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Yes as per reports but knowing HAL and its work culture delays are expected
You would know. You have been flying one for seven years.
What matters is the difficult part is done. 20 years of effort, despite sanctions and despite starting from scratch, we have a jet that is better than the m2k and mig_29s that were top of the range just 15 years back, that us better than the block-3 of the rival jf-17 and simply outclasses the existing blocks.
All we need is to ramp up to 16 per year and we will have about 70-80 mark 1 jets by 2020, and will have achieved parity with the paf fleet of say 120 jf-17s which would be a generation behind in terms of airframe, engine, radar or electronics
Not at all, contrary to you claims which were based on nothing but bias on "past performance", I pointed to the current reality of the project that you are ignoring, which is that the fighter will be inducted within this or at least next year.
Just as I showed you the reality about what is the revolutionary part of the project, which you ignored as well in your statements.
So if you want comment on something, you should at least put things in the right perspective and then get to a conclusion!
Another telling show of ignoring realities!
If the Russians would not trust Indian manufacturing, why are they offering joint production of their helicopter and civil airliners from India for other export markets? Why are they allowing parts of the Su 30 produced in India, to be offered for Su 30 export customers?
If the French would not trust Indian manufacturing, why are they keen to divert wing production for export Rafales to Reliance, IRST / FSO production to Samtel, Damocles LDP, parts of the AESA and avionics to BEL, large parts of the M88 engine to HAL?
If the world don't trust India as a manufacturing hub, why is the ammount of production parts diverted to India from Airbus, Boeing, BAE, Sikorsky, LM, Rafael, AW, Rolls Royce, GE... growing every year?
Lol, so the world is restless to do business in India right.
You love to wage war with keyboard I can see but you miss or ignore the reality and that is the list of failed or underperforming projects piped upon one another.
Regarding manufacturing parts for aviation giants, this is such a poor example that's not even laughable. Kamra and other manufacturing units are making Boeing and Airbus parts for good 10+ years, they are qualified with iso xx standards yet, still unable to undertake a complex project such as aircraft without help.
We have to admit where our limitations are and acknowledge help from those who do so. Seems like its not the culture in India.
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Yes as per reports but knowing HAL and its work culture delays are expected
Well if you missed that, you are ignoring far more realites than I thought.
No, I just try to help you undstand things, by pointing to the reality, to get you beyond the obvious bias you show. And I clearly stated that LCA for example was done in a bad manner, which is why that project suffered a lot. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, since it never was intendet to be a prime fighter for IAF, just as we have alternative for the failed parts. LCA with GE engines and EL 2032 in fact might end up to be better than it would had been with indigenous puls doppler and Kaveri engine. The fighter itself was developed with good potential in mind, which will be clearly visible in the FOC version. A low RCS, modern integrated EW capabilities, HOBS, BVR and guided strike capabilities, together with a good handling, will make it more than capable to hold it's own in the region, EVEN IF not all the development goals will be met in the MK1.
Great, it's important for the region that Pakistans economy is growing too, but that still doesn't make it in any way comparable to Indian defence industry, the huge interest of foreign companies not only to sell us arms and techs, but to divert large manufacturing parts, R&D centers, as well as JVs with and increasing rate of Indian defence companies. But as I already showed, that's just another reality that you like to ignore.
Wrong again, if there wouldn't be such a culture, we wouldn't team up with Russia for FGFA, MTA or Brahmos, with Israel for Barak 8, with France for Maitri SAM, we wouldn't had asked MBB to help in designing Dhruv, we wouldn't have asked Elta to help with the LCAs radar, or Airbus with NLCA. Our mistake in LCA project at least, was that we didn't tried it from the start, while we clearly have and are doing it better in other developments.
The important part however is, that we have to take the unique advantage of such high tech joint developments, while still aiming on being self sufficient at the lower end. And if you look at LCA or Dhruv/Rudra/LCH/LUH now, with design, materials, avionics, EW and even the first weapon developments well on the way to provide us this indigenous base, it's pretty hard to deny the progress we made in the last at least 5 years.
Could we have done it better? No doubt! There are reasons why I am the number one critic of DRDO on PDF, but is it as bad as you would like it to be? Not at all!
What's wrong with the Dhruv, Rudra or LCH?For example dhruv, rudra, lch luh bla bla. Continue your keyboard war as your comments are a source of fun for me.
What's wrong with the Dhruv, Rudra or LCH?
Your problem is you are so comvinced every Indian project (Arjun, LCA, LCH, ALH etc) is a failure that you are not aware of the reality.....
What's wrong with the Dhruv, Rudra or LCH?
Your problem is you are so comvinced every Indian project (Arjun, LCA, LCH, ALH etc) is a failure that you are not aware of the reality.....
Lol,, okey.Yes they are, every single one of them. There is a reason behind it. Never mind.
So, That's Mean Even Our Failed Indigenous Projects are Superior To your Best Thatz You are Trying Convey, Anyway Thanks PalYes they are, every single one of them. There is a reason behind it. Never mind.
I have seen your rhetoric, which barely makes any sense. The bottom line is your industrial o/p is close to zero, and that is real reason for all the heartburn that you consistently display...Your posts are a laughing stock really, I wonder if you are losing your cool. Read it again and find the relevance do let me know. All I see is same old rhetoric you are famous for.
For example dhruv, rudra, lch luh bla bla. Continue your keyboard war as your comments are a source of fun for me.