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F-15SA First Taxi Test

SOrry friend, i dont buy this nonsense, bring some solid backing that your F-15SA is going to have a better or at least equally capable radar and EW as the F-22 otherwise... Yanks even refused their beloved Japs when they requested Raptors ad you think they will give Raptor tech to you while Israel is sitting in the neighbourhood?

Dream On

But you tell really anything…

You also, you do not read…

This is not the F-22 Raptor, there is no ‘technology transfer’. This is the provision of a radar. Only a radar.

So you tell the truth. And vice president and general manager of Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems Pat Antkowiak lies. Except you.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/236715-f-15sa-first-taxi-test-5.html#post3968227



… stop posting wiki rubbish

^^


Wikipedia to Limit Changes to Articles on People




Jimmy Wales, a founder of Wikipedia

By NOAM COHEN
Published: August 24, 2009


Wikipedia, one of the 10 most popular sites on the Web, was founded about eight years ago as a long-shot experiment to create a free encyclopedia from the contributions of volunteers, all with the power to edit, and presumably improve, the content.

Now, as the English-language version of Wikipedia has just surpassed three million articles, that freewheeling ethos is about to be curbed.

Officials at the Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit in San Francisco that governs Wikipedia, say that within weeks, the English-language Wikipedia will begin imposing a layer of editorial review on articles about living people.

The new feature, called “flagged revisions,” will require that an experienced volunteer editor for Wikipedia sign off on any change made by the public before it can go live. Until the change is approved — or in Wikispeak, flagged — it will sit invisibly on Wikipedia’s servers, and visitors will be directed to the earlier version.

The change is part of a growing realization on the part of Wikipedia’s leaders that as the site grows more influential, they must transform its embrace-the-chaos culture into something more mature and dependable.

Roughly 60 million Americans visit Wikipedia every month. It is the first reference point for many Web inquiries — not least because its pages often lead the search results on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Since Michael Jackson died on June 25, for example, the Wikipedia article about him has been viewed more than 30 million times, with 6 million of those in the first 24 hours.

“We are no longer at the point that it is acceptable to throw things at the wall and see what sticks,” said Michael Snow, a lawyer in Seattle who is the chairman of the Wikimedia board. “There was a time probably when the community was more forgiving of things that were inaccurate or fudged in some fashion — whether simply misunderstood or an author had some ax to grind. There is less tolerance for that sort of problem now.”

The new editing procedures, which have been applied to the entire German-language version of Wikipedia during the last year, are certain to be a topic of discussion this week when Wikipedia’s volunteer editors gather in Buenos Aires for their annual Wikimania conference. Much of the agenda is focused on the implications of the encyclopedia’s size and influence.

Although Wikipedia has prevented anonymous users from creating new articles for several years now, the new flagging system crosses a psychological Rubicon. It will divide Wikipedia’s contributors into two classes — experienced, trusted editors, and everyone else — altering Wikipedia’s implicit notion that everyone has an equal right to edit entries.

That right was never absolute, and the policy changes are an extension of earlier struggles between control and openness.

For example, certain popular or controversial pages, like the ones for the singer Britney Spears and for President Obama, are frequently “protected” or “semi-protected,” limiting who, if anyone, can edit the articles.

And for seven months beginning in November, The New York Times worked with Wikipedia administrators to suppress information about the kidnapping of David Rohde, a correspondent in Afghanistan, from the article about him. The Times argued that the censorship would improve his chances of survival. Mr. Rohde escaped from his Taliban captors in June, but the episode dismayed some Wikipedia contributors.

The new system comes as some recent studies have found Wikipedia is no longer as attractive to first-time or infrequent contributors as it once was.

Ed H. Chi of the Palo Alto Research Center in California, which specializes in research for commercial endeavors, recently completed a study of the millions of changes made to Wikipedia in a month. He concluded that the site’s growth (whether in new articles, new edits or new contributors) hit a plateau in 2007-8.

For some active Wikipedia editors, this was an expected development — after so many articles, naturally there are fewer topics to uncover, and those new topics are not necessarily of general interest.

But Mr. Chi also found that the changes made by more experienced editors were more likely to stay up on the site, whereas one-time editors had a much higher chance of having their edits reversed. He concluded that there was “growing resistance from the Wikipedia community to new content.”

To other observers, the new flagging system reflects Wikipedia’s necessary acceptance of the responsibility that comes with its vast influence.

“Wikipedia now has the ability to alter the world that it attempts to document,” said Joseph Reagle, an adjunct professor of communications at New York University whose Ph.D. thesis was about the history of Wikipedia.

Under the current system, it is not difficult to insert false information into a Wikipedia entry, at least for a short time. In March, for example, a 22-year-old Irish student planted a false quotation attributed to the French composer Maurice Jarre shortly after Mr. Jarre’s death. It was promptly included in obituaries about Mr. Jarre in several newspapers, including The Guardian and The Independent in Britain. And on Jan. 20, vandals changed the entries for two ailing senators, Edward M. Kennedy and Robert C. Byrd, to report falsely that they had died.

Flagged revisions, advocates say, could offer one more chance to catch such hoaxes and improve the overall accuracy of Wikipedia’s entries.

Foundation officials intend to put the system into effect first with articles about living people because those pieces are ripe for vandalism and because malicious information within them can be devastating to those individuals.

Exactly who will have flagging privileges has not yet been determined, but the editors will number in the thousands, Wikipedia officials say. With German Wikipedia, nearly 7,500 people have the right to approve a change. The English version, which has more than three times as many articles, would presumably need even more editors to ensure that changes do not languish before approval.

“It is a test,” said Jimmy Wales, a founder of Wikipedia. “We will be interested to see all the questions raised. How long will it take for something to be approved? Will it take a couple of minutes, days, weeks?”

Mr. Wales began pushing for the policy after the Kennedy and Byrd hoaxes, but discussions about a review system date back to one of the darkest episodes in Wikipedia’s history, known as the Seigenthaler incident.

In 2005, the prominent author and journalist John Seigenthaler Sr. discovered that Wikipedia’s biographical article connected him to the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy, a particularly scurrilous thing to report because he was personally close to the Kennedy family.

Since then, Wikipedians have been fanatical about providing sources for facts, with teams of editors adding the label “citation needed” to any sentence without a footnote.

“We have really become part of the infrastructure of how people get information,” Mr. Wales said. “There is a serious responsibility we have.”


The New York Times
 
The pentagon said" The Saudi F15 will be a very capable platform"
It's a waste of time trying to prove otherwise..
 
The pentagon said" The Saudi F15 will be a very capable platform"
It's a waste of time trying to prove otherwise..

No one in his senses can argue with the capability of F-15SA but the question is "How capable and relative to which version?
considering the fact Israel is sitting next wall".

Time will tell. SA must make sure this time Yanks dont play the foul game they played last time when f-15 S was bought. Same as UAE did with their blk-60s. If not, its just a waste of money and resources for SA.
 
i wish may you get the best bang for your buck, however, i see this happening too..

Report: U.S. downgrades Saudi arms deal over Israeli concerns - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Hahahaha, Haaretz trying to calm the Israeli street, We don't settle with downgraded anymore, hell we don't even settle with a deal without ToT either anymore.
About the article: we are getting the Sniper XR. Most advanced the US has to offer. About long range weapons, we are getting Harpoon missiles, Granted we didn't get the SLAM-ER, but we have the more capable Storm Shadow cruise missiles.

Let us compare that with Israeli systems shall we? We will fly the AESA radar, they are supplied with the same APG-70 we had in out F-15S. About long range cruises, we have storm shadow they have popeye and Deliliah, both of which come very very short of the range of the Storm Shadow in both range and terrain hugging capability. About the targeting systems, the SA will have IRST and Sniper XR, more advanced than the Israeli variants.

In the EW front, we will have DEWS, same system on board F-35 and F-22. No matter which way you look at it. It is coming out significantly on top.
 
No one in his senses can argue with the capability of F-15SA but the question is "How capable and relative to which version?

considering the fact Israel is sitting next wall".

...

Absolute madness. There will never be a war between Saudi Arabia and Israel. There will never be a war between Pakistan and Israel. Except for those who want to commit suicide. Triggering the third world war thermonuclear.
 
i wish may you get the best bang for your buck, however, i see this happening too..

Report: U.S. downgrades Saudi arms deal over Israeli concerns - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Hahahaha, Haaretz trying to calm the Israeli street, We don't settle with downgraded anymore, hell we don't even settle with a deal without ToT either anymore.
About the article: we are getting the Sniper XR. Most advanced the US has to offer. About long range weapons, we are getting Harpoon missiles, Granted we didn't get the SLAM-ER, but we have the more capable Storm Shadow cruise missiles.

Let us compare that with Israeli systems shall we? We will fly the AESA radar, they are supplied with the same APG-70 we had in out F-15S. About long range cruises, we have storm shadow they have popeye and Deliliah, both of which come very very short of the range of the Storm Shadow in both range and terrain hugging capability. About the targeting systems, the SA will have IRST and Sniper XR, more advanced than the Israeli variants.

In the EW front, we will have DEWS, same system on board F-35 and F-22. No matter which way you look at it. It is coming out significantly on top.

"In addition to the exclusion of long-range weapons, according to the Wall Street Journal, the 84 F-15s included in the deal will have onboard targeting systems of the kind the U.S. sells to foreign nations, yet inferior to those in American-used F-15s."

What do you have Mosa to refute this?
 
"In addition to the exclusion of long-range weapons, according to the Wall Street Journal, the 84 F-15s included in the deal will have onboard targeting systems of the kind the U.S. sells to foreign nations, yet inferior to those in American-used F-15s."

What do you have Mosa to refute this?

In the F-15S we got the "SharpShooter" targeting pod which he is referencing to, this time we are getting the Sniper XR, about long weapons, read Harpoons in the Ammunition package and that is refuted just by that.
 
In the F-15S we got the "SharpShooter" targeting pod which he is referencing to, this time we are getting the Sniper XR, about long weapons, read Harpoons in the Ammunition package and that is refuted just by that.

Harpoon is A 2 S long range missile and not A 2 G. Maybe you are referring to AGM-88 HARM.
 
Ooooh I am not done yet:

"The new and refurbished F-15 jets will be outfitted with a number of capabilities requested specifically by the Saudi military, Dennis Muilenburg, president and CEO of Boeing's defense, space and security division, told AOL Defense yesterday. Those Saudi-specific amenities include a new digital electronic warfare package, a "fly-by-wire' capability and the next-generation Active Electronically Scanned Array radar, he said. That is the same radar on board the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."

Strike Eagle Sale Sets Stage For Lucrative SNEP II Deal


The bone of contention is not the equipment F-15 getting, but the performance parameters of those equipment.
 
The bone of contention is not the equipment F-15 getting, but the performance parameters of those equipment.

Does anyone have any proof what so ever that the F-15SA will be anything less than top-notch? We contend that that the F-15S was downgraded, but we also contend that the F-15S is a past tense and the now is the F-15SA.
 
- AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missile (400) included

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-43.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpoon_%28missile%29

Harpoon Block II

In production at Boeing facilities in Saint Charles, Missouri, is the Harpoon Block II, intended to offer an expanded engagement envelope, enhanced resistance to electronic countermeasures and improved targeting. Specifically, the Harpoon was initially designed as an open-ocean weapon. The Block II missiles continue progress begun with Block IE, and the Block II missile provides the Harpoon with a littoral-water anti-ship capability.

The key improvements of the Harpoon Block II are obtained by incorporating the inertial measurement unit from the Joint Direct Attack Munition program, and the software, computer, Global Positioning System (GPS)/inertial navigation system and GPS antenna/receiver from the SLAM Expanded Response (SLAM-ER), an upgrade to the SLAM.
 
http://cdn.www.inss.org.il.reblazecdn.net/upload/(FILE)1346053971.pdf'

This is the only source mentioning RSAF in position of SLAM-ERs, and I am not very sure about it.

Go for UAE AL-TARIQ:
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