Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Arsalan]

yes indeed,
if there is no way out and we have to go for a specialized marintime strike aircraft, J-11 serves better then he JH-7.
the JH-7 is no match for what threats we may face as described by Sir. Muse.

regards!

 

[MZUBAIR]

I don,t think a Current Rose mirage can defeat a Mig21 BISON.

The bison mig21s have Kypo radar and HMS and CARRY r77 bvrS. tHEY ALSO CARRY new jammers and some say ram coating to further reduce RCS of a already small fighter.

The American pilot in THE INDO AMERICAN EXCERCISES who criticised the
SU30MKII DID MENTION THE MIG21 sneaking up behind F15s...

They are old frames but sneaky little buggers thanks to upgrades

Wrong Dude.....Mirage ROSE are much superior then Mig21 Biason.

Radar :- This radar is the Italian copy of APG-68 and has full look down shoot down capability.
Source

Other features like multi-function displays (MFD), head-up display (HUD), HOTAS controls, radar altimeter and a Sagem navigation attack system, night-time precision strike capability , in-flight refuelling probes, SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system, advanced beyond visual range (BVR) air to air missiles (Copy of Darter missiles, South Africa), short range missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder, Raad Cruise missile, H2, H4 surface to ground mssiles, French Exocet Anti Ship missile.

Is their any thing Mig Biason have superior to PAF Mirages.

 

[softtec]

Wrong Dude.....Mirage ROSE are much superior then Mig21 Biason.

Radar :- This radar is the Italian copy of APG-68 and has full look down shoot down capability.
Source

Other features like multi-function displays (MFD), head-up display (HUD), HOTAS controls, radar altimeter and a Sagem navigation attack system, night-time precision strike capability , in-flight refuelling probes, SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system, advanced beyond visual range (BVR) air to air missiles (Copy of Darter missiles, South Africa), short range missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder, Raad Cruise missile, H2, H4 surface to ground mssiles, French Exocet Anti Ship missile.

Is their any thing Mig Biason have superior to PAF Mirages.

I have heard that Mirage rose upgrade good on A to G operations and Mig21 Bison is a good as interceptor. If takes mig21Bison to red flag than u can think how confident they r.Forget about PAF mirage,the famous F16 fighters couldn't even locate it and when they see it they couldn't lock the missile..LOL..And F16 ur front line fighter.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Wrong Dude.....Mirage ROSE are much superior then Mig21 Biason.

Radar :- This radar is the Italian copy of APG-68 and has full look down shoot down capability.
Source

Other features like multi-function displays (MFD), head-up display (HUD), HOTAS controls, radar altimeter and a Sagem navigation attack system, night-time precision strike capability , in-flight refuelling probes, SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system, advanced beyond visual range (BVR) air to air missiles (Copy of Darter missiles, South Africa), short range missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder, Raad Cruise missile, H2, H4 surface to ground mssiles, French Exocet Anti Ship missile.

Is their any thing Mig Biason have superior to PAF Mirages.

But in terms of Maneuverability and carrying BVR missile, Bison is superior because we know PAF Mirage have BVR capability but we havent seen any BVR missile with it....although we have heard about Pakistan's R-Darter copy.but for me "seeing is believing".
While Mirage have no compression with Bison in terms of ATG roll.
Paf mirages are far more superior then Bison in ATG roll.

 

[TOPGUN]

I have heard that Mirage rose upgrade good on A to G operations and Mig21 Bison is a good as interceptor. If takes mig21Bison to red flag than u can think how confident they r.Forget about PAF mirage,the famous F16 fighters couldn't even locate it and when they see it they couldn't lock the missile..LOL..And F16 ur front line fighter.

Please wake up to reailty pop and now you are up lolz you are now comparing the flying coffen with the viper the dumbest thing i ever heard please go read up learn some knowledge and then come back with your response keep your silly pride to your self.

 

[khurasaan1]

Be reasonable -- the aircraft is a light fighter - that it can perform other roles is not being challenged - it is being suggested that other aircraft offer capabilities that the JFT at present does not , namely range, payload, twin engine

bro...ur objections r reasonable but still the designer of the aircraft knowz better than both of us what to do with this fighter and how to use it. Anywayz using it as multirole it is very good approach to use in maritime...I think the multirole doesnt all the times means that it will be acting 100% multirole but maybe to some extent regarding its payload ability.On the other hand it is possible to utilize its systems also for 100% maritime puposes only as it has the respective supportive systems under the conditions if we dont utilize its payload for other roles. This will save extra resources to develop different platform for the naval puposes only.
I believe we should trust our technology and strive to enhance it in a more agressive way as possible; to be independant.I guess Alhamdolillah our designerz r very successful in developing such a platform to some extent.
just my 2 cents bro...

 

[khurasaan1]

I have heard that Mirage rose upgrade good on A to G operations and Mig21 Bison is a good as interceptor. If takes mig21Bison to red flag than u can think how confident they r.Forget about PAF mirage,the famous F16 fighters couldn't even locate it and when they see it they couldn't lock the missile..LOL..And F16 ur front line fighter.

hey i guess then India should buy all the mirage bisonz...cuz they so superior to mirages & F-16nz ...

 

[Indian-Devil]

Other features like multi-function displays (MFD), head-up display (HUD), HOTAS controls, radar altimeter and a Sagem navigation attack system, night-time precision strike capability , in-flight refuelling probes, SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system, advanced beyond visual range (BVR) air to air missiles (Copy of Darter missiles, South Africa), short range missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder, Raad Cruise missile, H2, H4 surface to ground mssiles, French Exocet Anti Ship missile.

Is their any thing Mig Biason have superior to PAF Mirages.

Will you provide the source for this claim?? Then it can be compared with other aircraft and can check if its really better.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Keep the discussion to Mirages, no need to bring in some other fighter jet, as it will again change into a Vs competition thread.

So be careful.

 

[SBD-3]

Sir, above the Arabian Sea, fighters will not only be doing ship hunting, rather they would be doing aerial battles too. IN is having Mig-29s for itself, can a JH-7As counter the Mig-29s ?? I doubt it.

If we buy JH-7, it will be a burden on us, not only they will have no real A2A capability but will have to be provided escorts for protection from enemy planes, so they are gonna take more resources rather then being of any big help.

So, then why not have a platform, which is not only a maritime strike fighter, but rather a multi-role, so that same Sqd can do air defence roles as well as maritime strike operations.

So either FC-20s, or if possible, then J-11s, as they can truly be used as multi-role fighter and a very goo match for the adversary.

Agreed given that the basic configuration remains the same, Thunder will be able to carry only one (under the belly) or two Antiship missiles (HP 3,4) at max (cuz fuel tanks and A2A on the rest of the HPs) though FC-20 will be coming with more hard points yet its not clear yet that like JFT, it may possibally include a more reliable western engine. The Airforces around the world prefer twin engines due to reliablity factor. FC-20 with a Chinese or a Russian engine will be very risky at seas. So if FC-20 comes with a proven western engine, we may be comfortable in handing over this role to them otherwise go for a twin engine. regarding J-11B, I think J-15 rather than J-11B would be a better choice as it is basically ment for carrier and maritime operations. But with 9000Kg Load capability and 4 AShm missiles carrying capability which makes JH-7A still a potent platform comparable to any other good strike aircraft around

 

[MZUBAIR]

PAF Have the R-Darter (missile)

The R-Darter is a beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile guided by an active radar homing seeker. It was designed and manufactured by the South African firm Denel Dynamics for its Cheetah C fighter aircraft (Upgraded Dassault Mirage III )

The deal was kept secret coz, South African air-to-air missile program was benefited from cooperation with Israel. R -Darter is similar to Python Derby.
R-Darter range is >60 km

Source about R-Darter.

 

[niaz]

Let us face it, Mig 21's as well as Mirage 3/5's are based on 50 year old airframe design. First prototype of both aircrafts first flew in the late 50’s. Both were great aircrafts of the 60’s era. Aerospace technology in the airframe design, engine design and avionics has come a long way since.

No matter what improvements are made to these aircrafts, IMO neither would be able to compete against modern designs such as F-16, F-18, Mig-29, Mirage 2000, MK1 or even JF17 for that matter, in actual combat conditions. Both the IAF & PAF continue with these old machines for the want of anything better.

Therefore comparison between these two aircrafts is like saying that my jalopy is better than your jalopy.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

IRST POD for Mirage

PAF Mirage -5EF (Ex-French Airforce), I believe this is ROSE III and showed off during Paris Air Show 2005, with SAGEM avionic and weapon package.
Also notice the Targeting POD, Mirage-5f can be fitted with targeting POD as well.

 

[Silk]

PAF Mirage -5EF (Ex-French Airforce), I believe this is ROSE III and showed off during Paris Air Show 2005, with SAGEM avionic and weapon package.
Also notice the Targeting POD, Mirage-5f can be fitted with targeting POD as well.

I can tell you that the planes was fitted with components and weapons that were not part of the deal. It was just to display the options for other possible candidates.

 

[Dazzler]

I can tell you that the planes was fitted with components and weapons that were not part of the deal. It was just to display the options for other possible candidates.

Yes all that was displayed can be integrated on any Mirage 3-5 upgraded with MAESTRO/ ROSE package otherwise they would have shown all this on a Mirage 2000.