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Mirage 2000 is ground attack fighter, So it is not comparable to F16, but don't forget that same M2000(greek) brought down Turk's F16...

MiG29 SMT is neck to neck comparable to F16, Infact MiG29 was made to challenge F16... In close fight MiG29 will have edge, in BVR (American environment) F16 will have edge...

I WILL suggest you to watch a documentary on MiG29 (Made by American and East germans), The german and American claim MiG29 was far more superior than F16 (their words, not mine)...

I want concrete answers!And yes,I've read about the MiG 29 and F-16 shootouts too!
Also the Mirage(-5) is a multi role A/C and not just a bomber.Answer my last question too.
And a capability analysis of these A/C's vis-a-vis the Block-52's and MKI's would be helpful.
 
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Whats a third country Mig??
Arent the Migs Russian in the first place..
if you are alluding to downgraded systems..
I suppose the Yugoslav migs were downgraded as well?
and the Iraqi ones..

Or the East german migs that were tested again and again..

The MKI the F-22 of Asia?..
please.. there is a limit to being jingoistic.
Its a great plane.. there is no doubting that.. those that do are idiots.. but it isnt a complete game changer..

Well.. the col in the much hated by Indians video was one very experienced pilot.
But he boo boo'ed the MKI. how dare he..
Im starting to agree with Xeric....


Third world MiGs means, The MiGs operated by poor countries, who had no money to upgrade them, or who were in Embargo (Iraq/Bosnia/Serbia and so on). Due to which they couldn't upgrade their Migs... And they were facing USAF, most Advance AF in world...

Su27 Family: No matter how much you hate it, this is the best thing ASIA has... Su 27 Family with Awacs and good data bus (with better range missiles) ... A deadly combo... Just google for the number of TR module of MKI radar , you will come to know its potential...,...
 
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Okay I understand the discussion F16 vs Su30 Mki ( I'll admit I have very little knowledge on defense) but isn't it also about quantity? A quick search for the numbers I see that India has 142 MKI in service already and Pakistan has about 80 F-16's of different versions. Surely older F-16s can't match MKI's.

So my question is can one F-16 take on 3 MKI's?
 
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in the near future paf is going to modify f7pg with bvr. Jft , f16 and j10b all wil b bvrm equiped. I think f7pg with best piolts of the world is enough to deal with mki. As in the shaheen 1 exercise paf evaluted it against su27 and were fully confident to tackle mki. Mki has the best radar but the fact is that most of the indian piolts did nt fully aware to that radar. Sencondly mki caries a crew of 2. So more piolts are required so piolt quantity is doubled the quality of an indian piolt remains half then an average paf piolt.

any thing else ???? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Well my dear, the PAF certainly doesn't have the F-22 in it's inventory and I am certain it's not in the pipeline for the IAF.

We are talking IAF Vis A Vis PAF here.

ok you are talking about IAF vs PAF but according to your logic F16 is better than F22 ??
 
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"Syrian MiG-23s managed to shoot down at least five F-16s, two F-4Es, and a BQM-34 unmanned reconnaissance plane" Quote from wikipedia..

When Syrian MiGs can bring down Israeli?Ameriki F16, imagine what Russian and Indian MiGs can do....
Dont worry I will edit it to have downed 100 F-16s, 20 F-4Es and 13 BMQ and oh yeah 5 F-22s as well.....
btw here is a detailed list of IdAF kills over Arabs
Date Pilot Aircraft Tail No. Kill Country Notes Source
03-Jun-48 Modi Allon (Klivanski) Avia S 199 C-47 Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
03-Jun-48 Modi Allon (Klivanski) Avia S 199 C-47 Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
08-Jun-48 Gideon Lichtaman Avia S 199 Spitfire Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
10-Jul-48 Morris Mann Avia S 199 AT-6 Syria Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
18-Jul-48 Modi Allon (Klivanski) Avia S 199 Spitfire Egypt 'Afifi al Janzuri Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
23-Sep-48 Gideon Lichtaman Avia S 199 Rapide Jordan Civil Airliner Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
16-Oct-48 Rudi Carmi (Augarten) Avia S 199 Spitfire Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
19-Oct-48 Len Fitchett Beaufighter Fury Egypt Abu Zaid - Flew into the sea Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
21-Oct-48 Rudi Augarten (Carmi) Spitfire IX Spitfire Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
21-Oct-48 John Doyle Spitfire IX Spitfire Egypt Mukhtar Mahmud Sa'id Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
04-Nov-48 Boris Senior Spitfire IX C-47 Egypt Shared Claim - Amr Shakib Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
04-Nov-48 Rudi Augarten (Carmi) P-51D Shared Claim - Amr Shakib Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
17-Nov-48 Rudi Augarten (Carmi) Spitfire IX Spitfire Egypt Possible Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
20-Nov-48 Wayne Peak P-51D Mosquito Britain Eric Reynolds/Angus Love Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
22-Dec-48 Rudi Augarten (Carmi) Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Shalabi al Hinnawi Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
28-Dec-48 John Doyle Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Abd al Fatah Sa'id Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
28-Dec-48 Gordon Levett Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
28-Dec-48 Gordon Levett Spitfire IX Spitfire Egypt Possible Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
30-Dec-48 John Doyle Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Mustafa Kamal Abd al Wahab Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
30-Dec-48 John McElroy Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Khalif al Arusi Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
31-Dec-48 Denny Wilson Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
31-Dec-48 Denny Wilson Spitfire IX Spitfire Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
05-Jan-49 Simon Feldman Spitfire IX MC.205V Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
05-Jan-49 Boris Senior P-51D MC.205V Egypt Possible Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 Chalmers Goodlin Spitfire IX Spitfire Britain Geoff Cooper Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 John McElroy Spitfire IX Spitfire Britain Ron Sayers Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 John McElroy Spitfire IX Spitfire Britain Tim McElhaw Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 John Doyle P-51D MC.205V Egypt Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 Boris Senior P-51D MC.205V Egypt Possible Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
07-Jan-49 William Schroeder Spitfire IX Tempest Britain David Tattersfield Cull/Aloni/Nicolle
29-Aug-55 Mordechai Lavon Meteor F.8 Vampire Egypt Probable Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
01-Sep-55 Aharon Yoeli Meteor F.8 Vampire Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
01-Sep-55 Aharon Yoeli Meteor F.8 Vampire Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
12-Apr-56 David Kishon Ouragan Vampire Egypt Lufti Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
29-Oct-56 Yehoash Tsiddon/ Eliashiv "Shibbi" Brosh Meteor NF.13 Il-14 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
30-Oct-56 Yosef Tzuk Mystere IVA MiG-15 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
30-Oct-56 Dror Avneri Mystere IVA MiG-15 Egypt Possible Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Shai Egozi Mystere IVA Vampire Egypt Baghat Hassan Helmi Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Shai Egozi Mystere IVA Vampire Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Aharon "Yalo" Shavit Mystere IVA Vampire Egypt Mahmud Wael Afifi Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Aharon "Yalo" Shavit Mystere IVA Vampire Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Ya'acov Nevo (Millner) Mystere IVA MiG-15 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Ya'acov Nevo (Millner) Mystere IVA MiG-15 Egypt Mohammed Iwais Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
31-Oct-56 Nadav Margalit Mystere IVA MiG-15 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
20-Dec-58 Ya'acov Nevo (Millner) Mystere IVA MiG-17 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
28-Apr-61 Tzur Ben-Barak Super Mystere B2 MiG-17 Egypt Cull/Nicolle/Aloni
14-Jul-66 Yoram Agmon Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
15-Aug-66 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 25 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Nov-66 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ 84 Hunter Jordan Mawafak Salti Aloni
29-Nov-66 Michael Haber Mirage IIICJ 34 MiG-19 Egypt 1st R-530 Victory Aloni
29-Nov-66 Michael Haber Mirage IIICJ 34 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
07-Apr-67 Avi Lanir Mirage IIICJ 60 MiG-21 Syria Black Mirage Kill Aloni
07-Apr-67 Avner Slapak Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Apr-67 Ezra "Babban" Dotan Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Apr-67 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Apr-67 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Apr-67 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Apr-67 Benny Romah Mirage IIICJ 57 Shared Claim Aloni
05-Jun-67 Arnon Lavoshin (Lapidot) Mirage IIICJ 20? MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ 32 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Dan Sever Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 03? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 03? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Ezra "Babban" Dotan Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Giora Rom Mirage IIICJ 43 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Giora Rom Mirage IIICJ 66 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Giora Rom Mirage IIICJ 66 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ 59 Il-14 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Oded Sagee Mirage IIICJ 44? Hunter Jordan Aloni
05-Jun-67 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Yaacov Betzer Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Yitzhak Barzilay Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Meir Shachar Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
05-Jun-67 Ehud Hankin Mirage IIICJ 42 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Amnon Arad Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Amnon Arad Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Uri Gil Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
05-Jun-67 Uri Even-Nir Mirage IIICJ 45 Hunter Lebanon Aloni
05-Jun-67 119 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 Asaf Ben-Nun Mystere IVA MiG-17 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Ami Goldstein Mystere IVA MiG-17 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Mario Shaked Mystere IVA Hunter Jordan
05-Jun-67 David Yariv Ouragan MiG-21 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Aharon "Yalo" Shavit Super Mystere B2 MiG-21 Syria
05-Jun-67 Alexander Armon Super Mystere B2 Il-14 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Amiram Manor Super Mystere B2 Il-14 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Zvi Umshweif Super Mystere B2 Shared Claim
05-Jun-67 Zvi Burenstein Super Mystere B2 Il-14 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Chaim Rotem Super Mystere B2 MiG-17 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Shlomo Shapira Super Mystere B2 MiG-17 Egypt
05-Jun-67 Yirmiyahu Keidar Super Mystere B2 MiG-21 Syria
06-Jun-67 Ehud Hankin Mirage IIICJ Tu-16 Iraq Victory shared with AA battery
06-Jun-67 Amnon Arad Mirage IIICJ Shared Claim Aloni
06-Jun-67 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 56 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Oded Sagee Mirage IIICJ 66 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Oded Sagee Mirage IIICJ 03 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Yitzhak Barzilay Mirage IIICJ 73 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Baruch Friedman Mirage IIICJ 06 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Avshalom Ran Mirage IIICJ 77 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Giora Foreman Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Uri Ye'ari Mirage IIICJ 03 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Uri Shachar Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 45 MiG-21 Iraq Aloni
06-Jun-67 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 45 Hunter Iraq Aloni
06-Jun-67 Omri Afek (Hofman) Mirage IIICJ 20 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
06-Jun-67 Ben-Zion Zohar Vautour IIA 17 Hunter Iraq
07-Jun-67 Ezra "Babban" Dotan Mirage IIICJ Hunter Iraq Aloni
07-Jun-67 Gideon Dror Mirage IIICJ 60 Hunter Iraq Aloni
07-Jun-67 Giora Rom Mirage IIICJ 41 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
07-Jun-67 Giora Rom Mirage IIICJ 41 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
05-Jun-67 101 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
07-Jun-67 Yochai Richter Mirage IIICJ 34 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
07-Jun-67 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 09 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Ehud Hankin Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
08-Jun-67 Lev "Zorik" Arlozor Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Yossi Arazi Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ Il-28 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt
08-Jun-67 Reuven Rozen Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
08-Jun-67 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-19 Egypt Aloni
09-Jun-67 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
09-Jun-67 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
09-Jun-67 Avi Lanir Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
09-Jun-67 Ehud Hankin Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
09-Jun-67 Yoram Agmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt
Jun-67 Oded Shavitz? ? ? ?
Jun-67 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 ?
Jun-67 Yitzhak Peer Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 ?
Jun-67 Yitzhak Peer Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 ?
08-Jul-67 Avihu Ben-Nun Mirage IIICJ 41 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-Jul-67 Yoram Agmon Mirage IIICJ 81 Su-7 Egypt Muhammad Abd-al Rahman Aloni
15-Jul-67 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ 83? MiG-21 Egypt 1st Shafrir 1 Victory Aloni
15-Jul-67 Avihu Ben-Nun Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
15-Jul-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
15-Jul-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
15-Jul-67 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
15-Jul-67 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
15-Jul-67 Eliezer Prigat Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-Jul-67 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
10-Oct-67 Avihu Ben-Nun Mirage IIICJ 32 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
10-Dec-68 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
12-Feb-69 Uri Liss Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
24-Feb-69 Amnon Shamir Mirage IIICJ 56 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
24-Feb-69 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
24-Feb-69 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
03-Mar-69 Zuckerman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
08-Mar-69 Michael Tzuk Mirage IIICJ 14 MiG-21 Egypt Abed el-Baki Ahmed Hassan Aloni
14-Apr-69 Reuven Rozen Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-May-69 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ 03? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-May-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
21-May-69 Reuven Rozen Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-May-69 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ 68? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
29-May-69 Itamar Noiner Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Only Other Shafrir 1 Victory Aloni
20-Jun-69 ? Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
20-Jun-69 ? Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
24-Jun-69 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 19 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
26-Jun-69 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
26-Jun-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
26-Jun-69 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
02-Jul-69 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
02-Jul-69 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
02-Jul-69 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt 1st Shafrir 2 Victory ? Aloni
02-Jul-69 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Jul-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
07-Jul-69 Avi Keldes Mirage IIICJ 07 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Jul-69 Ran Goren Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Shlomo Weintraub (Navot) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Uri Even-Nir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Giora Foreman Mirage IIICJ 56 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Giora Foreman Mirage IIICJ 56 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Eitan Ben-Eliyahu Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jul-69 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
20-Jul-69 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 82 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
20-Jul-69 Giora Yoeli Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
20-Jul-69 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
22-Jul-69 Shlomo Weintraub (Navot) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt 1st Shafrir 2 Victory ? Aloni
24-Jul-69 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
24-Jul-69 Shmuel Gordon Mirage IIICJ 82 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
24-Jul-69 Michael Tzuk Mirage IIICJ 07 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
24-Jul-69 Ran Goren Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Shlomo Weintraub (Navot) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 59 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ 32? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ 82 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 50 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Avshalom Friedman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Sep-69 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-69 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 82 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-69 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 82 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-69 Menachem Sharon Mirage IIICJ 82 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-69 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
11-Nov-69 Uri Even-Nir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
11-Nov-69 Yair Sela Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Nov-69 Ehud Hankin/Eyal Ahikar F-4E 08 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Nov-69 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
27-Nov-69 Shlomo Weintraub (Navot) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Dec-69 Yitzhak Nir Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
11-Dec-69 Menachem Shmul Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
11-Dec-69 Uri Even-Nir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
1967-69 Yitzhak Peer Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 ?
1967-69 Yitzhak Peer Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 ?
1969-70 Yitzhak Peer/? F-4E MiG-21 ?
1969-70 Avraham Dosh Mirage IIICJ ? ?
1969-70 Avraham Ronen Mirage IIICJ ? ?
04-Jan-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
04-Jan-70 Itamar Noiner Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Jan-70 Shlomo Weintraub (Navot) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-70 Itamar Noiner Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-70 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
14-Jan-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
14-Jan-70 Omri Afek (Hofman) Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 ?
04-Feb-70 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
08-Feb-70 Ehud Hankin/? F-4E MiG-21 Egypt
08-Feb-70 Aviem Sela/Shabtai Ben-Shoa F-4E 126 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Feb-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 80 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
09-Feb-70 Avi Keldes Mirage IIICJ 57 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
26-Feb-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Egypt Sami Marei? Aloni
26-Feb-70 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Mar-70 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Mar-70 Yitzhak Peer/? F-4E 610 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Mar-70 Yitzhak Peer/? F-4E MiG-21 Egypt
16-Mar-70 Menachem Sharon Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
25-Mar-70 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
25-Mar-70 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
25-Mar-70 Menachem Sharon Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
25-Mar-70 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
25-Mar-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Mar-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
27-Mar-70 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
27-Mar-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
27-Mar-70 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Mar-70 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Mar-70 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Mar-70 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Mar-70 Arnon Lavoshin (Lapidot) Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
02-Apr-70 Avraham Gilad Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
02-Apr-70 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
02-Apr-70 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
02-Apr-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
25-Apr-70 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 58 Il-28 Egypt Aloni
25-Apr-70 Shmuel Hetz/Menachem Eini F-4E Il-28 Egypt Aloni
28-Apr-70 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ 83 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
28-Apr-70 Yitzhak Nir Mirage IIICJ 79 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
12-May-70 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ 19 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
12-May-70 Ezra "Babban" Dotan A-4 MiG-17 Syria
12-May-70 Ezra "Babban" Dotan A-4 MiG-17 Syria
14-May-70 Amos Amir Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-May-70 Reuven Rozen Mirage IIICJ 80 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-May-70 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 64 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-May-70 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
15-May-70 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-May-70 Omri Afek (Hofman) Mirage IIICJ 85 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
16-May-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
03-Jun-70 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
03-Jun-70 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
03-Jun-70 Itamar Noiner Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
03-Jun-70 Ran Ronen (Pecker) Mirage IIICJ 19 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
25-Jun-70 Eitan Peled/Moshe Goldwasser F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
26-Jun-70 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 53 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
26-Jun-70 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 47 MiG-17 Syria Shared Claim Aloni
26-Jun-70 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ Shared Claim Aloni
26-Jun-70 Ami Rockach Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
27-Jun-70 Menachem Eliyahu Mirage IIICJ Mi-4 Egypt Aloni
10-Jul-70 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
10-Jul-70 Moshe Hertz Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
10-Jul-70 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
10-Jul-70 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
27-Jul-70 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 34 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
27-Jul-70 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 34 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
30-Jul-70 Asher Snir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 USSR Aloni
30-Jul-70 Aviem Sela/Reuven Reshef F-4E 183 MiG-21 USSR Aloni
30-Jul-70 Avihu Ben-Nun/Shaul Levi F-4E 105 MiG-21 USSR Aloni
30-Jul-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 USSR Aloni
30-Jul-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 USSR Shared Claim Aloni
30-Jul-70 Yiftah Spector Mirage IIICJ 52 Shared Claim
13-Jun-72 Adi Benaya/Yosef Lev-Ari F-4E 673 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
13-Jun-72 Eitan Peled/Yoram Romem F-4E 633 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
09-Sep-72 Avihu Ben-Nun/Zvi Edan F-4E 183 Su-7 Syria Aloni
09-Sep-72 Ilan Auerbuch Mirage IIICJ 44 Su-7 Syria Aloni
09-Sep-72 Yoram Geva Mirage IIICJ 78 Su-7 Syria Aloni
09-Nov-72 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ 51 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
09-Nov-72 Tzvika Vered Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
09-Nov-72 Avi Lanir Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Yuval Neeman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Tzvika Vered Mirage IIICJ 79 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Ran Meir Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Amnon Gurion/Baruch Golan F-4E 643 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Amnon Gurion/Baruch Golan F-4E MiG-21 Syria
21-Nov-72 Ithamar Barnea/Yitzhak Baram F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Nov-72 Shamuel Ben-Rom/ Aharon Katz F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
02-Jan-73 107 squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 Shamuel Ben-Rom/Mordechai Ilani F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 David Drori/Nathan Peri F-4E 147 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 David Drori/Nathan Peri F-4E 147 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 Zvi Kanor/Zvi Tal F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 Yoram Geva Nesher 16 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
08-Jan-73 Eliezer Ya'ari Nesher 10 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Feb-73 Amnon Gurion/Itzchak Amitay F-4E 640 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Feb-73 "Y"/? F-4E 727-224 Libya
01-Mar-73 Amnon Gurion/? F-4E MiG-21 Egypt
13-Sep-73 Yiftah Spector/Micha Oren F-4E 184 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Yiftah Spector/Micha Oren F-4E 184 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Shlomo Egozi/Yossi Yavin F-4E 175 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ 79 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ 79 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Omri Afek (Hofman)/Chaim Katz F-4E 144 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Rafi Koren/Shimshon Rozen F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Amnon Arad/Shaul Levi F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Sep-73 Moshe Melnik/Chaim Barkan F-4E 125 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
06-Oct-73 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 59 Kelt Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Abraham Gilad Nesher Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Abraham Gilad Nesher Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Asaf Ben-Nun Nesher 15 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Menachem Shmul Nesher 03 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
06-Oct-73 Aharon "Yalo" Shavit Nesher Su-7 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher MiG-21 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher MiG-17 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Asaf Ben-Nun Nesher MiG-21 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
06-Oct-73 Yitzhak Nir Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt
06-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/Yosef Yavin F-4E 181 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/Yosef Yavin F-4E 181 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/Yosef Yavin F-4E 181 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/Yosef Yavin F-4E 181 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Danni Shaki/David Regev F-4E 122 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Danni Shaki/David Regev F-4E 122 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Danni Shaki/David Regev F-4E 122 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Zvi Tal F-4E 141 Kelt Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Zvi Tal F-4E 141 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Roy Manof F-4E 151 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Roy Manof F-4E 151 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Roy Manof F-4E 151 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Roy Manof F-4E 151 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Roy Manof F-4E 151 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Dubi Yoffe/Oded Poleg F-4E 230 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Ben-Ami Peri/Itzhak Amitai F-4E 609 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Ben-Ami Peri/Itzhak Amitai F-4E 609 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Ben-Ami Peri/Itzhak Amitai F-4E 609 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Ran Goren/Yossi Ye'ari F-4E Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Moshe Koren/Ilan Lazar F-4E Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Yonathan Ophir/Avikam Lif F-4E Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Eitan Peled/Abraham Ashael F-4E 671 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 Eitan Peled/Abraham Ashael F-4E 671 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
06-Oct-73 "N"/? F-4E MiG-17 Egypt
07-Oct-73 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 85? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Oct-73 David Tavor Nesher 93 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Oct-73 Avshalom Friedman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Avshalom Friedman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Ami Lahav Mirage IIICJ 32 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Ami Lahav Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Yuval Neeman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Yuval Neeman Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Daniel Shlaider Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Tzvika Vered Mirage IIICJ 07 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria
07-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ Hunter Iraq
07-Oct-73 Zvolon Amitzi/Gur Israeli F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Oct-73 Rafael Koren/Moshe Bartov F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Oct-73 Arnon Lavoshin (Lapidot)/Chaim Katz F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
07-Oct-73 Ze'ev Raz/Chaim Shachar F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
07-Oct-73 Joel Feldschuh/Meir Gur F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Shimcha Kelman Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Shimcha Kelman Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher 28 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher 03 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
08-Oct-73 Michael Katz Nesher 36 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Dan Sever Nesher 17 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 101 Squadron Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Michael Tzuk Nesher 65 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher Su-20 Syria Aloni
08-Oct-73 Giora Goren Nesher Su-20 Syria Aloni
08-Oct-73 Asaf Ben-Nun Nesher 12 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Eitan Carmi Nesher 93 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Eitan Carmi Nesher 93 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 85 Hunter Iraq Aloni
08-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 19? Hunter Iraq Aloni
08-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 19? Hunter Iraq Aloni
08-Oct-73 Yehoshoa Sheffer Nesher 10 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Ehud Ben-Amitai Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-21 Egypt
08-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim
08-Oct-73 Adi Dagan Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
08-Oct-73 Yoram Geva Nesher MiG-21 Syria
08-Oct-73 Eliezer Yiari Nesher MiG-21 Syria
08-Oct-73 Yiftah Spector/Roy Manof F-4E 172 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Eitan Ben-Eliyahu/Paltiel Barak F-4E MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Roni Holdai/Aran Cohen F-4E MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 Roni Holdai/Aran Cohen F-4E MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
08-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
09-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Tzvika Vered Mirage IIICJ 79 Mi-8 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ Mi-8? Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Herzl Bodinger Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Uri Liss Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Daniel Shlaider Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ Mi-8 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ Su-20 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Omri Afek/Ze'ev Ze'evi F-4E 142 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
09-Oct-73 Gil Regev/Eytan Shmueli F-4E MiG-21 Syria
10-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 51 Su-7 Syria Shared Claim Aloni
10-Oct-73 Uri Gil Mirage IIICJ 83 Shared Claim Aloni
10-Oct-73 Uri Gil Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Amos Shachar Nesher 06 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
10-Oct-73 Ehud Ben-Amitai Nesher Su-7 Egypt Aloni
10-Oct-73 Dror Avneri Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 07 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Yuval Neeman Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher Su-7 Egypt Aloni
10-Oct-73 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
10-Oct-73 David Tavor Nesher MiG-21 Egypt
10-Oct-73 Omri Afek (Hofman)/Zeev Zeevi F-4E MiG-21 Syria
10-Oct-73 Naftaly Maimon/Oded Poleg F-4E 122 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 Amnon Arad/Zvi Edan F-4E MiG-17 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 107 Squadron F-4E 110 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 119 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
10-Oct-73 69 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
11-Oct-73 Raanan Neeman Nesher 31 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Nesher 10 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 David Tavor Nesher 01 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 Ami Rockach Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
11-Oct-73 Ami Rockach Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
11-Oct-73 Eitan Peled/Amiram Talmon F-4E 620 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
11-Oct-73 107 Squadron F-4E 110 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Elisha Peri Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Elisha Peri Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Dan Sion Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Daniel Shlaider Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 21 Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 21 Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 21 Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Uri GIl Mirage IIICJ MiG-17? Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Uri GIl Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Amit Livni Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Itamar Noiner Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Ami Rockach Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Ami Rockach Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria
12-Oct-73 Avi Lanir Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-17 Syria
12-Oct-73 Gil Regev/Eitan Shamueli F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
12-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Yoni Arel F-4E 205 MiG-21 Iraq Aloni
12-Oct-73 107 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Reuven Rozen Nesher 14 Su-7 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Raanan Yosef Nesher 20 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 66 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ 71 Su-7 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Dan Sion Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Dan Sion Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Dan Halutz/Shimon Noi F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
13-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/Zvi F-4E 230 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 119 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Yoram Agmon/Daniel Whittmann F-4E 09 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
13-Oct-73 Gil Regev/Ilan Lazar F-4E Su-7 Syria Aloni
14-Oct-73 Asaf Ben-Nun Nesher 33 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Yosef Lavi Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher 24 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Menachem Sharon Nesher 24 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Uri Even-Nir Nesher Mirage V Libya
14-Oct-73 Amir Nahumi/David Regev F-4E 205 MiG-21 Egypt
14-Oct-73 Eitan Ben-Eliyahu/Amiram Talmon F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Yiftah Spector/Roy Manof F-4E 122 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Naftaly Maimon/Itzhak Raz F-4E 101 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Naftaly Maimon/Itzhak Raz F-4E 101 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 Shlomo Egozi/Yosef Yavin F-4E 230 MiG-17 Syria Aloni
14-Oct-73 Eitan Peled/Yehoar Gal F-4E 633 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 107 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 119 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
14-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-Oct-73 Yair Sela Nesher F-4E Israel Fracticide
15-Oct-73 Asher Snir/Aharon Katz F-4E 119 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-Oct-73 Ben-Ami Peri/Ilan Lazar F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
15-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
15-Oct-73 107 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 10 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 14 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Amir Yahel Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Yoram Geva Mirage IIICJ 51 Su-7 Syria Aloni
16-Oct-73 Dan Sever Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Amit Eshchar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Amit Eshchar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher MiG-21? Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Ilan Gonen Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Yaacov Gal Nesher Su-7 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Amos Bar Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
16-Oct-73 Yehuda Koren Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
16-Oct-73 Uri Liss Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria Aloni
16-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
16-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim
16-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-21 Egypt
16-Oct-73 Herzl Bodinger Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
16-Oct-73 Yoram Agmon/Daniel Whittmann F-4E 09 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
16-Oct-73 Gideon Yahalom/Chaim Rubinstein F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 Gideon Livni Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
17-Oct-73 Michael Tzuk Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
17-Oct-73 Amos Shachar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
17-Oct-73 Eitan Aderes Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
17-Oct-73 Amit Ben-Amitai Nesher MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 Eliezer Adar Mirage IIICJ 14 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 Eliezer Adar Mirage IIICJ 14 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
17-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-21 Syria Maneuver
17-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
17-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
17-Oct-73 Dror Harish Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
17-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Eliezer Lior F-4E MiG-21 Syria
17-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Eliezer Lior F-4E 147 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
17-Oct-73 Asher Snir/Chaim Katz F-4E 165 MiG-21 Syria Shared Claim Aloni
17-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Eliezer Lior F-4E 147 Shared Claim Aloni
18-Oct-73 Michael Tzuk Mirage IIICJ 86 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Gideon Dror Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Gideon Dror Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Dror Harish Nesher 65 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Dror Harish Nesher 65 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Gideon Livni Nesher 09 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Gideon Livni Nesher 09 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Gideon Livni Nesher 09 MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim Aloni
18-Oct-73 Raanan Yosef Nesher 10 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 11 Mi-8 Egypt Aloni
18-Oct-73 Amit Eshchar Nesher Mirage V Libya Aloni
18-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher Mirage V Libya Aloni
18-Oct-73 113 Squadron Nesher Mirage V Libya Aloni
18-Oct-73 101 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Dror Harish Nesher 31 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Moshe Hertz Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher Su-20 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher Su-20 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Uri Even-Nir Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Uri Even-Nir Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Menachem Eliyahu Nesher 24 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Menachem Eliyahu Nesher 24 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Gideon Livni Nesher 09 Su-20 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Gideon Dror Nesher 18 Su-20 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Raanan Yosef Nesher 10 MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 101 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Yitzhak Gat/Yitzhak Katz F-4E MiG-17 Syria Aloni
19-Oct-73 Roni Holdai/Itzchak Amitay F-4E 622 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
19-Oct-73 Eli Zohar/Beni Kiryati F-4E Su-7 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Asaf Ben-Nun Nesher 34 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Menachem Eliyahu Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Yoram Geva Nesher 88 Su-7 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Amiram Kalichman Mirage IIICJ 89? MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Eitan Aderes Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Yosef Lavi Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
20-Oct-73 Amir Yahel Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Uri Even-Nir Mirage IIICJ Mirage V Libya Aloni
21-Oct-73 Menachem Eliyahu Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yirmiyahu Keidar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yoram Geva Nesher 88 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yehoshoa Sheffer Nesher 76 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yaacov Gal Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 85 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 85 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Amos Shachar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
21-Oct-73 Uri Liss Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 Yochai Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 Dan Halutz/Yehoar Gal F-4E MiG-21 Syria
21-Oct-73 Nachum Merchavi/Mordechai Ilani F-4E 14? MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 Daniel Guri /Zvi Binyamini F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
21-Oct-73 201 Squadron F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 Michael Haber Nesher 65 MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim Aloni
22-Oct-73 Amos Shachar Nesher Shared Claim Aloni
22-Oct-73 Eitan Carmi Mirage IIICJ 51 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 Michael Tzuk Nesher 10 L-29 Egypt Aloni
22-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 09 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 Shlomo Levi Nesher 09 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 Moshe Shavit Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
22-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 Daniel Shlaider Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
22-Oct-73 144 Squadron Nesher L-29 Egypt Aloni
22-Oct-73 144 Squadron Nesher L-29 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Israel Baharav Mirage IIICJ 52 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Amiram Kalichman Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Amiram Kalichman Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Michael Avrahami? Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Michael Avrahami Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Ariel Cohen Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Giora Goren? Nesher MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Gideon Dror Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Abraham Gilad Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Ilan Gonen Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Ya'akov Richter Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 117 Squadron Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 144 Squadron Nesher MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Herzl Bodinger Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
23-Oct-73 Herzl Bodinger Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
23-Oct-73 Yigal Stavi/Eitan Shamueli F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Dan Halutz/Yehoar Gal F-4E 609 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Dan Halutz/Yehoar Gal F-4E 609 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 Moshe Melnik/Chaim Katz F-4E 162 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Gideon Sheffer/David Bankir F-4E 165 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
23-Oct-73 Roni Holdai/Yoram Romem F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
23-Oct-73 David Gal/David Regev F-4E 253 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Shlomo Erez Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Menachem Eliyahu Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Israel Baharav Nesher 25 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Israel Baharav Nesher 25 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Eliezer Ye'ari Nesher 11 MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim Aloni
24-Oct-73 Amit Eshchar Nesher MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Ilan Gonen Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Dan Sever Mirage IIICJ 51 MiG-21 Egypt Shared Claim Aloni
24-Oct-73 Michael Tzuk Mirage IIICJ 89 MiG-21 Egypt Aloni
24-Oct-73 Shmuel Gordon Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Egypt
06-Dec-73 Yiftach Shadmi/Meir Gur F-4E MiG-21 North Korea Aloni
06-Dec-73 Aharon Sagi/Chaim Katz F-4E MiG-21 North Korea Aloni
19-Apr-74 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
19-Apr-74 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
29-Apr-74 Herzl Bodinger Nesher 65 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
29-Apr-74 Gideon Livni Nesher 78 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
29-Apr-74 Yoram Agmon/Meir Gur F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
29-Apr-74 Ze'ev Raz/Abraham Baruch F-4E MiG-21 Syria Aloni
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
67-79 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
27-Jun-79 Moshe Melnik F-15A 663 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
27-Jun-79 Eitan Ben-Eliyahu F-15A 689 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
27-Jun-79 Joel Feldschuh F-15B 704 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
27-Jun-79 Yoram Peled F-15A 672 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
27-Jun-79 Gay Golan F-15A MiG-21 Syria Shared Claim Weiss & Koren
27-Jun-79 Shai Eshel Kfir C2 874 Shared Claim - Only Kfir Victory Weiss & Koren
24-Sep-79 Avner Nave F-15A 695 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
24-Sep-79 Avner Nave F-15A 695 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
24-Sep-79 Dedi Rozental F-15A 676 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
24-Sep-79 Israel (Relik) Shafir F-15A 692 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
24-Aug-80 Ilan Margalit F-15A 696 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
31-Dec-80 Yoav Stern F-15A 695 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
31-Dec-80 Yair Rachmilevitz F-15A 646 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
31-Dec-80 Yoram Peled F-15A MiG-21 Syria Not confirmed Weiss & Koren
31-Dec-80 Ran Granot/Zvi Erlich F-4E MiG-21 Syria Shared Claim Aloni
03-Feb-81 Benyamin Zinker F-15A 672 MiG-25 Syria Weiss & Koren
28-Apr-81 Rafi Raz F-16 112 Mi-8 Syria
28-Apr-81 Dov "Dubi" Yoffe F-16 Mi-8 Syria
14-Jul-81 Amir Nahumi F-16 219 MiG-21 Syria
29-Jul-81 Sha'ul Simon F-15A 673 MiG-25 Syria Weiss & Koren
03-Jan-82 119 Squadron RF-4E(S) 492 MiG-21 Iraq Shared Claim Aloni
119 Squadron RF-4E(S) 498 Shared Claim Aloni
10-Feb-82 Miki Lev F-15 MiG-21 Syria Not confirmed Weiss & Koren
01-Apr-82 Ze'ev Raz F-16 107 MiG-23 Syria
21-Apr-82 Ze'ev Raz F-16 MiG-23 Syra
21-Apr-82 Hagai Katz F-16 MiG-23 Syra
25-May-82 Amos Moher F-16 MiG-21 Syria
25-May-82 Amos Moher F-16 MiG-21 Syria
07-Jun-82 Offer Lapidot F-15A 658 MiG-23 Syria Bassam Hamshu? Weiss & Koren
08-Jun-82 Yoram Hofman F-15A 686 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
08-Jun-82 Moshe Melnik F-15A/C MiG-21 Syria
08-Jun-82 Sha'ul Schwartz/Reuven Solan F-15D 957 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
08-Jun-82 Sha'ul Simon F-15C 818 MiG-23 Syra Shared Claim Weiss & Koren
08-Jun-82 Dedi Rozental F-15C 832 Shared Claim Weiss & Koren
08-Jun-82 Shlomo Sas F-16 MiG-23 Syria
08-Jun-82 Avishai Kanaan F-16 MiG-23 Syria
08-Jun-82 Dov Opher F-16 MiG-23 Syria
09-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A 684 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A 684 MiG-21 Syria Not confirmed Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Israel (Relik) Shafir F-16A MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Israel (Relik) Shafir F-16A MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Gil Rapaport F-15A 658 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Avi Maor F-15C 646 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Avi Maor F-15C 646 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Ronen Shapira F-15A 684 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Ronen Shapira F-15A 686 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Moshe Melnik F-15C 802 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Moshe Melnik F-15C 802 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Oren Hampel F-15A 695 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Avishai Kanaan F-16 MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Roi Tamir F-16 MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Opher Einav F-16 MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Avi Lavia F-16 MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16 MiG-23 Syria
09-Jun-82 Yehuda Bavli F-16 ? Syria
09-Jun-82 Yehuda Bavli F-16 MiG-23 Syria Shared Claim
09-Jun-82 Eliezer Shakedi F-16 Syria Shared Claim
09-Jun-82 Eliezer Shakedi F-16 ? Syria
09-Jun-82 133 Squadron F-15 MiG-21 Syria Maneuver Weiss & Koren
09-Jun-82 133 Squadron F-15 MiG-21 Syria Maneuver Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Yoram Peled/Zvi Lipshitz F-15D 979 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Ben-Ami Peri/David Oakman F-4E 238 MiG-21 Syria Aloni
10-Jun-82 Joel Feldschuh F-15 MiG-21 Syria Not confirmed Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Avner Nave/Michael Cohen F-15D 957 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Avner Nave/Michael Cohen F-15D 957 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Avner Nave/Michael Cohen F-15D 957 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Benyamin Zinker F-15C 840 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Zvi Nadivi F-15C 848 SA.342L Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Gil Rapaport F-15C 828 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 No'am Canaani F-15C 802 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 No'am Canaani F-15C 802 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Sha'ul Schwartz/Uzi S. F-15B 708 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Yoram Hofman F-15C 848 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Miki Lev F-15D 955 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Yftach Shadmi F-15A 667 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-23 Syria
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-23 Syria
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A 678 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
11-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A 678 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
11-Jun-82 Offer Lapidot F-15A 646 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
11-Jun-82 Yftach Shadmi F-15C 840 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
11-Jun-82 Sha'ul Simon/Amir Chodorov F-15B 704 MiG-21 Syria Weiss & Koren
11-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Yehuda Bavli F-16 Su-22 Syria
11-Jun-82 Roi Tamir F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Israel (Relik) Shafir F-16A Su-22 Syria
11-Jun-82 Israel (Relik) Shafir F-16A Su-22 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 Su-22 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 SA.342L Syria
11-Jun-82 Rafi Raz F-16 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Rafi Raz F-16 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Rafi Raz F-16 MiG-21 Syria
24-Jun-82 Joel Feldschuh/Zvi Liphshitz F-15D 979 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
24-Jun-82 Joel Feldschuh/Zvi Liphshitz F-15D 979 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
Jun-82 Uri Gil F-16 ? Syria
Jun-82 Uri Gil F-16 ? Syria
Jun-82 Amos Bar F-16 ? Syria
Jun-82 Rani Falk F-16 MiG Syria
Jun-82 Rani Falk F-16 MiG Syria Shared Claim
79-82 Menachem Enian ? ? ?
31-Aug-82 Sha'ul Schwarz F-15C 821 MiG-25 Syria Shared with AAA Weiss & Koren
20-Nov-85 Avner Nave F-15C 840 MiG-23 Syria Weiss & Koren
20-Nov-85 Avner Nave F-15C 840 MiG-23 Syria Shared Claim Weiss & Koren
20-Nov-85 Yuval Ben-Zur/Ofer Patz F-15D 957 Shared Claim Weiss & Koren
24-May-01 ?/? AH-64A C-172 Lebanon Stephan Nikolian
Attributed Israeli Air Combat Victories
 
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All-green.. thou shalt not diss MKItabh bachan...

The whole article is a marketing ploy.. to get the MRCA.. which is intended for a PLA oriented policy.
But since things are moving all nicely with the Chinese.. lets bring up the usual hate-mattress the Pakistani's. and go to your government like Oliver twist..saying "please sir.. may I have some more".

Despite the jibe in the last line, you are more or less on track. The only difference is that its not to get MRCA (which is more or less done albeit the traditional Indian bureaucratic lethargy) but to increase the numbers from 126 to more in 250+ range..
 
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Booooooooo....

F16 have never faced Indian/Russian Migs.. They all fought against 3rd world country MiGs..

Just as well, since the F-86s and F-6s have in the past.......Blop....:azn:
@Su30MKI: test it... you will come to know why it is called F22 of Asia... :P

@Maneuver: I think Pilots are right person to talk bout it... :)

According to one IAF MKI Commander, WC W*********, who was once in UK for the JSCC, if he ever went into battle, he would prefer his old stead, the Mirage-2000. ;)
 
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Okay I understand the discussion F16 vs Su30 Mki ( I'll admit I have very little knowledge on defense) but isn't it also about quantity? A quick search for the numbers I see that India has 142 MKI in service already and Pakistan has about 80 F-16's of different versions. Surely older F-16s can't match MKI's.

So my question is can one F-16 take on 3 MKI's?

That can be answered by PAF member... :)... only 18 F16 are Block 52 standard.... rest are F16 A/B...
Specs of F16 A/B.... F16 A/B is no match ... so lets not discuss it...

It will be dangerous if Pakistan modify f7pg with bvr.. f7gp is copy of MiG21.. It is very potent machine.. Its Mach2.0 killer, It has small size, if it is coated with RAM, It will difficult to detect... F7pg with better radar and BVR is as good as F16 Block 30.... (I read it in some of the article..). There JFT is also good fighter, It is also comparable to F16 Block 30+...

JFT is better than F16 A/B but not better than F16 B52 (even Pakistani members had agree on it... )
 
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HAHAHA!! ^^^ this is about the funniest thing I've heard all week! It preety much confirms what we always new but Pakistanis were reluctant to admit. It seems the sale is just to keep the Pakistanis on-side in their WoT but without actually giving them much to use them for. And all the BS that they are for fighting te Taliban- come on! you don't need AMRAAMS and BVR and JHMCS and CFTs for that!!! + The fact that there are sealed componants that PAF cannot get access to and USAF personel have to inspect the planes every 6 months must be very worrying for PAF- no one has any idea what bugs lie within- GPS, trackers, kill switches etc. It seems the PAF were willing to agree to anything and everything so they could show of their flashy planes that are effectivly useless without Big Brother's say so! lol!

+ I just watched the Aroor report- it is utter BS. And utterly sensationalised for their own ends. IAF pilots being envious of their counterparts across the border??!! lol! The women clearly has NO idea what she's talking about.
 
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That can be answered by PAF member... :)... only 18 F16 are Block 52 standard.... rest are F16 A/B...
Specs of F16 A/B.... F16 A/B is no match ... so lets not discuss it...

It will be dangerous if Pakistan modify f7pg with bvr.. f7gp is copy of MiG21.. It is very potent machine.. Its Mach2.0 killer, It has small size, if it is coated with RAM, It will difficult to detect... F7pg with better radar and BVR is as good as F16 Block 30.... (I read it in some of the article..). There JFT is also good fighter, It is also comparable to F16 Block 30+...

JFT is better than F16 A/B but not better than F16 B52 (even Pakistani members had agree on it... )

Its interesting to see that you don't even consider F16 Bk15 a threat...and a BVR configured Mig21 (which your AF flys ) is a deadly machine...amazing!

Brother dogfights are not like computer games, where you press a BVR button and gets the victory...in most of the cases they end up in close air combat...don't live in dream, accept the reality.

Oh BTW soon after the TAI upgrade those Bk15 will be equivalent to Bk30...
 
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Mirage 2000 is ground attack fighter, So it is not comparable to F16, but don't forget that same M2000(greek) brought down Turk's F16...

MiG29 SMT is neck to neck comparable to F16, Infact MiG29 was made to challenge F16... In close fight MiG29 will have edge, in BVR (American environment) F16 will have edge...

I WILL suggest you to watch a documentary on MiG29 (Made by American and East germans), The german and American claim MiG29 was far more superior than F16 (their words, not mine)...

F-16 and Mig-29 are both agile and deadly fighters, however there is a reason that most of the pilots who have flown both aircraft are of the view that the F-16 is more potent.

The Mach and G number limits on both planes is similar but it does not indicate the parameters under which the max G limit, roll rate, sustained turn rate etc. can be reached.
Actually once the external fuel tank is jettisoned, a viper can pull 9Gs regardless of the Mach/airspeed, there was however a design limitation on Mig 29 (on the vertical stabilizers) which puts it under severe stress over 7Gs at greater than Mach 0.85 at a very wide range of altitude.
The F-16 has been reported to sustain higher Gs for a longer time and most of the pilots who have flown both aircraft reported that the turning rate of F-16 is better.
Actually the F-16s sustained turn rate is one of its most distinguishing characteristics.
The roll rate of Fulcrum also drops dramatically at low speeds when compared to an F-16.

There is a reason why F-16 is one of the most respected and agile dog fighters, it is because its design enables the pilot to push it to its limits under a very broad spectrum of conditions.
I am not downplaying the fulcrum and i am sure that experienced Mig-29 pilots can make life difficult for anyone, however the Viper retains its venom for WVR combat under a wider array of air combat scenarios.

Now the one thing that must have improved in the new Mig-29s is the handling (man to machine) which was quite ordinary in the earlier models especially compared to the really responsive F-16s.
The radar and other avionic attributes have also improved over the years.
Also the excellent WVR missiles of Mig-29 coupled with the HMS will give anyone a headache.
However, the F-16 has also seen tremendous improvements in radar, weapons, HMS, engines etc.

All in all the flying characteristics cannot evolve so much so as to render the F-16 inferior to Mig 29; that can only be done if the basic design is significantly altered which will render this argument moot anyways.
When we are talking about the airframe characteristics, I really do not think that Mig-29 enjoys an edge in WVR over a viper.

Coming to IAF vs PAF, it is the MKI that is the mainstay of IAF and no doubt it is one of the best fighters there is.
 
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