Hillary Clinton Confession - To all PDF members - See this

[Chogy]

This proves that the US is the one who created the major problems we face today it made and raised a evil child to began with now we all have to deal with it specially Pakistan and US gain some serious knowledge first before speaking out in hate against Pakistan you need to some serious history homework .. you made no sense in what you wrote really take some time to read babu.

Partially correct. What we did was fund and supply men who were already idealistic and ready to die for their beliefs. Those fighting the USSR in Afghanistan were already there... they pre-existed. We gave them goodies and support to do the job. Just as China and the USSR armed North Vietnam to the teeth.

It is a false logic to claim that the U.S. created them. No, we supported and funded them.

And yes, I agree the whole thing was mishandled badly after the USSR left Afghanistan.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Completely Correct TOPGUN, partially doesn't apply here chogy. The concept used by chogy of ready to die for their beliefs doesn't work here I think people are mature enough to not get fooled and mingled with. Nobody dies for nothing, their land was occupied by Russians. They had to fight to freed it. All they wanted was funding and weapons/training, that US provided so what is left to blame somebody else.

Blaming someone to fight for the belief is verily a wrong concept in today's era, I may ask them same question what was/is US doing in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting dieing for their beliefs? if the answer is No then the same can apply to Afghanistan and their Afghan war concept of fighting for the freedom. Please stop twisting words the logic is flawed. So does the american men dieing all over are fighting for the belief!? Please spare us.

So US in the end accepts that they funded provided weapons/training which in itself created The Monsters with access and special training to them that backfired after US ditched Afghanistan and Pakistan. So now it is a false logic to claim Pakistan created Taliban/Jihadis because nor we had weapons nor funding that was the major boost to those Jihadis by US in US Major Interests that in turn gave them the necessary support to become Monsters who wrecked havoc today around the globe.

Do not twist the History. US Interests, US Funds, US Weapons, US Intelligence men an additive! everything from US is what means the whole trouble was created by US, don't blame those jihadis you should have thought a thousand times what you were planning, The trouble here is SUPPORTED Had you not there would have been no Jihadis/Talibs in the first place.

 

[Respect4Respect01]

usa will confess everything slowly n steady

 

[Chogy]

Completely Correct TOPGUN, partially doesn't apply here chogy. The concept used by chogy of ready to die for their beliefs doesn't work here I think people are mature enough to not get fooled and mingled with. Nobody dies for nothing, their land was occupied by Russians. They had to fight to freed it. All they wanted was funding and weapons/training, that US provided so what is left to blame somebody else.

I don't understand. You acknowledge that these men wanted to evict the Soviets. That's fine; normal and expected. In other words, they existed (or were created) because the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. That is exactly what I said. We took advantage of their hatred, gave them supplies, so they could do the job more effectively.

The Soviet invasion created them. We then supported them.

Blaming someone to fight for the belief is verily a wrong concept in today's era

I don't blame them at all. I'd do the same.

I may ask them same question what was/is US doing in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting dieing for their beliefs?

I'm not sure you are following me. I am not addressing who is fighting and dying for belief X or Y, simply countering this common notion that the Taliban were created by the United States.

No, they already existed. We assisted, and the post-Soviet era in Afghanistan was badly mishandled.

 

[airuah]

this was done a hell of a time back........there was something about this in this forum too long back....why post it again?

 

[Imran Khan]

Tell us something new - Biaaaatch.

dont call old lady biaaatch dear ever her husband refuse her in past and join monica .

 

[Twijz]

ont call old lady biaaatch dear ever her husband refuse her in past and join monica . nice 1

 

[Luftwaffe]

History was twisted, So I would remind you that the whole US Armed Forces fighting all over are fighting due to their beliefs?C'mon.

Indeed Talibs/Jihadis were created by the US, who else promptly forced them to Fight in the name of God Only US, perhaps you should read what mr. brzezinski his team were talking about.

Again on the record Mr. Brzezinski asks and tells on the camera to those afghan fighters Calling them Soldiers of God to double their efforts.
His words "We know of their deep belief in God that We are confident that their struggle will succeed. Pointing finger in a direction; he says "That Land over there is yours, you will go back to it one day because your fight will prevail and you will have your homes and mosques because your cause is right and God is on your side."

Pretty sums it up that Jihad notion was specifically in reference to Afghanistan started by US and it took a boost specifically in Afghanistan.

If US did not created talibs then who did? Pakistan? I highly doubt it. There was no concept of tablibs in Pakistan before the arrival of US into the region to help afghanistan to fight russians. All was peaceful in Pakistan. I might not like hillary but what she said is correct and if I am not wrong she is trying to explain that her Govt wants to help Pakistan and won't ditch again as at the end of afghan war, I hope its true but if its not then Obama's War is in making that specifically targets Pakistan, US boots in Pakistan under the pretext of jihadis/tablibs terrorists safe heavens.

I would like to know why US has not taken credible action/steps against Arab states who exported these terrorists that Includes Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, U.A.E, what are US plans for them after all the real regional headquarters are in these listed countries.

 

[somebozo]

Hillary is a hippie and hippies are the most dangerous of all human being..all that drugs they did at school have screwed up their sense of ethics and they will lie cheat decieve their way they please!

 

[Twijz]

Guys US will always show that they have done the right thing , so let them stay in all their self righteous .No wonder they got 9/11 cause of their arrogance.

 

[Chogy]

If US did not created talibs then who did?

Your logic is a total fail. You imply that, for a guerilla force to exist, someone must "create" them. That is ridiculous. When Japan invaded the Philippines, the U.S. didn't parachute in some guys with the mission to create guerilla forces from scratch. The Philippino guerillas formed by themselves, spontaneously, like-minded people, to fight the Japanese. THEN they were supported with U.S. arms when possible.

Why is this so hard to understand? The USSR invades Afghanistan. Angry men get together to fight the invaders. The U.S. sees this, decides funding/supplying them would be a good idea, and does so.

I've already freely admitted we supplied them, influenced them, and mishandled them after the Soviets left. But we didn't "create" them. They created themselves.

 

[Thomas]

Your logic is a total fail. You imply that, for a guerilla force to exist, someone must "create" them. That is ridiculous. When Japan invaded the Philippines, the U.S. didn't parachute in some guys with the mission to create guerilla forces from scratch. The Philippino guerillas formed by themselves, spontaneously, like-minded people, to fight the Japanese. THEN they were supported with U.S. arms when possible.

Why is this so hard to understand? The USSR invades Afghanistan. Angry men get together to fight the invaders. The U.S. sees this, decides funding/supplying them would be a good idea, and does so.

I've already freely admitted we supplied them, influenced them, and mishandled them after the Soviets left. But we didn't "create" them. They created themselves.

You hit the nail on the head! But whats more many people here seem to like to blame the U.S. for the Taliban. But it wasn't the U.S. that funded and train them after the Soviet/Afghan war, it was the ISI. It was the intolerant Madrassas that were allowed to flourish in place of a public school system. That taught the extremism and intolerance that we see so prevalent today. And it is the madrassas that are still allowed to pump out the hate and paranoia so prevalent in the region. It was after the war that Taliban with the help of its state backers committed the worst atrocities against the Afghan people. These Taliban were considered GOOD because they were seen as a counter to perceived Indian influences. Do the massacres in Mazar-e Sharif, Yakaolang and many other places not ring a bell anymore?

 

[S-2]

"..the taliban of today are the mujaheeden of the past!"

Really? So Ahmad Shah Masoud would be fighting with the taliban were he alive today? Not remotely likely.

C'mon? I know you can do FAR better than this trite and simplistic comment.

 

[Spring Onion]

lol, i expected some new confession here. even martians know abt this confession

Yes but we many Indians and Americans still in denial and only blame us for the creation of once great warriors

 

[S-2]

"...But it wasn't the U.S. that funded and train them after the Soviet/Afghan war, it was the ISI. It was the intolerant Madrassas that were allowed to flourish in place of a public school system..."

Oh, it was a real TEAM effort, fellas to help the afghan mujahideen. Saudi madrassah money, Chinese weapons, Brits, French and W. Germans too.

These myopics here lose sight of history too quickly in their hate-filled narrative. Most are too young to even really know the past first-hand as it is.