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How The US Navy Lost The Shipbuilding Race to Chinese Navy

I don't need to consider anything. Especially anything you say. :lol:

All you're doing is pulling up facts to support your opinion, the same opinion which was a couple of posts ago jumping up and down. Now you're trying to make China look like a underdog??

What happened to the ship building capacity of China?? Won't there be a million Chinese ships in 2050 vs 100 US ships? :D

In the end, the US will continue to dominate the seas. It has been working on the Chinese Navy way before 2016, which as you mentioned, was when China started building up.

China can make a 1,000 ships, it won't matter as long as the US continues to dominate the Air & Space.
As I said counting ship number in peacetime is misleading sometimes dangerous. It can lead to miscalculation. At the end of the day we unfortunately have to count the deaths. Ming China attacked Vietnam with 1,000 ships. And lost. We fielded 1,000 ships too when heading to battles.
 
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As I said counting ship number in peacetime is misleading sometimes dangerous. It can lead to miscalculation. At the end of the day we unfortunately have to count the deaths. Ming China attacked Vietnam with 1,000 ships. And lost. We fielded 1,000 ships too when heading to battles.

Bingo. One of the more sensible posts on this thread. :D
 
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Currently happening and in the future but not active fleet??

So you mean that tomorrow if the US and China fight a war....all the ships being made currently and in the future won't matter?? :lol:

So why is this a big deal in the first place?? Why're actual fanboys (I'm not one, just putting things in perspective) jumping up and down when the US is also building ships, subs and air craft carriers as we speak??


The US is just banks and firms??

One is a country which has been in warfare since it came into being since 1776.....another is a country formed after WWII which has no, literally no experience, fighting a peer after it was born in the sea.

The USN dominates the world and in the SCS. It'll continue to do that. Fighting ships is ships is what amateurs do.

Warfare is all about countering stuff with other stuff, not similar stuff. Your typical low level responses on here along with those of your kin tell me you guys don't even know what you're talking about.

Try not to waste my time again. :rolleyes:

I'm talking about Shipbuilding race between both country.

With U.S. Navy continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls and falls further behind :enjoy:

Meanwhile, Chinese keep building their Warships at unprecendented rate.

In 2025 only, they will have :

5 Aircraft Carriers (2 STOBARS, 3 EMALS)

2 Medium Carriers (Type 076 LHA Equipped with EMALS)

8 Assault Carriers (Type 075 LHD)

16 Landing Platform Dock (Type 071 LPD)

16 Cruisers (8 Type 055, 8 Type 055A)

62 Destroyers (45 Type 052 D/DL/E, 6 Type 052C, 2 Type 051C, 2 Type 052B, 1 Type 051B, 4 Sovs, 2 Type 052)

80 Frigates (20 Type 057, 50 Type 054A, 2 Type 054, 8 Type 053H3)

72 Corvettes (22 Type 056A, 50 Type 056A)

60 Missile Boats (Type 022)

12 SSBN (6 Type 096, 4 Type 094A, 2 Type 094)

18 SSN (8 Type 095, 1 Type 093B, 6 Type 093A, 3 Type 093)

67 SSK/SSBK (18 Type 039C, 14 Type 039B, 4 Type 039A, 12 Kilo, 13 Type 039, 5 Type 035B, 1 SSBK Type 032)


:smokin:

Soon in the near future, Chinese Battle Fleet will beat the US.

For US to expand their Shipbuilding capacity would be very hard & very expensive.
Because Commercial Shipbuilding in the US basically non-existent at this moment.
Meanwhile, China is the leader in Commercial Shipbuilding :tup:



Don't wasting my time with your fanboy trolling posts
 
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I'm talking about Shipbuilding race between both country.

With U.S. Navy continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls and falls further behind :enjoy:

Meanwhile, Chinese keep building their Warships at unprecendented rate.

In 2025 only, they will have :

5 Aircraft Carriers (2 STOBARS, 3 EMALS)

2 Medium Carriers (Type 076 LHA Equipped with EMALS)

8 Assault Carriers (Type 075 LHD)

16 Landing Platform Dock (Type 071 LPD)

16 Cruisers (8 Type 055, 8 Type 055A)

62 Destroyers (45 Type 052 D/DL/E, 6 Type 052C, 2 Type 051C, 2 Type 052B, 1 Type 051B, 4 Sovs, 2 Type 052)

80 Frigates (20 Type 057, 50 Type 054A, 2 Type 054, 8 Type 053H3)

72 Corvettes (22 Type 056A, 50 Type 056A)

60 Missile Boats (Type 022)

12 SSBN (6 Type 096, 4 Type 094A, 2 Type 094)

18 SSN (8 Type 095, 1 Type 093B, 6 Type 093A, 3 Type 093)

67 SSK/SSBK (18 Type 039C, 14 Type 039B, 4 Type 039A, 12 Kilo, 13 Type 039, 5 Type 035B, 1 SSBK Type 032)


:smokin:

Soon in the near future, Chinese Battle Fleet will beat the US.

For US to expand their Shipbuilding capacity would be very hard & very expensive.
Because Commercial Shipbuilding in the US basically non-existent at this moment.
Meanwhile, China is the leader in Commercial Shipbuilding :tup:



Don't wasting my time with your fanboy trolling posts

Man......you wanna keep embarrassing yourself huh?

5 carriers by 2025?? :lol:

The US already has 11 aircraft carriers. It has planned for additional 10 to replace 10 out of 11.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy#Fleet_totals

Moving on, it plans to add a Amphibious Assault ship and a transport dock along with 10 SSK subs, 1 BM sub, 3 frigs and 9 destroyers. It has some more ships on reserve too. One reason why it isn't building up it's Navy is because it already has a quality and quantity edge over the Chinese Navy in terms of bigger and better ships.

Are where are you pulling the numbers for the rest of the ships in the Chinese Navy???

One thing about you Indonesian fanboys of Chinese is that you never have a source. I need a source on that or this might just be a wish list you just made. :lol:
 
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Looks like China's Third Aircraft Carrier Construction (Type 003 CVBG) is in full swing :tup:

This photo - allegedly taken on 23rd October - shows, the Flight Deck is already Closed and the Waist Catapult (EMALS) is now also Covered due to Installation work

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Image via 東風 EastWind/@eastwind6699




The Fourth Type 055 Cruiser (13,000 Tonnes) also already finished the Sea trial, and will be Commisioned to China's Navy next month (November 2021) as DDG-106 PLANS Yan'an for Southern Theater Navy

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Also will be Commisoned in the same time (November 2021) are Amphibious Ready Group LHD-32 PLANS Guangxi (40,000 Tonnes) for Eastern Theater Navy

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And another one just put Commisioned yesterday (25th October) Haixun 09 (10,000 Tonnes) for China's MSA

The different between China Coast Guard (CCG) and China MSA is China Coast Guard under Central Military Command meanwhile China MSA under their Civilian Government.
Both have same job, to Protect & Guard Chinese SLOC (Sea Lines of Communication). CCG tend to goes to Hot zone area (First line defence), meanwhile MSA tend to goes to Calmer area (Second line defence)

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I'm talking about Shipbuilding race between both country.

With U.S. Navy continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls and falls further behind :enjoy:

Meanwhile, Chinese keep building their Warships at unprecendented rate.

In 2025 only, they will have :

5 Aircraft Carriers (2 STOBARS, 3 EMALS)

2 Medium Carriers (Type 076 LHA Equipped with EMALS)

8 Assault Carriers (Type 075 LHD)

16 Landing Platform Dock (Type 071 LPD)

16 Cruisers (8 Type 055, 8 Type 055A)

62 Destroyers (45 Type 052 D/DL/E, 6 Type 052C, 2 Type 051C, 2 Type 052B, 1 Type 051B, 4 Sovs, 2 Type 052)

80 Frigates (20 Type 057, 50 Type 054A, 2 Type 054, 8 Type 053H3)

72 Corvettes (22 Type 056A, 50 Type 056A)

60 Missile Boats (Type 022)

12 SSBN (6 Type 096, 4 Type 094A, 2 Type 094)

18 SSN (8 Type 095, 1 Type 093B, 6 Type 093A, 3 Type 093)

67 SSK/SSBK (18 Type 039C, 14 Type 039B, 4 Type 039A, 12 Kilo, 13 Type 039, 5 Type 035B, 1 SSBK Type 032)


:smokin:

Soon in the near future, Chinese Battle Fleet will beat the US.

For US to expand their Shipbuilding capacity would be very hard & very expensive.
Because Commercial Shipbuilding in the US basically non-existent at this moment.
Meanwhile, China is the leader in Commercial Shipbuilding :tup:



Don't wasting my time with your fanboy trolling posts

China should aim for surpassing the usa by 2025 in navy and elsewhere. For China's national security.
 
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Thank you for the amusement.
I never laugh so uncontrollably for such a long time.

Example: USN going to replace 10 out of the 11 Aircraft Carriers today.

Assuming it is true, so when will they complete the task?
2100???
Let not even bother ourselves with the hyperinflationary cost of contruction in USA.

IMO it will be better if USN outsourced the construction to Chinese shipyards.

BTW by 2100, Aircraft carrier will be built only as Amusement Platform.

China has shown the way to the future by successfully tested a space vehicle recently.
 
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The 21st century has not been kind to the U.S. Navy’s vast surface fleet. In an effort to leap ahead of other navies through revolutionary designs and technologies, the Navy has instead fallen significantly behind, accepting into service ships that struggle to even “float, move, and fight”—the basic functions of the most rudimentary warship. Ship classes have been cut, and many vessels have been retired early, while others wait years for repairs. These include supposedly cutting-edge vessels that were meant to be the backbone of the current and near-future fleet.

The failures are legion and the details excruciating—to taxpayers and even more so to Navy planners: The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) was meant to offer the U.S. Navy a way to take the fight close to hostile coasts. The Navy imagined a Swiss Army knife-style vessel, with mission packages swapped in and out as needed. Yet the LCS manages to combine a lack of firepower with serious defensive vulnerabilities and routine mechanical breakdowns. Two key systems—to counter mines and submarines—have never become operational. LCS costs doubled during construction, the original class size of 52 was cut to 35, and the Navy is retiring the lead ships after just a dozen years of service.

Or consider the massive, futuristic Zumwalt-class stealth destroyer. Only three of an originally planned 32 ships are going to be built. Some estimates have the all-in costs for the Zumwalt at $7 billion per ship—more expensive than the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers they might be expected to escort. The ship’s main armament, a new technology called a railgun, doesn’t work and would not have been of much use in a maritime conflict with China anyway. In mid-2021, the railgun was effectively canceled.

Then there’s the Ford. Though a varsity athlete at the University of Michigan, U.S. President Gerald Ford was known for physical stumbles, and his namesake nuclear-powered vessel, a long-awaited replacement for the workhorse Nimitz-class carrier, has unfortunately followed in his missteps. The overly ambitious design includes new propulsion, a buggy magnetic catapult, a new aircraft arresting system, a new primary radar, and advanced weapons elevators. Each new technology has had extensive problems, cost overruns, and delays. The Navy issues a news release every time it gets one of the ammunition elevators to work.

Over the past 20 years, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has issued roughly 40 reports or testimonies on problematic ship types. Less attention has been paid to the totality of the problem as well as its origins and common symptoms. Together, the many failures constitute a lost generation of shipbuilding, leaving the Navy unready at a time when China has already built the world’s biggest fleet, with more hulls splashing off its slipways every year. Given that tensions with China may only worsen—potentially spilling over into outright conflict—the United States needs to take better stock of how it got into this mess.



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China’s first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning (right), arrives in the waters off Hong Kong on July 7, 2017. ANTHONY WALLACE/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES


The failures in new platforms and technologies were self-induced, unforced errors. They didn’t occur as the United States was trying to match a rival or play catch-up to another power. They came, in part, as a result of hubris—an unrivaled belief in the country’s power of rapid innovation.
One key turning point came in 1991 during Operation Desert Storm. That lightning victory was perceived not only as a success for coalition forces but for U.S. industry and technology—a star-studded debut of new weapons systems that had been decades in the making. Naval planners were dazzled by the new technology; they figured that by incorporating more revolutionary capabilities into their shipbuilding, they could build fewer hulls with smaller crews. This was particularly enticing at the time, as the end of the Cold War had seen a peace dividend that included the drawing down of the Reagan-era 600-ship fleet.


A decade later, in 2001, Donald Rumsfeld was sworn in as U.S. defense secretary, obsessed with technological revolution. He pushed for radical change. Early on in the development of the Ford, he overruled the Navy’s preference for taking a slow, evolutionary approach to developing the Nimitz’s successor, deciding the plans were not sufficiently transformational. Instead, he forced through a program that tried to pull together various revolutionary (and untested) technologies. The result: Some 20 years later, the ship has still not deployed. “The Navy embraced technology for technology’s sake,” said Rep. Elaine Luria, the vice chair of the House Armed Services Committee and a veteran surface warfare officer whose congressional district includes the massive Norfolk Naval Shipyard and Naval Station Norfolk.

Together, the many failures constitute a lost generation of shipbuilding.

One challenge was trying to design and deploy new shipboard technologies while at the same time building a new ship. Earlier cutting-edge technologies like vertically launched missiles and the AN/SPY-1 radar—core to the Ticonderoga– and Arleigh Burke-class surface ships—received extensive testing and development both onshore and at sea before they were ever installed in operational warships. This previous practice of “de-risking” meant that if a single technology failed, it failed alone. When, on the other hand, a technology fails aboard a warship that has been handed over to the Navy, the interdependence of systems means the entire ship is rendered nonoperational.

“Whole programs were premised on the introduction of new technologies that will need to work while designing the program not knowing if those technologies will actually work,” said Shelby Oakley, a director for contracting and national security acquisitions at GAO, describing flaws in the LCS and Zumwalt.

The results across all three types of vessels were the same: massive cost overruns and ships with reduced capabilities delivered late and incomplete. In the case of the LCS, the original plan was that industry would produce two different designs—prototypes that would serve as research and development vessels—and the Navy would select one. Instead, the Navy kept both test designs, and they went into production as is, deemed good enough.

The decades of U.S. shipbuilding failures were long masked by the absence of any near-peer fleet. But today, the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) has concluded that China has the largest navy in the world—by the end of 2020, it had an estimated 360 battle force ships, compared with 297 for the United States. ONI projects that China will have 400 battle force ships by 2025 and 425 by 2030. More worrisome for U.S. planners: Chinese warships are increasingly capable, reducing the quality gap that is the traditional wellspring of U.S. confidence as it contemplates emerging adversaries.


The U.S. Navy now faces contradictory demands. On the one hand, Congress and others are telling it to heed the lessons of recent catastrophes and take a more incremental approach to ship and technology design, procurement, and testing. Yet it also faces congressional pressure to get a significantly larger battle force—in a hurry. That may explain the cognitive dissonance that continues to define naval planning.

For five years, the Navy has lived with the order, codified into law, to increase its fleet to 355 ships. In mid-2021, the Biden administration announced a fuzzy successor to this number, calling for 321 to 372 manned ships. At the same time, the administration and the Defense Department have sounded the alarm on the growing threat posed by China in virtually every domain, with outgoing and incoming Indo-Pacific commanders saying that China may take military action against Taiwan within the next six years. Yet the Navy’s latest budget doesn’t come close to enabling a shipbuilding program that would meet even the lower range of government targets.


The result is a Navy that continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls for a lack of repair capacity and falls further behind not just China but relative minnows like Italy and Finland, which have successfully introduced new, robust ship types that the United States has spent decades vainly trying to build. “While the Navy has expended lots of calories on attempts at LCS improvements with little to show for its efforts, other nations have continued to move forward fielding smaller, better, and more capable frigates and corvettes,” said Chris Bassler, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments who previously held a leadership role at the Navy’s Directorate for Innovation, Technology Requirements, and Test and Evaluation.

The U.S. Navy continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls and falls further behind.

U.S. problems stem in part from the way the Navy designs ships. Post-Cold War cuts led to a slowdown in new shipbuilding across the board, and as a result, ailing private industry lobbied the Clinton administration to take on more engineering and design work, a function historically performed in-house by the Navy. Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) and its associated labs had earlier designed successful ships like the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and the Wasp-class amphibious assault ships. Then, seeking cost savings in the late 1990s, the Navy reduced this in-house naval architecture and engineering staff by 75 percent, from roughly 1,200 to 300.

But perhaps the biggest contrast with China right now is shipbuilding capacity. While China has dozens of big shipyards that can build both warships and big commercial vessels, there are only seven yards in the United States that can build major warships. That dearth of capacity has several effects. With newer classes constantly in the shop for repairs, some ships sit at pier for years before being seen to. Late in 2020, the Navy decided to scrap the $4 billion Bonhomme Richard, a big-deck amphibious assault ship that had suffered an internal fire while docked in San Diego, in large part because the industrial base was stretched too thin to be able to handle the reconstruction needed.

For decades, the number of public and private yards has been shrinking, resulting in little competition and reduced capacity. Yards won’t invest in infrastructure without orders on the books, and without a steady flow of orders, builders lose skilled workers, know-how, and subcontractors. Unlike in China, there’s little commercial shipping to fall back on to keep the U.S. shipbuilding base afloat; around 90 percent of all commercial ships today are built in South Korea, Japan, and China.

And there aren’t enough drydocks, especially if the Navy gets serious about expanding the fleet. The infrastructure is old and in poor shape: Norfolk Naval Shipyard’s Drydock Number One has been in use since 1833—it refitted the Civil War-era ironclad USS Merrimack. The newest drydock at the four Navy-run shipyards was completed in 1962. As it is, it would take almost 20 years to work through the Navy’s current maintenance backlog.


What can be done? Some think Washington should throw more money at the problem by, for example, increasing the Navy’s budget—moving away from the traditional “rule of thirds” division of budget resources among the Army, Air Force, and Navy. Another fix would be to rebuild NAVSEA’s in-house engineering and design capabilities. At the very least, critical subsystems need to be successfully prototyped before being integrated into a ship’s design. And there should be more discipline before formally launching a new shipbuilding program, ensuring that every new technology has been rigorously assessed.
But just as a slow-moving aircraft carrier generates tremendous forward momentum, the U.S. planning and budgetary process becomes hard to steer or stop once it gets going, especially when funds are already flowing to a new ship class. Add the fact that profit-pursuing private shipyards have an outsized say in the design and building of new vessels, and you have a recipe for disaster.

A straightforward fix—though difficult with annual budget assessments—would be to ensure accurate, long-term shipbuilding plans. Such plans would allow industry to make investments, hire and train workers, and build capacity. The Navy also needs to direct and work more closely with industry to help it better understand the mission the Navy wants to meet. That would ultimately lead to cost savings and efficiencies, as more ships of a given class roll off the slipways, and would keep the industrial base humming.

Potential solutions to the Navy’s shipbuilding woes should have appeal to both foreign and domestic policy agendas. The Biden administration believes that the United States must blunt China’s ambitions—across the political, economic, and cultural spectrum—by building its strength at home and working with allies abroad. And if the U.S. government wants to counter China’s industrial investment and manufacturing capacity, pursue better R&D, and employ more skilled workers, where better to start than the nation’s shipyards?

In the meantime, after more than two decades of failure, the U.S. Navy is turning to stopgap measures and holy grails—with little prospect of a bigger or stronger fleet in the near future, when the China challenge is likely to become more acute. In 2020, when the Navy selected the winning bid for the new FFG(X) guided missile frigate, it was based on an Italian design and was less technologically ambitious than the recent failed classes. It has also modernized the venerable Arleigh Burke to remain the staple of the surface fleet until a new guided missile destroyer program, launched this summer, pays dividends with a brand-new surface combatant.

But none of the short-term fixes can patch decades of failure to keep the Navy in trim. Promised warships decades ahead of their time, American sailors instead are left to go into harm’s way with ships from decades past. U.S. policymakers need to own up to that—and fix it.




Alexander Wooley is a journalist and former officer in the British Royal Navy.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/1...-sea-power-failure-decline-competition-china/


A very Good & Deep analysis about How US Navy Lost Shipbuilding Race to Chinese Navy :tup:








One key note : It's because US have Profit-pursuing private shipyards & Loss of Commercial Shipbuilding.
Unlike China that have very Efficient SOE Shipyards & Major Player in Commercial Shipbuilding (More than 50% of World Commercial Shipbuilding Orders goes for Chinese Shipyards)

Reference :
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https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231161.shtml?id=11
@Title,

I seriously hope it is true. Atleast working with Chinese is better than working with goras.
 
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The quality of USN warship is so good that they decommissioned their 21th century future warship Littoral Class warship after it broke down being pursued and paced by PLAN 054A frigate in SCS. Damaged gearbox and engine. Now reassigned to the US Coastguards.

And how many folks in here knew that the hull of the Arleigh Burke destroyers are constructed using aluminium and steel.

The USD3.5 billion SN-22 USS Connecticut commissioned in 1998 supposely construction using US super high quality HY-130 high tensil steel is damaged after being strike by an unknown inferior quality ramming vessel forcing it to surface.

There were also unsubstantiated report that SSN electronic devices were jammed and the submarine lost its direction and slammed into China inferior submarine trap.

No wonder China inferior quality warships are occasionally ramming high quality US warships.


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Dominating means able to compel others to obey you through use of force.

But multiple countries are outright defying the tyranny and no force has even been attempted against them.

There is no one defying the US in SCS or in any ocean of the world. All China can do is build up islands in the SCS to push it's claim on the waters. No one believes in those claims other than China.

All of China's neighbors from Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia and others have claims in the SCS.

Not to mention the constant US, Nato and Quad patrols in the area. I used the word "dominates" in the context that no one can go toe to toe with the US.

The US Navy is currently the best and one of the largest most successful navies in the world. It's history is littered with victories across the world.

When did the Chinese Navy win major victories?? Like 300-500 years ago? :D
 
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There is no one defying the US in SCS or in any ocean of the world. All China can do is build up islands in the SCS to push it's claim on the waters. No one believes in those claims other than China.

All of China's neighbors from Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia and others have claims in the SCS.

Not to mention the constant US, Nato and Quad patrols in the area. I used the word "dominates" in the context that no one can go toe to toe with the US.

The US Navy is currently the best and one of the largest most successful navies in the world. It's history is littered with victories across the world.

When did the Chinese Navy win major victories?? Like 300-500 years ago? :D

Fanboy hoorah again :D

US afraid to stop Chinese building of Military Bases across SCS, because they know their Naval asset inside First island chain would be sitting duck.

Not only US afraid to stop Chinese Navy building Military bases across SCS. The even ask Banana republic like Philippines to stand up against China. Because americans to afraid to fight Chinese :enjoy:


The quality of USN warship is so good that they decommissioned their 21th century future warship Littoral Class warship after it broke down being pursued and paced by PLAN 054A frigate in SCS. Damaged gearbox and engine. Now reassigned to the US Coastguards.

And how many folks in here knew that the hull of the Arleigh Burke destroyers are constructed using aluminium and steel.

The USD3.5 billion SN-22 USS Connecticut commissioned in 1998 supposely construction using US super high quality HY-130 high tensil steel is damaged after being strike by an unknown inferior quality ramming vessel forcing it to surface.

There were also unsubstantiated report that SSN electronic devices were jammed and the submarine lost its direction and slammed into China inferior submarine trap.

No wonder China inferior quality warships are occasionally ramming high quality US warships.


:sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic:

Seems Running like chicken is one of US favorite hobby :D

In North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and in SCS also. Running away from more Powerful Type 054A Frigate until their LCS broke down, what an achievement.


But but but according to their Fanboy, US even not afraid to invade alien homes in Andromeda Galaxy :enjoy:

Poor fanboy
 
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