Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

old pic。deleted。

Yepp, seems so !

 

[kuge]

Not sure.

i asked that becoz after-burner was not visible. apparently it was landing

Yepp, seems so !

i dun understand why the initial photo has been blur before getting clear....

 

[j20blackdragon]

 

[Beast]

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Initial batch of operational J-20 squadron will equipped with WS-10B to give it limited super cruise abilities.

 

[j20blackdragon]

2016

 

[aliaselin]

i asked that becoz after-burner was not visible. apparently it was landing

i dun understand why the initial photo has been blur before getting clear....

It is a good way to protect 卧草党

 

[Blue Marlin]

7th prototype j20 takes of

 

[cirr]

 

[kungfugymnast]

Stealth aircraft is more suitable for weapons platform than being fighter. I find combat radius and ability to carry more missiles, guided bombs are most important while dogfight is for self defense when stealth being compromised.

F22 and f35 are quite fuel thirsty due to overtuned engines generating really high thrust. f22 could only carry limited 2x aim9x and 4x amraams or JDAMs and SDB. F35 carries only 4x air to air or 2x Amraam & 2x JDAMs or few 250lb SDBs. It's like replacing f117 nighthawk. If America replaced all f15/16/18 with f22/35, these aircraft can't perform ground sorties well and will need a lot of them to do the jobs of fighters they are replacing.

The j20, it needs large internal bay to carry maybe 8x air to air missiles or 4x air to air & 4x air to ground minimum to be effective multi~role fighter. It is larger and longer, should be able to meet such requirements. It has enough room to have cwb like f15se

 

[Beast]

Stealth aircraft is more suitable for weapons platform than being fighter. I find combat radius and ability to carry more missiles, guided bombs are most important while dogfight is for self defense when stealth being compromised.

F22 and f35 are quite fuel thirsty due to overtuned engines generating really high thrust. f22 could only carry limited 2x aim9x and 4x amraams or JDAMs and SDB. F35 carries only 4x air to air or 2x Amraam & 2x JDAMs or few 250lb SDBs. It's like replacing f117 nighthawk. If America replaced all f15/16/18 with f22/35, these aircraft can't perform ground sorties well and will need a lot of them to do the jobs of fighters they are replacing.

The j20, it needs large internal bay to carry maybe 8x air to air missiles or 4x air to air & 4x air to ground minimum to be effective multi~role fighter. It is larger and longer, should be able to meet such requirements. It has enough room to have cwb like f15se

F-22 are not fuel thirsty. The supercruise abilities allow F-22 to cruise at supersonic speed w/o turning on afterburner. Meaning more fuel efficient and longer range. Where did you get the ideal F22 are fuel thirsty?

 

[Deino]

Like I expected from Adam.Y !
... and now the discussion on what nozzle, what type of engines is on again !

 

[kungfugymnast]

F-22 are not fuel thirsty. The supercruise abilities allow F-22 to cruise at supersonic speed w/o turning on afterburner. Meaning more fuel efficient and longer range. Where did you get the ideal F22 are fuel thirsty?

F22 burns more fuel per second than the f15e & su30mk on dry thrust. If you cruise, the f22 could go 900nm with full internal loads. But for combat air patrol, the f22 will go bingo fuel sooner than other aircrafts. The same goes to f35, it's thirsty for fuel.

The j20, it needs 2 variants, 1 with weaker engine for better fuel efficiency patrol and another with powerful supercuise engine for attack and interceptor role

 

[kungfugymnast]

China only access to tvc IR guided missile with off boresight capability would be the r73. Since china favours Western tech, the seeker would be improved version of pl9 derived from python3 added with r73 seeker tech. This Iris equivalent should work better than r73.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Like I expected from Adam.Y !
... and now the discussion on what nozzle, what type of engines is on again !

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these pics easily show the side bays. i wonder if they are able to hold bvraam's?

 

[j20blackdragon]

I have a feeling the '2016' engines are not AL-31 to begin with.

Unpainted AL-31 engines look like this. We've seen it before on the original J-20 prototypes.

J-20 2016 engines look like this.

They don't look like the same engines to me.

The length of the nozzles are different.

The color is different.

Moreover, why adjust the shape of the DSI bumps (and alter airflow) for the exact same AL-31 engines?