How should Pakistanis view the Mughals?

[El Sidd]

Punjabis were a martial people group unlike Sindhis.....

How would you define them as a race and what qualifies them for being martial?

When Qasim navigated Sindh, he was traversing across a civilisation. How do you fit Punjab in Sindh-Saraswati or Sind o Hind civilisation?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Punjab is an administrative area whose inhabitants formed an identity based on the region's ability to provide for mercenaries.

And the other day you were crying when @AgNoStiC MuSliM deleted your racist and anti-Punjab posts in another thread
Get a life, troll

 

[El Sidd]

And the other day you were crying when @AgNoStiC MuSliM deleted your racist and anti-Punjab posts in another thread
Get a life, troll

I don't think the posts have been deleted.

 

[Genghis khan1]

When did Muslims become majority in undivided Punjab?

Belittling Mughals is pretty dumb if you happen to be a Muslim. Without their forced conversion strategy, there would be no Pakistan and Bangladesh. And Hindu India would not have 350 million Muslims

I don’t buy forced conversation. If forced conversation was used, whole India would have been Muslim like what Christian did in Europe. but without the might of Mughal empire, very few people would have listen to messages of Islam. Saints wouldn’t be able to do their job.

 

[M. Sarmad]

When did Muslims become majority in undivided Punjab?

In the early twentieth century only (as per the 1901 census, Hindus and Sikhs outnumbered Muslims in Punjab)
Before that, there were more Non-Muslims in Punjab than Muslims

 

[Genghis khan1]

I see that some nationalists have divided opinions on Mughals

Pashtuns tribes of Pakistan were clearly in conflict with Mughals- that whole Pashto language of the jinns thing

Punjab I would say it's complicated on one hand we historically celebrated fights against the Mughals ( folk Vaar ballods, my grandpa had a collection dk where they are now)

On the other hand a bunch of Mughal Generals, wazirs, prime ministers, asminsitors, governor's came from the region

In my experience muhajjir populace consider Mughals as their own in every sense of the word to the point in the early decades of Pakistan, as a state for Muslims of South Asia we were supposed to be a successor state to the Mughals (like how Russian czars were to the Romans or Byzantines were to the Romans - it's not exactly a new concept but we're a republic not an empire, so I'd discourage people to think along those lines)

What "kinda" relationship should we have as a people, country with Mughals?
@M. Sarmad @hydrabadi_arab

Everything note worthy in Pakistan and Indian Muslim has to claim is the legacy of Mughal Empire. Art, culture, language, food even their conversation to Islam.

I understand Hindus asking such delusions questions but it amazes when Pakistanis or Muslims show such confusion just because Mughals were not from their village.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Everything note worthy in Pakistan and Indian Muslim has to claim is the legacy of Mughal Empire. Art, culture, language, food even their conversation to Islam.

I understand Hindus asking such delusions questions but it amazes when Pakistanis or Muslims show such confusion just because Mughals were not from their village.

you need to read more, especially non Mughalai things to make such grandiose statements

 

[M. Sarmad]

Everything note worthy in Pakistan and Indian Muslim has to claim is the legacy of Mughal Empire. Art, culture, language, food even their conversation to Islam.

This statement is factually incorrect

As for conversion to Islam, well, the major tribes of Western Punjab were already Muslims when Babur came to India in the sixteenth century... Shaikha Khokhar and his son Mustafa Jasrath Khokhar were local Muslim rulers of Punjab who fought against Babur's ancestors, including the notorious Tamerlane

 

[Genghis khan1]

I know you're a Mughal larp but you need to read more, especially non Mughalai things to make such grandiose statements

These are facts, you whole existence that differentiates you from cow cola vegetarian panjeet are the Mughals. Down to you eating Baryani. If you are still in doubt, go live in India amongst Pajeets and ring their ghantas.

 

[El Sidd]

Everything note worthy in Pakistan and Indian Muslim has to claim is the legacy of Mughal Empire. Art, culture, language, food even their conversation to Islam.

I understand Hindus asking such delusions questions but it amazes when Pakistanis or Muslims show such confusion just because Mughals were not from their village.

Ahem !!

Sindh only saw a 100 year odd Mughal rule, not much unlike the 100 odd years of the Raj.

Although the impact of both Mughal and British rule in Sindh can be of much academic significance but it will always be academic not fundamental as to areas which remained under Mughal rule much longer.

These are facts, you whole existence that differentiates you from cow cola vegetarian panjeet are the Mughals. Down to you eating Baryani. If you are still in doubt, go live in India amongst Pajeets and ring their ghantas.

They serve Biryani at the Shrine and ring the bells too in Multan or Lahore. The Pakistani identity is a phenomenon resulting in the biggest demographic change documented in human history. The democratic principles of the Pakistan movement offers the Pakistani identity a wealth much greater than Mughals or mightier than the English crown.

 

[iamnobody]

In the early twentieth century only (as per the 1901 census, Hindus and Sikhs outnumbered Muslims in Punjab)
Before that, there were more Non-Muslims in Punjab than Muslims

Now tell that to @Maula Jatt , who claimed that Muslims had become the majority in undivided Punjab in the 16th century itself.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Ahem !!

Sindh only saw a 100 year odd Mughal rule, not much unlike the 100 odd years of the Raj.

Although the impact of both Mughal and British rule in Sindh can be of much academic significance but it will always be academic not fundamental as to areas which remained under Mughal rule much longer.

Islam was introduced to Sindh during Arab invasion, all the way to south Punjab. But those were temporary gains. Indeed their were multiple invasion afterwards and Delhi sultanate in north but only Mughals were able to create an Empire that is even Part of High-school history books in the US.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Now tell that to @Maula Jatt who claimed that Muslims had become the majority in undivided Punjab in 16th century itself

Muslims had become a majority in the (Pakistani) Punjab region in the 16th century

 

[Genghis khan1]

Ahem !!

Sindh only saw a 100 year odd Mughal rule, not much unlike the 100 odd years of the Raj.

Although the impact of both Mughal and British rule in Sindh can be of much academic significance but it will always be academic not fundamental as to areas which remained under Mughal rule much longer.



They serve Biryani at the Shrine and ring the bells too in Multan or Lahore. The Pakistani identity is a phenomenon resulting in the biggest demographic change documented in human history. The democratic principles of the Pakistan movement offers the Pakistani identity a wealth much greater than Mughals or mightier than the English crown.

All those taste food and kabobs were developed in the by Mughal’s chefs. Indian crap. Afghans and Iranian food don’t come close. Their food is rudimentary. Pakistani food is much much evolve. Thanks to Mughal chefs.

 

[El Sidd]

Islam was introduced to Sindh during Arab invasion, all the way to south Punjab. But those were temporary gains. Indeed their were multiple invasion afterwards and Delhi sultanate in north but only Mughals were able to create an Empire that s even Part of High-school history books in US.

Qassem could only go as much north. He landed to deal with a specific problem of military nature. An outpost once established, relieved pressure from the trading routes.

Islam entered Sindh on the backs of camel traders. It pierced the heart of India with its overpowering message of Monotheism not documented for atleast 5000 Years in the region.