Compatible with the Rafale aircraft carriers with a springboard

[Alphacharlie]

I don't think the application of composites make the aircraft 'stealthier'. It just helps with weight reduction which in turn helps improve efficiency.

Also, composites make it costlier to operate.



Holy cow! There'd be a naval version?

What is Basis of your comments on Composites...Have you done any reaserch or another Hyperbola Illusionary Post

The EA18G is one if not the only jet to get a radar missile lock and "kill" during training exercises on an F-22. It has more EW capability than an EA-6B Prowler and still carries almost a full load of AAM's and ASM's. It really is a remarkable fighter. 4-5 of these on IAC-1 and IAC-2 would be a huge addition. (along with fixed wing AEW on IAC-2)

Thanks for the kind note. But what about CISOMA Uncle Sam...

 

[Twain]

Thanks for the kind note. But what about CISOMA Uncle Sam...

Some patience is all that is needed there, if both sides consider a long term relationship to be important, it will get worked out. Probably something along these lines.

http://idsa.in/system/files/JDS_6_2_Anit.Manohar.pdf


JMO but if it were me what I would want on the carriers would be something like this.

IAC-2
(Currently Available aircraft only)

Rafale 15-20
EA18-G 3-4
F/A-18 15-20
E-2D 3
COD 3-4 V-22 Osprey
SV-22 Osprey 6 (ASW the sv-22 could be developed reasonably cheaply)

That combination gives very good capabilities in AEW, ASW, Air superiority, and Strike for a CATOBAR carrier.

IAC-1

You are pretty much locked in to the MIG-29K, but longer term you could add the rafale, V-22, SV-22, and Sea King AEW Mk7.

I just don't see the Mig 29K being a good long term platform. It is better than the SU-33 since it is a bit smaller and is still able to take off from a ski jump bow with almost the same loadout. I just don't expect russia to keep adding any upgrades to this aircraft in the future. India will be operating almost as many MIG-29K's as Russia will. That is not a very large number of aircraft to justify future R&D spending for either of you.

In contrast, the Rafale and Superbug will be in use in large numbers and will see many future upgrades.

Now if you can get the F-35, (which I think is likely) or even the planned FA-XX,

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/FAXX5.jpg

that changes everything

Forgot the UCLASS, probably the X-47C, the odds are not good that we will be selling that to anyone but it would be a game changer.

http://johnbatchelorshow.com/images/x-47pegasus_5.jpg

I've see unverified RCS claims of mosquito size.

 

[Twain]

Just a quick followup here, as I said I think some things are going to change in regards to US weapons systems sales

DoD Seeks To Simplify Foreign Sales

The U.S. Defense Department has made a number of internal changes to remove bureaucratic red tape and make weapons and equipment sales to foreign governments easier and faster.

“We are working to make U.S. government decision-making simpler, faster and more predictable for our partners,” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said during a June 28 speech at the U.S. Institute of Peace in Washington.

In India, Panetta announced that Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter would lead “an effort at the Pentagon to engage with Indian leaders on a new initiative to streamline our bureaucratic processes and make our defense trade more simple, more responsive and more effective.”

The goal of this new approach is to speed up the process of these types of requests by foreign governments.

“We are working to try to get changes in the export control act to try to eliminate some of the barriers that are there, to loosen up on some of the bureaucracy that’s involved with regards to those laws,” Panetta said at a June 6 press conference in New Delhi.

DoD Seeks To Simplify Foreign Sales | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[RISING SUN]

Growlers provided we get source code and tot are ok, even we can buy them in huge nos like 5-6 squadrons . At the end of the day we should be able to link them with IAFs Mki,Mig29,Rafale and IN Mig29k . At least growler shouldn't jam them and communicate , also we should make sure US wont have its kill switch . That happens only when we know source and assemble here .

I didn't mean purchasing F18 growlers. Are we thinking to convert our fighter jets in something like F-18 growler.

 

[Skull and Bones]

I didn't mean purchasing F18 growlers. Are we thinking to convert our fighter jets in something like F-18 growler.

Any aircraft can be converted into jamming aircraft by adding jamming pods, India is doing the same with Mig-27s. For navy, same jamming pods can be carried by Mig-29Ks or LCA Tejas.

See the pod in its belly, that's the experimental ECM/Jamming pod.

 

[sancho]

See the pod in its belly, that's the experimental ECM/Jamming pod.

Buddy that's not a jamming pod:

It's a station for A2G weapon trials with smaller bombs.

 

[RISING SUN]

Any aircraft can be converted into jamming aircraft by adding jamming pods, India is doing the same with Mig-27s. For navy, same jamming pods can be carried by Mig-29Ks or LCA Tejas.

See the pod in its belly, that's the experimental ECM/Jamming pod.

Bro that is not air warfare machine. You can add jamming pods but you can't make Mig 29 into warfare dedicated role like F-18. It doesn't stand a chance. India doesn't have this capability right now. Only I wanna know whether India has any plans for this time of machine.

 

[sancho]

IAC-2
(Currently Available aircraft only)

Rafale 15-20
EA18-G 3-4
F/A-18 15-20...

...That combination gives very good capabilities in...Air superiority, and Strike for a CATOBAR carrier.

When you have the Rafale, you have better capabilities in A2A and A2G and actually don't need the F18SH anymore for any role. Even the Growler is not needed and a similar version could be build by Dassault as well.

On the other side, the Super Hornet offers a twin seat version and more importantly folding wings => less parking space and more fighters for the carrier!
When you then add the possibility of developed Silent Hornet upgrades (EPE engine, internal IRST, additional sensors, or CFTs) by the time IN needs these fighters, the Super Hornet might get very interesting as a secondary fighter and stop gap till a 5th gen naval fighter arrives.

You can add jamming pods but you can't make Mig 29 into warfare dedicated role like F-18. It doesn't stand a chance. India doesn't have this capability right now. Only I wanna know whether India has any plans for this time of machine.

Why not? The only real differences between a F18 Growler and a normal F18 Super Hornet are it's internal and external tech changes, not the design, not it's engine, not it's radar or anything important that would really make a difference in performance.
If you would add the same tech changes to the Mig 29K, you would have the same Growler capabilities too.

 

[Twain]

When you have the Rafale, you have better capabilities in A2A and A2G and actually don't need the F18SH anymore for any role. Even the Growler is not needed and a similar version could be build by Dassault as well.

On the other side, the Super Hornet offers a twin seat version and more importantly folding wings => less parking space and more fighters for the carrier!
When you then add the possibility of developed Silent Hornet upgrades (EPE engine, internal IRST, additional sensors, or CFTs) by the time IN needs these fighters, the Super Hornet might get very interesting as a secondary fighter and stop gap till a 5th gen naval fighter arrives.

I'm talking about the international roadmap hornet, sometimes called the silent hornet but it is a bit more than just adding stealth. As far as Dassault goes, they would have a very hard time getting a rafale to match the capabilities the EA-18G has. The rafale is a great fighter but the Growler is an excellent EW platform one particularly when you consider it's capabilities compared to it's cost and size. IMO I doubt dassault could match it's EW capabilities on a fighter that is also carrier capable.

In the mix of aircraft I suggested for IAC-2 the rafale for A2A and the international roadmap hornet for strike and EW capabilities. A strike package of "Silent Hornets" covered by Growlers would be a formidable asset.

 

[sancho]

As far as Dassault goes, they would have a very hard time getting a rafale to match the capabilities the EA-18G has. The rafale is a great fighter but the Growler is an excellent EW platform one particularly when you consider it's capabilities compared to it's cost and size. IMO I doubt dassault could match it's EW capabilities on a fighter that is also carrier capable.

As explained earlier, it just needs some additional internal and external techs to make a normal Super Hornet to a Growler, so it's not the platform that is special, but the techs!
Secondly, the techs integrated into Rafales SPECTRA EWS are part of dedicated EW developments by Thales, meant for EW aircrafts and jamming pods, which makes it to one of the most advanced integrated EW system available today. Any Rafale with SPECTRA already offers similar locating and targeting capabilities like the Growler Lite that Boeing offered to international customers (not approved by US government though). That's why any Rafale is able to do SEAD missions today, without any additional techs or pods like other dedicated SEAD fighters.
The only capability that is left is the addition of dedicated high power jamming pods, to provide escort jamming to other aircrafts since the final development isn't funded by French government so far. They seems to plan to increase the jamming power of SPECTRA and add more powerful jamming capabilities to the AESA radar. That again would make any Rafale to a powerful EW fighter, without the need of external jamming pods.

In the mix of aircraft I suggested for IAC-2 the rafale for A2A and the international roadmap hornet for strike and EW capabilities.

It's the other way around! A Silent Hornet with CFTs instead of external fuel tanks and a weapon pod for BVR missiles, has a lower RCS than a Rafale in A2A config. On the other side, a Rafale with Scalp cruise missiles, AASM PGMs, SPECTRA EWS or a dedicated jamming pods is more capable in strike or EW roles than any Growler Lite that would be available for India.
So if at all, the Silent Hornet would be used for A2A and the Rafale for A2G!

At the end we will have to wait and see what versions will be offered to IN and which requirements will have priorities, because the French are developing certain upgrades for that time too, while the US don't fund these Silent Hornet upgrades at all. And another point might be a development of a naval AMCA, which might come with some commonality between to one of the earlier mentioned once, but I'm sure that the decision will be between F18SH and Rafale.