EGYPT, TUNISIA AND MANY MORE--How the world powers manipulate the public opinion?

[SekrutYakhni]

As we all know, Egypt is having a little 'party' movement on the streets which is NOT favourable at all to the west, more specifically to Israel.
If Egypt gets a leadership, which stands on the principles, be it religious or non religious, Islamist conspiracy kicks in.

According to the news reports (CNN), the U.S. backed Egyptian who prefers to write his name in Latin rather than his mother tongue, Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of IAEA, wants to run for the presidency.


Pakistan shares the same story. There are some questions raised by the people who stand on principles i.e. why did Pakistan have martial laws only during the war--

Pakistan-India war 1965: Head of the state: General Ayub Khan--27 October 1958 – 25 March 1969.

Pakistan-India war 1971 (Bangladesh): Head of the state: General Yahya Khan--25 March 1969 – 20 December 1971.
Yahya Khan and Ayub's role.
Keep in mind the role of Bhutto as a Minister.

Pakistan-America-Afghan against USSR: Head of the state: General Zia-ul-Haq--16 September 1978 – 17 August 1988.

American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq (evil or good): Head of the state: General Musharaf--20 June 2001 – 18 August 2008.

Please post current updates, so we can analyze how the west and leaders of Muslim world manipulate public opinion in their respective countries.


Note: The purpose of this thread is to point out the western interference through various channels and how they manipulate public opinion by sending their 'kids of a different mother'--

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Furthermore, the child of the west and Arabi, Ben Ali (Tunisian President), got refuge in Saudi Arabia.

The holy people, Arabi, are not so Holy after all.

"Saudi Arabia confirmed the former Tunisian president and his family had arrived in the kingdom early on Saturday morning to stay for an unspecified period of time.
“The kingdom welcomed the arrival of the President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali and his family,” a statement on the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) said."

We have to look forward how the Arabi and their friends export a clean man to Tunisia.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Going back to Pakistan, the man who had corruption cases, Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif, were also welcomed by the holy country of Muslim world, Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia clearly violated the emotions of Pakistanis by giving refuge to the culprits of our nation.

Consider the fake Islami rhetoric guy, Zia ul haq.

The man who delivered Pakistani citizens to the U.S., Musharaf, for pennies as he say, got a refuge in the west.

There is no legal liability for that nations to not let those criminals enter their homeland but they won't have their proxies in the region if they stop the way.
This is more so an issue of morality and friendship of PEOPLE of the nations.

Consider the revolutionary guy, Altaf bhai.
Who says a lot, but from London.

 

[mikkix]

Going back to Pakistan, the man who had corruption cases, Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif, was also welcomed by the holy country of Muslim world, Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia clearly violated the emotions of Pakistanis by giving refuge to the culprits of our nation.

Consider the fake Islami rhetoric guy, Zia ul haq.

A man who delivered Pakistani citizens to the U.S., for pennies as he say, got a refuge in the west.

There is no legal liability for that nations to not let those criminals enter their homeland but they won't have their proxies in the region if they stop the way.
This is more so an issue of morality and friendship of PEOPLE of the nations.

Consider the revolutionary guy, Altaf bhai.
Who says a lot, but from London.

politicians ARE corrupt, no dispute,
but what about civil and military beareacracy??

 

[mikkix]

GUYS accept, there is no real Islam exist today, just talk.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

politicians ARE corrupt, no dispute,
but what about civil and military beareacracy??

'Is hamam mien sab nangay hain'

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Pakistan shares the same story. There are some questions raised by the people who stand on principles i.e. why did Pakistan have marital laws only during the war--

Sorry to go off-topic here, but what kind of marital laws are we talking about? Domestic disputes? Dowry maybe?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Sorry to go off-topic here, but what kind of marital laws are we talking about? Domestic disputes? Dowry maybe?

Sorry about that. A typo...

Martial Law.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

SUNNI, SHIA, IRAQ, AMERICA, IRAN AND SAUDI ARABIA:

On 12 December the New York Times claimed that according to US and Arab diplomats, Cheney was told that Riyadh might provide financial backing to Iraqi Sunnis in any war against Iraq’s Shias if the United States pulled out its troops. The Saudi King Abdullah also expressed strong opposition to any diplomatic talks between the United States and Iran and demanded that Washington encourage the resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
The Saudi position reflected fears among USA’s Sunni Arab allies at Tehran’s increasing influence in Iraq with its ally the Lebanese Hezbollah getting the better of Israeli ground forces coupled with Tehran’s nuclear ambitions. King Abdullah II of Jordan had earlier expressed concern about the rising Shia influence and warned of the emergence of a Shia crescent from Iran via Syria to Lebanon .Riyadh also warned of the prospect of a Shia dominated Iraq government using its troops against the Sunni population. Saudi Arabia supports a Government of unity in Baghdad. The New York Times added that the Saudi King told Cheney: “if you retreat and it comes to an ethnic cleaning against the Sunnis, we will feel like we are being dragged into the war”.
Saudi officials and the White House both denied the reports. “That’s not Saudi government policy,” the White House press secretary, Tony Snow, told reporters. “The Saudis have made it clear that they’re committed to the same goals we are, which is a self-sustaining Iraq that can sustain, govern and defend itself, that will recognise and protect the rights of all, regardless of sect or religion,” he added , “And furthermore, they share our concerns about the role the Iranians are playing in the region.”

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Even if we label it a conspiracy theory against holy Arabia, very same members of think tank, along with other international media outlets, raised concerns of American adventure of dividing Iraq into Shia vs Sunni.
One cannot disregard the role of Saudi Arabia of making Iraq, a Sunni one.
However, I can be wrong on this one!!!

Talabani Urges Riyadh to Halt Anti-Shia Rhetoric:
Published: 8 January, 2010

"Baghdad has called on Riyadh to prevent insult to Iraq's Shia clergy as protests escalate over offensive remarks hurled by a Wahhabi imam against Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Saudi Arabia is a land of divine revelation and prophets, a land which hosts the House of God, who prohibits us from dissension...You call on Muslims to put aside differences but from time to time voices scatter seeds of discord among Muslims,” Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said in a letter to Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud."

Talabani Urges Riyadh to Halt Anti-Shia Rhetoric

 

[SekrutYakhni]

SHAH OF IRAN:

"Under the direction of Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a senior Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer and grandson of former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, the American CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) funded and led a covert operation to depose Mosaddegh with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah. The plot hinged on orders signed by the Shah to dismiss Mosaddegh as prime minister and replace him with General Fazlollah Zahedi – a choice agreed on by the British and Americans.
Despite the high-level coordination and planning, the coup initially failed, causing the Shah to flee to Baghdad, then Rome. After a brief exile in Italy, the Shah returned to Iran, this time through a successful second attempt at a coup. A deposed Mosaddegh was arrested and tried. The King intervened and commuted the sentence to one and a half years. Zahedi was installed to succeed Prime Minister Mosaddegh."


"At the start of the confrontation, American political sympathy was forthcoming from the Truman Administration. In particular, Mossadegh was buoyed by the advice and counsel he was receiving from American Ambassador in Tehran, Henry Grady. However, eventually American decision-makers lost their patience, and by the time a Republican Administration came to office fears that the Communists were poised to overthrow the government became an all consuming concern."

"The Shah supported the Yemeni royalists against republican forces in the Yemen Civil War (1962–70) and assisted the sultan of Oman in putting down a rebellion in Dhofar (1971). Concerning the fate of Bahrain (which Britain had controlled since the 19th century, but which Iran claimed as its own territory) and three small Persian Gulf islands, the Shah negotiated an agreement with the British, which, by means of a public consensus, ultimately led to the independence of Bahrain (against the wishes of Iranian nationalists). In return, Iran took full control of Greater and Lesser Tunbs and Abu Musa in the Strait of Hormuz , three strategically sensitive islands which were claimed by the United Arab Emirates."

"Explanations for why the Shah was overthrown include that he was beholden to — if not a puppet of — a non-Muslim Western power, (the United States), whose foreign culture was seen as influencing that of Iran. Additional contributing factors included perceptions of oppression, brutality, corruption, and extravagance. Basic functional failures of the regime have also been blamed — economic bottlenecks, shortages and inflation; the regime's overly-ambitious economic program; the failure of its security forces to deal with protest and demonstration; the overly centralized royal power structure.
In October 1971, the Shah celebrated the twenty-five-hundredth anniversary of the Iranian monarchy. The New York Times reported that $100 million was spent. Next to the ruins of Persepolis, the Shah gave orders to build a tent city covering 160 acres (0.65 km2), studded with three huge royal tents and fifty-nine lesser ones arranged in a star-shaped design. French chefs from Maxim’s of Paris prepared breast of peacock for royalty and dignitaries around the world, the buildings were decorated by Maison Jansen (the same firm that helped Jacqueline Kennedy redecorate the White House), the guests ate off Limoges porcelain china and drank from Baccarat crystal glasses. This became a major scandal as the contrast between the dazzling elegance of celebration and the misery of the nearby villages was so dramatic that no one could ignore it. Months before the festivities, university students struck in protest. Indeed, the cost was so sufficiently impressive that the Shah forbade his associates to discuss the actual figures."


One could go on and on and on...

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Scandal of Late Benazir Bhutto meeting American politicians to break a power deal with Musharaf.

Don't be naive, Musharaf enjoyed the support from certain military estab circles.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

We will analyze how the west, world powers and our own leaders play with our countrymen and emotions, be it military or political.

 

[Hussein]

People fight for their rights.
It is good.

Instead insulting them by saying they are manipulated by CIA Israel and so like the Iranian regime... we should better support it

The muslim world needs democracies

 

[SekrutYakhni]

People fight for their rights.
It is good.

Instead insulting them by saying they are manipulated by CIA Israel and so like the Iranian regime... we should better support it

The muslim world needs democracies

No, I am not blaming the west because it is an easy way out. However, the sole purpose of this thread is to discuss the international strategic interests of different nations in different countries.

We need democracy but what kind of democracy?
The democracy supported by international power brokers?
The democracy supported by military?
The democracy supported by status quo?
The democracy supported by people?

I just want to highlight the foreign interventions, both militarily and politically, by different countries.

Of course, people should STAND!

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"Instead insulting them"

No one is insulting anyone; just facts from the past.

 

[Hussein]

600 000 people Tunisian or from Tunisia roots in France

French people were very upset the government was friend with Ben Ali
You can see in any TV program when someone from Sarkozy parti is invited intellectuals and other people blame that they give a bad picture of France
Now Government said they are sad they didn't see the suffer of Tunisians and they want to be any help for them but without interfering

People in France who are Tunisians ask good relations between the two countries because they understand it is necessary for business and because it is always better to build a future than see the past

US were very helpful for Tunisians > the chief of army was invited by US and US said him if he didn't obey the order of Ben Ali to shoot on people , US would support the fact he didn't shoot people
And US would support the process of democracy
So US was helping there very much

But it is very different in Egypt !
You see Clinton words. They are scared Egypt the best Arab army ... could change policy towards Israel. So they support the dictatorship there.

When i see what is happening on facebook channels and people who relate here from my Algerian friends too anyway... i can see there looks like Iran > force is used againt the people . With modern repression forces it is hard for people to stand against a dictator