Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Pakistani Fighter]

Probably.

Is Raptor III Subsonic or Supersonic?

 

[Basel]

They might be coming, re-engined and full glass cockpit Mirages. We’ll have to rename them as nothing of the old mirage will be left in them.

If Egypt mirages are purchased then BVR capable mirage is possible.

Sorry forgot about the new AESA

If we are going like Zero hour airframe / Kfir NG then low cost Chinese AESA or even Grifo-E should be considered as it will add teeth and Mirage will become very capable force multiplier in air to air domain too also will be able to protect it self in war where PAF will need ever fighter to be available for its defined role instead of doing Escort of strike package.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Is Raptor III Subsonic or Supersonic?

Subsonic.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

If Egypt mirages are purchased then BVR capable mirage is possible.



If we are going like Zero hour airframe / Kfir NG then low cost Chinese AESA or even Grifo-E should be considered as it will add teeth and Mirage will become very capable force multiplier in air to air domain too also will be able to protect it self in war where PAF will need ever fighter to be available for its defined role instead of doing Escort of strike package.

What BVR you will integerate in Mirages after upgrade?

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Interesting. So the Raptor III can technically handle a warhead of up to 1,000 kg (vs. the H2/H4's 600 kg). Overall, it looks like a great package, and workable from the JF-17B/Block-III. It would be surprising if the PAF didn't buy it out.

 

[Max Pain]

Deltas are love... @denel

In my opinion Delta wing aircrafts are the most beautiful looking and the mirage tops them all. such sleakness and elegance.

 

[Basel]

What BVR you will integerate in Mirages after upgrade?

It depends what Radar you put, if JFT block-2 radar can be fitted then SD-10 will be BVR, one should note that previous Blocks will get AESA radar so used PD BVR capable radar will be free of cost available for mirages.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

handle a warhead of up to 1,000 kg

Weapon Mass is mentioned as greater than 1000kg. Is weapon=warhead?

previous Blocks will get AESA radar

Will take years for it

 

[Nomad40]

What BVR you will integerate in Mirages after upgrade?

No.

 

[Basel]

Weapon Mass is mentioned as greater than 1000kg. Is weapon=warhead?


Will take years for it

Will takes years to upgrade all aircrafts but still some will be upgraded and those radars will be available also we can directly get new KLJV2/3 for mirages if feasible.

 

[princefaisal]

Raptor III offers a much larger warhead (600 kg vs 200-300 kg) and longer range (280 km).

How about SOM-J missile?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Weapon Mass is mentioned as greater than 1000kg. Is weapon=warhead?

You're right, my mistake. Weapon Mass =/= Warhead.

So, the warhead could still be around 600 kg.

How about SOM-J missile?

The SOM is a smaller ALCM (total mass: 500 kg / warhead mass: 230 kg). It definitely serves a role, but it would complement a Raptor III-like weapon (600 kg warhead mass).

Moreover, Pakistan shouldn't have a lot of trouble developing its own equivalent to the SOM: basically a lighter, shorter-ranged and more compact Ra'ad II. With SOM/Ra'ad ALCM designs, I like the idea of using them for niche roles, such as dropping sub-munitions (on runways and air defence), EMP warheads, etc.

 

[Path-Finder]

Interesting. So the Raptor III can technically handle a warhead of up to 1,000 kg (vs. the H2/H4's 600 kg). Overall, it looks like a great package, and workable from the JF-17B/Block-III. It would be surprising if the PAF didn't buy it out.

and, it has a little turbofan/jet as range extender. I wonder If NESCOM can do it to H2/4!

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

and, it has a little turbofan/jet as range extender. I wonder If NESCOM can do it to H2/4!

I say we should be switching from H2/H4 to the Raptor III.

I think the Raptor III design draws on the Tariq/Umbani tech. So, I do think the end-user can modularize shorter-ranged versions, e.g., a 120 km with rocket-booster (like H4) and a 60 km range glider (like H2). Basically all from one new platform that can fit under the wings of the JF-17.

However, we can go a step further and truly go next-gen. If we can at least develop a simple low-cost miniature turbojet engine at home, we could make 120 km / 60 km versions that can cruise. So now, the JF-17s can offer H2/H4-like capability, but with low-altitude launch.