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In two years, Indian navy may lose sub-sea edge over Pakistan

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BEIJING: India's submarine crisis comes just around the time China has begun arming two other neighbors, Pakistan and Bangladesh, with submarines. China has also introduced new nuclear submarines that have caused a flutter in Washington.

Jane's weekly quoting a senior Pakistani official says China is set to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan by end of 2014. China has also signed an agreement with Pakistan to sell two Type 035G Ming-class diesel-electric submarines to Bangladesh, reports from Dhaka said recently. The New Age newspaper said the deal was valued $206 million. China has promised to deliver the submarines to Bangladesh Navy by 2019.

"Technical details are almost done. The present discussions are mainly about the financing details," a senior Pakistan official told Jane's. The journal said a second Pakistani government official confirmed that "the contract is at an advanced stage and discussions won't linger on for too long. Realistically, we should have a deal by end 2014."

Islamabad is expected to buy China's S20 or Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK). At present, the Pakistani Navy operates five French submarines; three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.

Pakistan's ambitious defence planners are also pushing China for selling submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles. But western diplomats say China may be reluctant to hand over such sophisticated equipment fearing harsh reactions from Washington.

Another of India's neighbours, Myanmar is using Chinese experts to train its submarine personnel. It also sent a contingent of navy personnel for submarine warfare training in Pakistan in mid-2013. Myanmar has announced plans to build its own fleet of submarines, and is expected to look towards Russia for supplies.
Pak set to get Chinese submarines amid sub crisis in India - The Times of India
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Congratulations to Pakistan,any isea about there deilievery time.
 
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Zarvan said:
Pakistan's ambitious defence planners are also pushing China for selling submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles.
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Why don't these so called planners look at Pakistani firms for a change or maybe..... strengthen our institutions so that they can deliver on their own, IMP no matter how much sophisticated the equipment is, it's a bloody shame if we can't make it in Pakistan.
However, the step of imposing ban on arms imports is a good one by the current gov.
China is a good friend, has been a good friend but we have to make sure that we don't get too left behind. Also, it doesn't mean that if the Indians can't do it, we can't do it.
 
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FunkyGen said:
Why don't these so called planners look at Pakistani firms for a change or maybe..... strengthen our institutions so that they can deliver on their own, IMP no matter how much sophisticated the equipment is, it's a bloody shame if we can't make it in Pakistan.
However, the step of imposing ban on arms imports is a good one by the current gov.
China is a good friend, has been a good friend but we have to make sure that we don't get too left behind. Also, it doesn't mean that if the Indians can't do it, we can't do it.
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India has already devloped an indigenous nuclear submarine
 
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Zarvan said:
BEIJING: India's submarine crisis comes just around the time China has begun arming two other neighbors, Pakistan and Bangladesh, with submarines. China has also introduced new nuclear submarines that have caused a flutter in Washington.

Jane's weekly quoting a senior Pakistani official says China is set to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan by end of 2014. China has also signed an agreement with Pakistan to sell two Type 035G Ming-class diesel-electric submarines to Bangladesh, reports from Dhaka said recently. The New Age newspaper said the deal was valued $206 million. China has promised to deliver the submarines to Bangladesh Navy by 2019.

"Technical details are almost done. The present discussions are mainly about the financing details," a senior Pakistan official told Jane's. The journal said a second Pakistani government official confirmed that "the contract is at an advanced stage and discussions won't linger on for too long. Realistically, we should have a deal by end 2014."

Islamabad is expected to buy China's S20 or Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK). At present, the Pakistani Navy operates five French submarines; three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.

Pakistan's ambitious defence planners are also pushing China for selling submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles. But western diplomats say China may be reluctant to hand over such sophisticated equipment fearing harsh reactions from Washington.

Another of India's neighbours, Myanmar is using Chinese experts to train its submarine personnel. It also sent a contingent of navy personnel for submarine warfare training in Pakistan in mid-2013. Myanmar has announced plans to build its own fleet of submarines, and is expected to look towards Russia for supplies.
Pak set to get Chinese submarines amid sub crisis in India - The Times of India
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The trouble with India is that Indian politicians and bureaucrats are absolutely clueless on defence matters and couldn't care less for defence preparedness. For example most deputy and additional secretaries in the Ministry of Defence are yahoos who have zero experience in defence matters seeing that they have come on a two or three year posting from ministries like environment, food processing, Urban development etc!!

The IAS lobby have refused defence officers to be co-opted in the MoD as they think they will loose their hold on the lucrative cash cow!

The more they delay pushing files around, the more money is to be made under the table. Is it any surprise that acquisitions have seen delays spanning years?

The Cabinet Committee on Security which decides on India's defence expenditure and matters of National Security, has:

PM
Defence Minister
Finance Minister
Home Minister
Foreign Minister

But there is NO representative form the defence forces!!! What do these temporary politicians know about National Security? Tomorrow it may be Mulayan Yadav, Mayawati or even Pappy Yadav in the Cabinet Committee on Security!!! WTF do they know? We are living in lulu land!!

Nuff said.
 
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