapuram in Kerala.

yes we witness when muslims and vhristians get slaughtered by the 100s...

 

[HariPrasad]

yes we witness when muslims and vhristians get slaughtered by the 100s...

yes we witness when muslims and vhristians get slaughtered by the 100s...

I can agree with you if those Muslims are Pakistani shias.

 

[qamar1990]

I can agree with you if those Muslims are Pakistani shias.

why? pakistani shias live in better conditions then indian muslims and christians

 

[MilSpec]

why? pakistani shias live in better conditions then indian muslims and christians

Dear,
If you really want to know the truth, the only divide in India is between rich and the poor and poverty irrespective of religion is a curse. During partition, pakistan's makeup was such that it was slated to be successful country, India on the other hand for decades was speculated to fail due to it's population density, lack of education, poor infrastructure, and lack of industrialization. Despite the odds Indian experiment worked, Pakistan did too, but would have done better if not for it's constant political turmoil.

In the front of social justice, there is a stark difference between India and today's Pakistan, there is no constitutional discrimination of minorities in India, Minorities were given reservation from day 1 of Indian republic's existence. Pakistan on the other hand re-wrote it's constitution multiple times, sometimes for the convenience, sometime for misappropriations. One of the most unfortunate part of Pakistan's constitutional rights is, that pakistan should have constitutionally treated all it's citizens equally irrespective of religious beliefs. Especially because of vision of M.A Jinnah, who created pakistan for protection of political rights of the minorities. I do understand that "secular" is a dreaded word in Pakistan, but providing equal constitutional rights to it's citizenry is a fundamental duty of every nation, which Pakistan has not done but India has. For example, a second generation afghan or iranian immigrant can become the prime minister of pakistan, but a resident Hindu or christian cannot.

India's failure has been different, India although has had constitutional equality, this has not translated into the social equality for the minorities in India, more so in the last decade or two, combined with the wealth gap between the below poverty line and medium/high income groups, the two strata of the society are almost oblivious to the existence of each other, so drastic is the difference that the manifestos for the elections cater to such section individually.

So are your minorities better off than us? May be ... But is it due to some devious government action? the answer is an absolutely No. It is due to incompetence of reforms which were taken by subsequent administration which failed the economic policies of the country.

Are our minorities better off than your's? May be.... You have enjoyed a better economic growth rates during your formative years and had lesser mouths to feed, especially after the 71 conflict. with lower population density, self sufficiency in agricultural needs, and good potential to be an economic corridor, your country was slated for unprecedented success, what transpired next is better known to you and I would refrain from commenting on it. Your minorities both (religious and linguistic) suffered political discrimination (till 71) and constitutional discrimination throughout. When the government itself has discriminatory attitude towards it's minorities, there is a very low chance of pakistani society to ever provide equity to it's minorites in the social fabric.