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Don't worry none of the political party has gone out of business, it would be same for the PTI. I agree with you that they are shameless but do tell me if political parties have any shame at all?
Who is going to say Absolutely Not to military's help in political matters? For all i know is that Governor of Punjab is still asking for the help of Gen Bajwa despite the fact that all of the PTI has declared a traitor and a sell out.
Only temporarily , honestly surprised how no one has picked up on the bigger picture. Quote me when IK comes back with 2/3 majority
Bro , no one can predict how people react . So if you are telling me that establishment has planned all this . My answer to that is No . They were involved in this conspiracy
 
Bro , no one can predict how people react . So if you are telling me that establishment has planned all this . My answer to that is No . They were involved in this conspiracy
I can tell with full confidence that whatever happened here is totally internal. And again, i hope for the sake of Pakistan that political parties learn something out of this debacle and say no to establishment interference in politics even if that means losing some seats or even provinces for now.
 
It's an anonymous internet forum.
I'll try not to lose sleep over it. LOL.
It tells you what i am always saying
A good portion of educated people from central punjab support the concept that corruption made vietname, china, korea and japan (& now india & bengaldesh) into export manufacturing economic power houses

They think the solution for that is "khata hey tu lagata be hey"


I would buy this sure but none of the countries mentioned above applied concept of massive infrastruture builidng with 20-30% skimming on top...china did it but way later after it had enough revenues to do so..e.g we had lahore islamabad motorway at 1b$ built in 1992..first in asia..even today we are peoud that we did it before china or veitnam..but instead of being proud we should be ashmaed that we spent that much massive amount for builiding a motorway in 1992?
Hence why in 1990s people wouldnt even use it at midnight..

The same goes for 3b$ metro..sure a great project that we will be proud of 20yrs from now..? But is it as important as munda dam(which is half the cost?). Is it as important as bhasha dam(similar cost at 490b$, i.e non electrical part contracted)

The lack ofpirotities doomed paksitani economy and at fast glance it has nothing to do with corruption untill you realized how 20% skimming and money laundering works

I have to give it to my cousin a diehard PMLN supporter who explained it to me how it works..he does alot of contracts in nigeria as well..a country with more oil then arab countries and more corrupt than ours(or may be less after i see ayyan ali)


Nah not really 😂😂 Why do people on this forum get so offended once I poke wholes in this Pakistani identity theory? It’s just a NATIONALITY. Just like how there’s Sindhis in India, there’s Sindhis in Pakistan, Punjabis in India, Punjabis in Pakistan, Pashtuns in Afg, Pashtuns in Pk, baloch in Iran, baloch in Pakistan, and baloch in afg.

And how does one put their ethnicity above Pakistan anyway? Please enlighten me.



Criticizing and not liking current state of affairs = going against Pakistan

1. My opinion was different 4 months ago.
2. I’m “from Pakistan”



Inshallah that happens but as of right now it’s not looking bright.
People of pakistan are xtremely optimistic
Hence why are doing great on happiness scale

Just feeling good doesnt mean you are doing good
If you put ethnicity above Pakistan then you are on the spectrum of ethnonationalism.

Shame on you and others who go againt Pakistan. A day will come where Pakistan will progress be a great nation.

If you don't like Pakistan then why are you on a Pakistan defence forum?
It will great injustice if Allah Lift people who believe in corruption & slavery to any level of development..and God doesnt do injustice

خودی کو کر اتنا بلند
کہ ہر تقدیر سے پہلے
خدا بندے سے خود پوچھے
بتا تیری رضا کیا ہے

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE Now dont put a bleshphemy case on me..this is iqbal go arrest him
 
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A good portion of educated people from central punjab support the concept that corruption made vietname, china, korea and japan (& now india & bengaldesh) into export manufacturing economic power houses

They think the solution for that is "khata hey tu lagata be hey"

They are just rationalizing their support for PMLN, just like people do for PPPP, MQM and other ethnic parties. The only reason these corrupt parties survive is because too many people put ethnicity above Pakistan.

"Signals from India" ke baad, "Signals from Amrika".


She's a regular anti-Pakistan troll on Indian media.

In the old days they used to have a dancing monkey on a chain. You threw some coins in the plate and the monkey would dance.

Same thing happens in the media too.
 
They are just rationalizing their support for PMLN, just like people do for PPPP, MQM and other ethnic parties. The only reason these corrupt parties survive is because too many people put ethnicity above Pakistan.



She's a regular anti-Pakistan troll on Indian media.

In the old days they used to have a dancing monkey on a chain. You threw some coins in the plate and the monkey would dance.

Same thing happens in the media too.
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They are just rationalizing their support for PMLN, just like people do for PPPP, MQM and other ethnic parties. The only reason these corrupt parties survive is because too many people put ethnicity above Pakistan.



She's a regular anti-Pakistan troll on Indian media.

In the old days they used to have a dancing monkey on a chain. You threw some coins in the plate and the monkey would dance.

Same thing happens in the media too.

She is not anti-Pakistan , she is an anti-Establishment troll and sometimes an anti-IK troll.

How is that a bad thing ? have you seen this thread where much worse has been said ?

And she is funny and smart. Its no wonder she is so likable.

Here is another Gem from IK.



How delusional does one have to be to think anyone in India cares if he is PM or not ? :lol:

Pretty much everyone in India (and World) considered IK a puppet of the establishment. No one in the world cared when IK stepped down. Not even china.
 
And she is funny and smart. Its no wonder she is so likable.

Indian standards are low enough that she would surely satisfy.

How delusional does one have to be to think anyone in India cares if he is PM or not ? :lol:

Unfortunately for you, the Indian media's obsession with Pakistan is on full display. The media, by its very nature, is there for all to see.
 
Indian standards are low enough that she would surely satisfy.

"low standards", what an unfortunate choice of words.

Here is another of her post.




Unfortunately for you, the Indian media's obsession with Pakistan is on full display. The media, by its very nature, is

Indian media is obsessed with money and TRP. pakistan is somewhere between Cricket and Road accident in Media "news worthy list".

Anyway, here is her latest take on IK.

‘India, I love you’ — but why now, Imran Khan? Kashmir to Covid, India was perfect cover

From shedding Modiphobia to praising 'azaad' India's foreign policy, calling Indians 'self-respecting', Imran Khan's U-turns are nothing but dovish cloaks.

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One moment we are told India is happy with Imran Khan’s ouster, in another, we find out that isn’t the case. At least a veteran actress and retired Major cut it to the not-so-happy list, for sure, notwithstanding the love pouring out from the former Prime Minister for the eastern neighbor on which he spent more than three years, villainising.

The poor man’s Oprah Winfrey told us how Imran Khan is many things but corrupt, even if the daily dose of corruption scandals continues to surface. But we should believe her only because she’s known the former PM and his pir for 40 years. Then there is the “fifth generation warfare” favourite – Major (retd.) Gaurav Arya – convincing us of Khan’s services to India. Apparently, Khan saved India thousands of crores of rupees and bullets by achieving what it could only dream of. Now, what will that be? ‘Pakistani awaam (commoners) abusing Pakistani fauj (army)’ — and the man behind it is Khan. This makes him India’s best friend.

The feeling is mutual on some days. On other days, the love for India is non-existent.

بھارتی میڈیا پر ہر وقت پاکستان کے خلاف ہرزہ سرائی کرنے والے میجر (ر)گاروو آریہ کے خیال میں عمران خان بھارت کا بہترین دوست ہے کیونکہ اس شخص کی وجہ سے پاکستان کے اندر پاکستان کی فوج کے خلاف گالی گلوچ ہو رہی ہے امید ہے کہ اب عمران خان سرعام بھارت کی خارجہ پالیسی کی تعریف نہیں کرینگے pic.twitter.com/M8yuIURiLO
— Hamid Mir (@HamidMirPAK) April 22, 2022

‘Azaad’ foreign policy

What began during the last days of Imran Khan in office has continued — public rallies and television addresses in which he imparts wisdom to Pakistanis on how India had a successful sovereign foreign policy and Pakistan didn’t. He is playing on loop his entire backstory of ‘being pushed out of office’ because he was pursuing an independent foreign policy. Not to forget the sob story about the United States regime change et al.

Now more appreciative of India’s diplomatic juggling, even more than Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is Imran Khan — how the neighbour called itself a strategic ally of the US while being part of Quad and calling itself neutral in the ongoing Ukraine war. Apparently, India is importing oil from Russia despite sanctions because its policy is for ‘the betterment of its people’, unlike Pakistan. To Khan, Indians are a very “self-respecting people” and take no dictation. Yesterday’s fifth-generation warriors would have shot back at him – “Did you just call us beghairat?” But these days, they have their hands full with discontent against the military command for not saving the former PM.

Our re-education continues. The same US, which, according to Khan, sent him home packing, is now being praised for its relationship with India. Meanwhile, former Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi considers India a party to the regime change conspiracy because the neighbour wants a “soft government” in Pakistan. Now, in that case, isn’t the removal of Imran Khan yet another feather in India’s foreign policy cap? We wonder.

In his last address to the nation as Prime Minister, Khan almost cried while talking about India’s foreign policy. Touched with gratitude was the Modi government, and the Indian media must have felt it won the 2022 world cup. And why not. ‘No one can dictate India: How Imran Khan praised Modi govt’s independent foreign policy,’ and ‘Imran Khan once again lauds India’s foreign policy’ were some of the top headlines in Indian publications. When such headlines are garnered by a Pakistani politician who isn’t Imran Khan, the latter and his minions jump to hand ghaddari certificates. The statements of former prime ministers Nawaz Sharif or Asif Ali Zardari would, in itself, become evidence of “Indian funding,” “R&AW sponsorship”. They would bring printouts of the same headline to press conferences — “Look how India is celebrating”, “Look how India is happy.” Somehow, India’s happiness is always a cause of worry; its unhappiness, not so much. That’s why we have also been told by Imran Khan that the neighbouring country was the happiest on his removal. Who told him? Definitely not Simi Garewal or Major Arya. By now, we also know that he knows Indians more than anyone else.

Dushman now ‘dost’

We continue to be convinced by Imran Khan how great azaad India’s foreign policy is, and, in the same breath, how he isn’t ‘anti-India’, as if the last three and half years never happened. The likes of Nawaz Sharif paid a huge political price time and again for pushing for the normalisation of ties with India. Then there was Imran Khan, who constantly otherised India he now suddenly claims to be not so against. Seeing that he made hay over the anti-India rhetoric in office and in Opposition earlier, I’m not one to buy this newfound dovish cloak. It is as legit as the claim of wearing salwar kameez for “national honor” when inside the PM’s office but donning Polo, Nike when fighting for khuddari against Americans.

From the time when Imran Khan’s letters and calls didn’t connect across the border to the post-Pulwama airstrikes in Balakot and the abrogation of Article 370, the time was never right to have any normal bilateral relationship with India. It is convenient now to say ‘I actually wanted a good relationship with India, but the government in Delhi was of Narendra Modi’ — the same Modi, whose election win you were predicting would solve the Kashmir dispute, and which he did.

Imran Khan’s contribution to Kashmir remains standing in the sun for 30 minutes on two Fridays while going missing on the third one. It is also putting up a black Twitter display picture to mark India’s Independence Day, deserving of a chapter in our history books, if not an award of valour. This unwarranted rhetoric came in the former PM’s own way after he decided to lift the ban on trade with India and then took a U-turn on it — no trade until Article 370 abrogation is reversed. This was despite knowing that sugar, at that time, was not India’s but Pakistan’s essential need. But Imran Khan the prime minister wasn’t satisfied with Imran Khan the commerce minister on these decisions. Now imagine, the green signal came as a result of the ongoing backchannel talks between the two countries.

There was Indiaphobia, and then there was Modiphobia — Modi’s chest, Modi’s Covid-19 policy, Modi’s re-election, Modi meeting Nawaz Sharif secretly in Kathmandu, and now Modi’s foreign policy. The elitist jibes of “Small man in big office,” the unending sermons on the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), ‘knowing’ people in India, them knowing him — nothing was left out of the mix. And the rest of us? We apparently knew nothing. The anti-India rhetoric conveniently became a cover for running a failed government whose game would have been over if there was no ‘project internationalisation of the Kashmir cause’ and Covid-19 later on. India was a blessing in disguise for Imran Khan.

India, I love you, but why now?

It could still remain a blessing. Pakistani dictators, like the rest of the world, even in India, gain a lot of prominence. One can argue that an ‘authentic ruler’ from Pakistan will take centre stage. Even after leaving office, General Pervez Musharraf was much revered in Indian media, invited to conclaves as speaker, which gave him a bigger audience. Now Imran Khan also considers himself worthy of the same attention, no less than a tin-pot dictator himself. Here lies the method in this newfound love for India – his rehabilitation post-premiership. While at home, the questions on corruption cases keep increasing. So it is good to plan for the future, and what better future than where you can mint your past: I have friends, I have played cricket, I know India best. Forget that the recent past in policy doesn’t resonate. Till then, let’s keep harping on the idea that India takes no dictation from the world as if it were Pakistan’s success. Or is it?

This love for India remains a double-edged sword. On the one hand, Imran Khan signals how as the PM he was punished for pursuing a sovereign foreign policy, something that India does without the direct interference of its military. While he might be addressing the people, his actual target is the establishment. A Punjabi saying sums up Imran Khan’s strategy as a desi saas: “Kehna dhi nu sunana nunh nu (Reprimanding your daughter, while your daughter-in-law remains your real target).
 
"low standards", what an unfortunate choice of words.

Standards are lowered when one already wants to like something. A mother's standards are rock bottom when deciding her children's attractiveness.


Indians really should not bring up the subject of rape. Really.

Indian media is obsessed with money and TRP. pakistan is somewhere between Cricket and Road accident in Media "news worthy list".

You not only proved my point; you even boosted it. If there was no audience for Pakistan obsession, Indian media would not bother. So, by your own admission, the obsession with Pakistan is not limited to the Indian media; it dominates the Indian public. Pakistan lives rent free in the Indian public's minds.

Anyway, here is her latest take on IK.

I didn't bother reading the whole thing but it is no secret that Pakistanis admire India's astute foreign policy over the decades. Ironically, Modi is the first incompetent in a long line of smart Indian politicians.

The only reason the West humors India now is because it doesn't see India as a credible threat to its dominance, and it does see China as a contender at the super powers' table. The West considers India strong enough to be a thorn in China's side but not strong enough to challenge its own domination.

China's rise is the best thing that happened to India.
 
You not only proved my point; you even boosted it. If there was no audience for Pakistan obsession, Indian media would not bother. So, by your own admission, the obsession with Pakistan is not limited to the Indian media; it dominates the Indian public. Pakistan lives rent free in the Indian public's minds.

There is always an audience in India. India is 1.3 billion people strong.

And we are one of the most insular countries in the world. We consume foreign news like no other. Which is why you would find Indians knowledgeable in most global matters.

Pakistan is one among many, more relevant because its our neighbor and sponsors terrorism, less relevant because we already know everything we need to know about pakistan.

There is also news about Dawood, LeT and Hafiz saeed in India. Does that mean India is obcessed with them ?

These are the facts.

I didn't bother reading the whole thing but it is no secret that Pakistanis admire India's astute foreign policy over the decades. Ironically, Modi is the first incompetent in a long line of smart Indian politicians.

The only reason the West humors India now is because it doesn't see India as a credible threat to its dominance, and it does see China as a contender at the super powers' table. The West considers India strong enough to be a thorn in China's side but not strong enough to challenge its own domination.

China's rise is the best thing that happened to India.


US aided China's rise to contain USSR. Now Its aiding India to contain China. It is along expected lines for most Indians.

West has no choice but to work with India to contain china. They have created a Frankeinstine monster and now wants the villagers to gang up and deal with it.

The point Nilya made was about IK blowing hot and cold and how unreliable he is. His appreciation of Indian Foreign policy means nothing to anyone.
 
Lol where tf is this thread going?

It gets on topic but than go off topic after a while
 
It tells you what i am always saying
A good portion of educated people from central punjab support the concept that corruption made vietname, china, korea and japan (& now india & bengaldesh) into export manufacturing economic power houses

They think the solution for that is "khata hey tu lagata be hey"


I would buy this sure but none of the countries mentioned above applied concept of massive infrastruture builidng with 20-30% skimming on top...china did it but way later after it had enough revenues to do so..e.g we had lahore islamabad motorway at 1b$ built in 1992..first in asia..even today we are peoud that we did it before china or veitnam..but instead of being proud we should be ashmaed that we spent that much massive amount for builiding a motorway in 1992?
Hence why in 1990s people wouldnt even use it at midnight..

The same goes for 3b$ metro..sure a great project that we will be proud of 20yrs from now..? But is it as important as munda dam(which is half the cost?). Is it as important as bhasha dam(similar cost at 490b$, i.e non electrical part contracted)

The lack ofpirotities doomed paksitani economy and at fast glance it has nothing to do with corruption untill you realized how 20% skimming and money laundering works

I have to give it to my cousin a diehard PMLN supporter who explained it to me how it works..he does alot of contracts in nigeria as well..a country with more oil then arab countries and more corrupt than ours(or may be less after i see ayyan ali)




People of pakistan are xtremely optimistic
Hence why are doing great on happiness scale

Just feeling good doesnt mean you are doing good

It will great injustice if Allah Lift people who believe in corruption & slavery to any level of development..and God doesnt do injustice

خودی کو کر اتنا بلند
کہ ہر تقدیر سے پہلے
خدا بندے سے خود پوچھے
بتا تیری رضا کیا ہے

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE Now dont put a bleshphemy case on me..this is iqbal go arrest him
Crazy to think that you have a die-hard patwari in your family 😂
 
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