Eritrea soon on board for the alliance against houthi's

[libertad]

So when are Somalia and Zanzibar joining this great battle between good and evil? Someone also alert Comoros and Maldives asap. Nothing less than survival is at stake .

Seriously though why does a country that's only out spent by the US and China on defense need to recruit these pis poor African countries? How do Eritrea and Senegal benefit from fighting Houthis. I bet you no one in these countries have even heard of them.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

So when are Somalia and Zanzibar joining this great battle between good and evil? Someone also alert Comoros and Maldives asap. Nothing less than survival is at stake .

Seriously though why does a country that's only out spent by the US and China on defense need to recruit these pis poor African countries? How do Eritrea and Senegal benefit from fighting Houthis. I bet you no one in these countries have even heard of them.

Our Somali, Zanzibari, Comorian and Malidivian brothers are always welcome to join their brothers and sisters. Those regions have extremely close historical ties to the Arab world (Arabian Peninsula) and many people there are of Arab origin. Also in Eritrea.

Have they fought against the Houthi terrorists yet? It's called allies.

Why did the US need a coalition of almost 30 + countries when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

Let countries decided on their own. KSA is not forcing a gun at our allies to join them or support them.

Those that have not joined actively have ALL said that KSA's security is a red line. We are grateful for all our allies and the huge support.

Other countries are in return sanctioned, isolated and loathed by the masses.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

What about go read some history you moron

The prophet didnt promise the jewels of anybody majority of these stories were written after centuries

That was khosrou II and yazdagerd II you moron and they had nothing to do with khosrou I

The prophet didn't prmosie anything? let me see should i believe My sunnah sources or Ibn Sab'a fairytaler .

Seriously you hanging out taking knowledge from a persian Ayatollah instead of reading some books has got you to be a laughing stock among the persians, now i am not sure you would understand even if you read some books. maybe some books with drawing might hit the spot. Just maybe.

So when are Somalia and Zanzibar joining this great battle between good and evil? Someone also alert Comoros and Maldives asap. Nothing less than survival is at stake .

Seriously though why does a country that's only out spent by the US and China on defense need to recruit these pis poor African countries? How do Eritrea and Senegal benefit from fighting Houthis. I bet you no one in these countries have even heard of them.

I am starting to question some of the members here with their "i think i know attitude". Look at eritrean map then look at yemen's. look at what language most eritreans speak. Yemen is an extended family to most horn african countries.

 

[libertad]

Our Somali, Zanzibari, Comorian and Malidivian brothers are always welcome to join their brothers and sisters. Those regions have extremely close historical ties to the Arab world (Arabian Peninsula) and many people there are of Arab origin. Also in Eritrea.

Have they fought against the Houthi terrorists yet? It's called allies.

Why did the US need a coalition of almost 30 + countries when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

Let countries decided on their own. KSA is not forcing a gun at our allies to join them or support them.

Those that have not joined actively have ALL said that KSA's security is a red line. We are grateful for all our allies and the huge support.

Other countries are in return sanctioned, isolated and loathed by the masses.

Interesting that the strongest countries in the world need alliances when they have more than enough manpower and resources to deal with the supposed threats on their own. Maybe its because these wars are acts of aggression and gathering coalitions give these acts a kind of diplomatic legitimacy. In the case of Afghanistan you could at least say it was a response to 9-11, but Iraq never attacked us and Houthis never attacked you. In any case being that there is a solid coalition that stands behind KSA, when are we going to see boots on the ground to see off the 'threat' once and for all? After all there just a couple thousand flip flop wearing guys with AKs.

I am starting to question some of the members here with their "i think i know attitude". Look at eritrean map then look at yemen's. look at what language most eritreans speak. Yemen is an extended family to most horn african countries.

OK...so if you can intervene based on genealogy, religion or whatever, then no one should have a problem with Iranians, for example directly intervening based on religion. I believe the Senegalese, support is based purely on this.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Interesting that the strongest countries in the world need alliances when they have more than enough manpower and resources to deal with the supposed threats on their own. Maybe its because these wars are acts of aggression and gathering coalitions give these acts a kind of diplomatic legitimacy. In the case of Afghanistan you could at least say it was a response to 9-11, but Iraq never attacked us and Houthis never attacked you. In any case being that there is a solid coalition that stands behind KSA, when are we going to see boots on the ground to see off the 'threat' once and for all? After all there just a couple thousand flip flop wearing guys with AKs.

Since when is KSA comparable to USA? USA could invade the entire ME in the matter of weeks if it mobilized half of its army and half of its arsenal. There is no comparison.

Supporters/allies are always a good thing no matter how strong you are. It's not like Eritrea is relevant in the wider picture. Or Senegal for that matter. Any fool can realize this.

When the time will be right and it's not even certain that this will happen. It's a battle that the Yemeni's must win to remove the Houthi terrorists.

Houthi's are not poorly armed nor are they poor fighters. The ancestors of those same Houthi's drove all invaders away from their region from the Ottomans to the British. They also know the terrain better than anyone else. I rate them higher than Taliban and the US has trouble defeating Taliban.

 

[libertad]

Since when is KSA comparable to USA? USA could invade the entire ME in the matter of weeks if it mobilized half of its army and half of its arsenal. There is no comparison.

Supporters/allies are always a good thing no matter how strong you are. It's not like Eritrea is relevant in the wider picture. Or Senegal for that matter. Any fool can realize this.

When the time will be right and it's not even certain that this will happen. It's a battle that the Yemeni's must win to remove the Houthi terrorists.

Houthi's are not poorly armed nor are they poor fighters. The ancestors of those same Houthi's drove all invaders away from their region from the Ottomans to the British. They also know the terrain better than anyone else. I rate them higher than Taliban and the US has trouble defeating Taliban.

You rule the skies and they rule the ground so what's the endgame here, bomb them forever?

 

[Al Bhatti]

Obvious troll/double user. Look at the username, avatar and join date and posts so far.

It's amazing how much trolling this section has.

@WebMaster

You should seriously reconsider the non-military ban on the Arab section of the forum. I promise you that there would be close to no trolling on the Arab section if social affairs in the Arab world could be discussed there (like on other sections) and if a moderator would be appointed. This section of the forum should just be used for the main conflicts in the region such as the Syrian war etc.

I already proposed the user @Al Bhatti as a moderator as you know already.

Think about it for a while. You too @Horus .

Another thread destroyed thanks to initial Farsi trolling.

Thank you for your recommendation and support.

There are Arab and non-Arab members here who are more informative than me and are more eligible than me to be fair moderators in the Arab section.

It will be a responsibility which un-fortunately I will not be able to perform well.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Thank you for your recommendation and support.

There are Arab and non-Arab members here who are more informative than me and are more eligible than me to be fair moderators in the Arab section.

It will be a responsibility which un-fortunately I will not be able to perform well.

Brother, I must correct you here. Either you are fooling us or being overly humble. Of course you are ready for such a job. In fact you are the best option that's why I proposed you. More so because you are a Pakistani. I think that you should reconsider this. The moderators praised you when I mentioned your name and they said (if I recall) that you are yet to receive even a single infraction.

You see the current climate on this section cannot go on if the end goal is to have interesting discussions. Look at this thread for instance.

The Farsi users are by far the biggest troublemakers in Arab threads. 90% of all troublemakers in those threads are found among them.

Banning them from this section or the Arab one is the only right thing to do with serial trolls. Those that are willing to change shall get another chance.

As I said ban all Arab users from commenting on their threads. We hardly ever do that to begin with. Only 1 Arab user writes on their section. We don't care about them unless they meddle in our affairs which their Mullah's have done NONSTOP since 1979.

You are the user that can put an end to all this.

You rule the skies and they rule the ground so what's the endgame here, bomb them forever?

No, it's to retain air control of Yemen as long as necessary and to support the Yemeni opposition/fractions on the ground who are against the Houthi's. Ideally to force them back to their stronghold in the Sa'ada Province.

If necessary ground troops will be used but I can't imagine some long-standing ground invasion as Yemen is a death trap much like Afghanistan.

Look at the US which has 100 times the power of KSA. They have been fighting in Afghanistan for almost 14 years and few of their goals have been reached. Taliban still control most of the country.

The Yemenis though won't accept the Houthi's because their core support is among a minority of Zaydi's, the same Zaydi's who are not even the majority of the population to begin with.

Quite different from the Taliban in Afghanistan.

 

[ResurgentIran]

This is an indication of how horribly wrong the war against Yemen has gone, for the saudis.
As mentioned by another member, you make these alliances (in order to gain international legitimacy) before starting the war.
Instead, this just comes off as a reaction to the failure of the saudis to wage a successful war against Yemen.
All those countless bombings by ksa with state of the art weapons, and the Houthis have not even flinched.
ksa should realize that if Egypt could not do it (over 60.000 soldiers dead), then there is no way for them to d it either, and they have a far less competent army than Nasser's Egypt.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This is an indication of how horribly wrong the war against Yemen has gone, for the saudis.
As mentioned by another member, you make these alliances (in order to gain international legitimacy) before starting the war.
Instead, this just comes off as a reaction to the failure of the saudis to wage a successful war against Yemen.
All those countless bombings by ksa with state of the art weapons, and the Houthis have not even flinched.
ksa should realize that if Egypt could not do it (over 60.000 soldiers dead), then there is no way for them to d it either, and they have a far less competent army than Nasser's Egypt.

What exactly has gone "horribly wrong"?

The buildup might have been done slightly differently but what was exactly lost once again?

The war has already been a success. Houthi's have lost approximately 2000 men, their infrastructure is almost non-existent and their progress has been halted. Without those air bombardments the Houthi's would be controlling all of Yemen now.

Nasser's army 50-40 years ago is nowhere near comparable to the Saudi Arabian army. Today wars are fought due to technology and air superiority. Enormous ground troop invasions is long overdue and is something only the US have done in recent years. That's why they prefer drones nowadays.

Besides the Egyptian invasion of Yemen was overall a huge mistake although the Republicans prevailed ultimately over the Zaydi royals which KSA supported ironically to make it even more funny.

 

[ResurgentIran]

What exactly has gone "horribly wrong"?

The buildup might have been done slightly differently but what was exactly lost once again?

The war has already been a success. Houthi's have lost approximately 2000 men, their infrastructure is almost non-existent and their progress has been halted. Without those air bombardments the Houthi's would be controlling all of Yemen now.

Nasser's army 50-40 years ago is nowhere near comparable to the Saudi Arabian army. Today wars are fought due to technology and air superiority. Enormous ground troop invasions is long overdue and is something only the US have done in recent years. That's why they prefer drones nowadays.

2 months of pounding Yemeni infrastructure, and Houthis not moving a centimenter, to me constitutes a failure.
I realize the war is not done yet, but I dont see how the equation will change unless you commit to a ground operation.
I think its clear that ksa is ruling out an invasion, because they know they would be defeated by Houthis.
And if there will be a ground operation, ksa will look for soldiers overseas like senegal, eritrea, pakistan (whom declined, drawing scathing criticism from gcc officials)

Todays war are fought with air superiority yes. Against conventional state armies, nothing is better than air superiority.
But to get the desired political outcome and remove Houthis from power (and get your own guy in) will require much more than solely fighter jets.
To be honest, ksa just ensured that Hadi will never reinstated as the leader of yemen again. There wont be many yemeni's that'll see him as a legitimate ruler, as he is perceived as a lackie for saudi arabia. The country that has bombed and waged an aggression against the people of Yemen.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

2 months of pounding Yemeni infrastructure, and Houthis not moving a centimenter, to me constitutes a failure.
I realize the war is not done yet, but I dont see how the equation will change unless you commit to a ground operation.
I think its clear that ksa is ruling out an invasion, because they know they would be defeated by Houthis.
And if there will be a ground operation, ksa will look for soldiers overseas like senegal, eritrea, pakistan (whom declined, drawing scathing criticism from gcc officials)

Todays war are fought with air superiority yes. Against conventional state armies, nothing is better than air superiority.
But to get the desired political outcome and remove Houthis from power (and get your own guy in) will require much more than solely fighter jets.
To be honest, ksa just ensured that Hadi will never reinstated as the leader of yemen again. There wont be many yemeni's that'll see him as a legitimate ruler, as he is perceived as a lackie for saudi arabia. The country that has bombed and waged an aggression against the people of Yemen.

Not moving a centimeter? That's not even close to being correct.

Houthi's before the air campaign were many times stronger and where a much bigger threat to KSA. Now all they can do is firing a few rockets into border towns who ironically are inhabited by fellow Zaydi's and Ismaili's mainly.

Or what about arming the Yemeni opposition which is sufficient enough to force the Houthi's back to their strongholds?

They would not lose a war. It would just not be worth it just like the US adventure in Afghanistan was/is not worth it.

That's why I wrote that Yemen is a "death trap" in the sense that you have little to win but everything to lose.

I really doubt that KSA cares about Hadi. He is just the recognized president by the international community and that's why they are allied with him. I don't think that anyone sees him as a future leader of the country.

If it was up to me Yemen should decide what to do themselves but KSA won't tolerate some rogue anti-KSA militia to rule a country (50th biggest on the planet) with a population of almost 30 million next door.

There are simply so many problems in Yemen that any involvement there regardless of area is almost useless. Similar to Afghanistan. The locals themselves have to cure themselves from their many ills. Yemen has tremendous potential and Yemenis are talented people and I wish them all the best but God, do they make life difficult for themselves and man is that country impossible to truly rule for any government.

Some countries are just like that I guess. Shaped by history and geography. Everyone wanting to be the king. Well.

 

[ResurgentIran]

If it was up to me Yemen should decide what to do themselves but KSA won't tolerate some rogue anti-KSA militia to rule a country (50th biggest on the planet) with a population of almost 30 million next door.

This is a contradiction though.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This is a contradiction though.

Well, it is a contradiction if we totally ignore who would end up ruling Yemen. For instance neither Houthi or AQAP rule is something that any sane neighbor would accept nor is it something that the Yemenis will accept themselves.

On the other hand a political compromise and a genuine power sharing for the better of Yemen is something that KSA supports.

I mean did Iran not support the Northern Alliance in nearby Afghanistan exactly because they feared Taliban hegemony? The same Taliban that is/was anti-Iran much like Houthi's were/are anti-KSA?

I don't see any difference really. Houthi's are no saints and they are very much a terrorist group/cult. Look at their slogans, how their group is ruled etc. It's just a Zaydi version of Taliban. That's actually a very fitting comparison.

Won't compare them to ISIS though or AQAP as they are another problem.

 

[Madali]

Well, it is a contradiction if we totally ignore who would end up ruling Yemen. For instance neither Houthi or AQAP rule is something that any sane neighbor would accept nor is it something that the Yemenis will accept themselves.

On the other hand a political compromise and a genuine power sharing for the better of Yemen is something that KSA supports.

I mean did Iran not support the Northern Alliance in nearby Afghanistan exactly because they feared Taliban hegemony? The same Taliban that is/was anti-Iran much like Houthi's were/are anti-KSA?

I don't see any difference really. Houthi's are no saints and they are very much a terrorist group/cult. Look at their slogans, how their group is ruled etc. It's just a Zaydi version of Taliban. That's actually a very fitting comparison.

Won't compare them to ISIS though or AQAP as they are another problem.

Every country tries to influence events in other countries to their own benefit, specially when it comes to their neighbors, nothing wrong with that.

I don't see anything surprising or strange about Saudi wanting to control events in Yemen in a way to ensure it benefits them. However, I do think their cowboy approach is destructive. They could have gone with it in a completely different approach. Once they saw that Houthis were getting an upper hand, they could have started talks with them. With Saudi's vastly bigger wealth, they could easily influenced events on the ground in a political, diplomatic manner. It's not like Saudis never worked with Houthis before. They could have done it again in such a way to transform Yemen into a reliable partner.

But instead they suddenly went in and started bombing. This might yield some short term benefits for Saudi, but in the long run, it could turn out to be disadvantageous to them.