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HAIDER: UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN’S NEXT-GENERATION TANK

Trials could be taking place even when Tanks would arrive nothing would be announced until and unless they decide to leak the pictures

VT-4 has been rejected, the GL-5 was also displayed but the system needs to mature. As of now, it offer rudimentary performance at best. For reference, notice the blast when the shell is released. Repeated blasts will end up damaging the tank's side and hull armor.
 
we developed Al khalid in 90's, after that we stopped every thing.

and Al khalid 1, Al khalid 2, Al khalid 3.
dont know what happen to our creativity.
 
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In the lights of Euphrates Shield and Olive Branch operations carried out in Syria, Aselsan/Roketsan commenced upgrading M-60A3 tanks. The first image is revealed to net environment and It seems the Upgraded M-60A3 will be a promising system If We consider Aselsan Pulat hard-kill system, hard-kill radars, ERA, sloped armour, lazer warning receivers, Situation awareness optics, RCWS to be integrated on tanks under this package. Speakers are to warn soldiers close to tank, to run away while missile approaching, not to be harmed against blast effect of Pulat hard-kill munitions against ATGM. Pakistan and Turkey have many things to cooperate on tank subsystems.

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In the lights of Euphrates Shield and Olive Branch operations carried out in Syria, Aselsan/Roketsan commenced upgrading M-60A3 tanks. The first image is revealed to net environment and It seems the Upgraded M-60A3 will be a promising system If We consider Aselsan Pulat hard-kill system, hard-kill radars, ERA, sloped armour, lazer warning receivers, Situation awareness optics, RCWS to be integrated on tanks under this package. Speakers are to warn soldiers close to tank, to run away while missile approaching, not to be harmed against blast effect of Pulat hard-kill munitions against ATGM. Pakistan and Turkey have many things to cooperate on tank subsystems.

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RWS being built and tested locally


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Chinese Tanks will be trialed, and their sub-systems will be procured to restart AK 2.
 
These old machines still very effective in FATA anti terror operation
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Before a meaningful discussion can be initiated on this subject, one has to understand why the Al Khalid -2 is not being pursued and what are the capabilities required of the 'Haider' tank.

Currently, Pak Army frontline MBT’s are T-80 UD & Al Khalid. Looking at it from the outside, on can only conclude that upgrading of T-80 UD and/or Al-Khalid would not produce a tank that would meet Pak Army requirement beyond next 10 years, hence the need for a new tank nicknamed Al-Haider.

Assuming that with the Western systems, Al Khalid is at par with the Western MBTs in terms firepower and control systems; comparing Al-Khalid to the modern western tanks such as Leopard -2, M1-Abrams & Challenger, first item one notices is the weight. Western MBTs are in the 60 tons class versus Alkhalid's 46 tons. Even the Indian Arjun weighs in at about 58 ton.

As a simple rule, more armour protection means better survivability but more weight and hence more cost. However, a heavier tank makes it less agile. Hence it is a compromise between agility versus survivability. M1-Abrams is an exception because of a shorter response time of the gas turbine engine, but it is a gas guzzler

The other difference is that Western tanks have a crew of 4 whereas Alkhalid has only 3. With more automation, one can possibly manage with 3 crew members. However, in the battle situation, additional crew member means less workload per crew member. Since a lot depends upon the proficiency of the crew, it is logical that crew of 4 would be preferable.

I, therefore, conclude that Al Haider would be a heavier tank with a crew 4 and with much better armour protection.
 
Before a meaningful discussion can be initiated on this subject, one has to understand why the Al Khalid -2 is not being pursued and what are the capabilities required of the 'Haider' tank.

Currently, Pak Army frontline MBT’s are T-80 UD & Al Khalid. Looking at it from the outside, on can only conclude that upgrading of T-80 UD and/or Al-Khalid would not produce a tank that would meet Pak Army requirement beyond next 10 years, hence the need for a new tank nicknamed Al-Haider.

Assuming that with the Western systems, Al Khalid is at par with the Western MBTs in terms firepower and control systems; comparing Al-Khalid to the modern western tanks such as Leopard -2, M1-Abrams & Challenger, first item one notices is the weight. Western MBTs are in the 60 tons class versus Alkhalid's 46 tons. Even the Indian Arjun weighs in at about 58 ton.

As a simple rule, more armour protection means better survivability but more weight and hence more cost. However, a heavier tank makes it less agile. Hence it is a compromise between agility versus survivability. M1-Abrams is an exception because of a shorter response time of the gas turbine engine, but it is a gas guzzler

The other difference is that Western tanks have a crew of 4 whereas Alkhalid has only 3. With more automation, one can possibly manage with 3 crew members. However, in the battle situation, additional crew member means less workload per crew member. Since a lot depends upon the proficiency of the crew, it is logical that crew of 4 would be preferable.

I, therefore, conclude that Al Haider would be a heavier tank with a crew 4 and with much better armour protection.
I doubt Pakistan army is serious adopting new tank near future. Nothing fits in PA demands at this moment. Non country is building any light and agile tank per Pakistani terrain requirement.
 
Before a meaningful discussion can be initiated on this subject, one has to understand why the Al Khalid -2 is not being pursued and what are the capabilities required of the 'Haider' tank.

Currently, Pak Army frontline MBT’s are T-80 UD & Al Khalid. Looking at it from the outside, on can only conclude that upgrading of T-80 UD and/or Al-Khalid would not produce a tank that would meet Pak Army requirement beyond next 10 years, hence the need for a new tank nicknamed Al-Haider.

Assuming that with the Western systems, Al Khalid is at par with the Western MBTs in terms firepower and control systems; comparing Al-Khalid to the modern western tanks such as Leopard -2, M1-Abrams & Challenger, first item one notices is the weight. Western MBTs are in the 60 tons class versus Alkhalid's 46 tons. Even the Indian Arjun weighs in at about 58 ton.

As a simple rule, more armour protection means better survivability but more weight and hence more cost. However, a heavier tank makes it less agile. Hence it is a compromise between agility versus survivability. M1-Abrams is an exception because of a shorter response time of the gas turbine engine, but it is a gas guzzler

The other difference is that Western tanks have a crew of 4 whereas Alkhalid has only 3. With more automation, one can possibly manage with 3 crew members. However, in the battle situation, additional crew member means less workload per crew member. Since a lot depends upon the proficiency of the crew, it is logical that crew of 4 would be preferable.

I, therefore, conclude that Al Haider would be a heavier tank with a crew 4 and with much better armour protection.
It seems the trend of future generation tanks worldwide is reducing the number of crews and the weight.
 
I, therefore, conclude that Al Haider would be a heavier tank with a crew 4 and with much better armour protection.

Nowadays, fast agile, with more heavies i.e. strong Armour is the requirement of Main Battle Tanks. Standardization and linear module based upgrades with less crew is what Pakistan Army needs.

With ur said requirements, Haider Tank would also give sales and marketing tool for Pakistan to sell in Arabian Countries, African and South American markets.
 
It seems the trend of future generation tanks worldwide is reducing the number of crews and the weight.
The horror of ATGM . On one end few thousands dollar ATGM and on the other end million dollar machine. What you choose ? ... Do you think latest tank in market ballistic protection will stop the latest ATGM and survive multiple hit.
Turkey lost multiple Leopard A2 in Albab, Syria. The most latest one.
 

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