Comparison of IN and PN

[niaz]

There is no doubt that IN is planning to remain far ahead of PN in terms of hardware for all times to come. Surely a time must come when the Indian defence planners realize that Indian Navy is already strong enough?

To my Indian fellow members, Does India seriously think that they would fight a Naval war with China one day?? Can't see any other possible reason for the continued Naval expansion.

 

[vnomad]

To Niaz,

Let me ask you a more pressing question. Why is China building their military like they're going to be attacked tommorrow? Indian naval acquisition's aren't all that huge. India spend less on defence(as a % of the budget) than Pakistan and China. India's economy is booming so there's more cash to spend on the military. The aim of the naval buildup is purely defensive and not to challenge somebody.

Why are Sweden, Germany, Austria, Italy etc etc building their AFs and Navy's? Who's threatening them?

 

[niaz]

To Niaz,

Let me ask you a more pressing question. Why is China building their military like they're going to be attacked tommorrow? Indian naval acquisition's aren't all that huge. India spend less on defence(as a % of the budget) than Pakistan and China. India's economy is booming so there's more cash to spend on the military. The aim of the naval buildup is purely defensive and not to challenge somebody.

Why are Sweden, Germany, Austria, Italy etc etc building their AFs and Navy's? Who's threatening them?

China is doing it to intimidate Taiwan. Their aim is to have Taiwan eventually part of the mainland. Since US is Taiwan's protector, and US can only assist thru her Navy, China is expanding her Navy to counter a possible US threat. If you look at the Navies of the countries you have mentioned, IN is already far stronger and these countries policies are a carry over of the cold war.

What about India??
What is the perceived threat to India except Pakistan and IN is already far more powerful than PN.

 

[vnomad]

China is doing it to intimidate Taiwan. Their aim is to have Taiwan eventually part of the mainland. Since US is Taiwan's protector, and US can only assist thru her Navy, China is expanding her Navy to counter a possible US threat. If you look at the Navies of the countries you have mentioned, IN is already far stronger and these countries policies are a carry over of the cold war.

What about India??
What is the perceived threat to India except Pakistan and IN is already far more powerful than PN.

Its not just the Chinese navy that's expanding. All branches of the Chinese military are modernising driven by huge budget. The IN has be able to support land troops in the event of an Indo-Pak war. And nothing is as effective two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea. To offset Pakistan's very credible sub fleet India is working on improving its ASW capability.

As for the European countries I mentioned, India has a bigger economy so its obvious it will have a better navy. But, saying its a carry-over of the cold war isn't a very credible explaination. Sweden today has no threat at all as far as I can see. Nor does any other scandinavian country. Or Germany or Austria. Singapore has no military threat. Saudi Arabia don't have a credible threat today. Who's going to attack Australia of all places? But, each of the afore-mentioned countries has a modern and active military. Why does the US maintain a national guard and a national air guard. The possibility of an attack on the American heartland is absurd. India in comparision lives in a tougher neighborhood. If we are building a strong navy doesn't mean we're gearing up for a war with China. The aim is to have a strong defence.

 

[Contrarian]

If the IN doesnt expand as it is doing, it will realise one day that PN has constantly modernized and expanded and is now able to challenge the IN. Kind of like the Hare and Tortoise story. So we have to constantly modernise and expand.

 

[Bull]

China is doing it to intimidate Taiwan. Their aim is to have Taiwan eventually part of the mainland. Since US is Taiwan's protector, and US can only assist thru her Navy, China is expanding her Navy to counter a possible US threat. If you look at the Navies of the countries you have mentioned, IN is already far stronger and these countries policies are a carry over of the cold war.

What about India??
What is the perceived threat to India except Pakistan and IN is already far more powerful than PN.

Pakistan is banking on China to help them thwart the Indian threat and thats why gwadar would see Chineese ships anchored over there.

China also has bases in Myanmar islands.

 

[EagleEyes]

Pakistan is banking on China to help them thwart the Indian threat and thats why gwadar would see Chineese ships anchored over there.

China also has bases in Myanmar islands.

Chinese naval ships being in Gawadar is not true. It will be an economic hub, not a naval base.

 

[blain2]

Pakistan is banking on China to help them thwart the Indian threat and thats why gwadar would see Chineese ships anchored over there.

China also has bases in Myanmar islands.

Gwader is just a commercial port...the Naval base is at Ormara. If anyone then it is Pakistan that has a real threat facing it in the face of IN which has time and again threatened blockade of Karachi.

PLAN would use Ormara as a maint./resupply base. but that is not because of the IN, rather its the need for the PLAN to protect Chinese shipping.

 

[Adux]

Gwader is just a commercial port...the Naval base is at Ormara. If anyone then it is Pakistan that has a real threat facing it in the face of IN which has time and again threatened blockade of Karachi.

PLAN would use Ormara as a maint./resupply base. but that is not because of the IN, rather its the need for the PLAN to protect Chinese shipping.

hiya blain2,

Chinese dont have bases as such in mynmar, they have been known to have listening posts. String pearls strategy is in its infancy right now

I need your views on this, if chinese does setup a base in gwadar or something in the arabian sea, dont you think it will create a precarious position for pakistan, since USN will start giving more attention pakistan via thier fleet in middle east as well as IN will bring in aggressive naval build up, which will both have direct impact on the Pakistan security. Political support in the international arena will decrease as US will see Pakistani's patronizing the chinese more than itself, rather than doing the balancing act it is doing now. Do you think pakistan will endanger or put a unwanted risk on itself.

Adu

 

[HAIDER]

Nodoubt Pakistan is mderning Navy. But reason is not India. Major reason is being non nato member, American wants to PN to perform duty in arabian waters, totally a political reason, try to decrease the presence in disputed waters. And all Pakistani navel software is linked with Nato survellience system. If you take very close look, about PC3 system updates, you guys will find the answer.

 

[Bull]

Nodoubt Pakistan is mderning Navy. But reason is not India. Major reason is being non nato member, American wants to PN to perform duty in arabian waters, totally a political reason, try to decrease the presence in disputed waters. And all Pakistani navel software is linked with Nato survellience system. If you take very close look, about PC3 system updates, you guys will find the answer.

Dont make a mockery of yourself over here.

 

[Neo]

Nodoubt Pakistan is mderning Navy. But reason is not India. Major reason is being non nato member, American wants to PN to perform duty in arabian waters, totally a political reason, try to decrease the presence in disputed waters. And all Pakistani navel software is linked with Nato survellience system. If you take very close look, about PC3 system updates, you guys will find the answer.

Good post Haider, I second that.
PN for the first time in history took command in the Persian Gulf last summer proves your point.

 

[Adux]

That was a stupid Post, Pakistan is in no position to do that, Indian OCean , Arabian are "infested" with Indian Navy Ships

 

[Contrarian]

Good post Haider, I second that.
PN for the first time in history took command in the Persian Gulf last summer proves your point.

Neo, your kidding me.
US along with Japan etc want India to patrol the IOR and along with it the Arabian Sea so that USN has lesser burden. PN is not at all capable to do anything of this sort, plus US doesnt want that. IN is unchallenged in this part of the world.

IN performs its duties, and it is expected that it will be the major force in the Indian AOI(Area of Interest) which is from Bay of Bengal to the Straights of Hormuz, and is thus expected to perform duties accordingly, releasing USN.

I dont think China has naval bases in Maldives. As a matter of fact, because of such Chinese intentions, India has been courting such small countries so that they dont fall in China's lap. India's moves have been VERY successful, from Mayanmar, with which we have very close ties now(earlier she was already in bed with China) to Maldives, where our Army Chief went recently. India will not allow any other country to gain the slightest foothold in Indian AOI.
Only Bangladesh or Burma could play spoilsport, but i am sure, as time progresses, India's moves towards them will succeed as they have with other nations.

 

[Neo]

Dude, we took command of Persian Gulf for six monts, PN is the first non Nato navy in history to do so.