Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Basel]

HMS on M3/5s, you already have secure comms from us. Cheetah equivalent retrofitment for all the M3/5s.

On land, we are the leaders on infantry vehicles and artillery; manpacks etc.

Our M-3/5s have HMS?? If that is true then why no A-Darter on them?

 

[denel]

Our M-3/5s have HMS?? If that is true then why no A-Darter on them?

no they dont have HMS; i was answering to the other gentleman @Basel this is available.

 

[Basel]

no they dont have HMS; i was answering to the other gentleman @Basel this is available.

Good avionics, HMS/D with BVR + 5th gen WVR a upgraded extended life M-3/5 will be able to handle all non 5th gen bird threats in NCW environment.

 

[ziaulislam]

Good avionics, HMS/D with BVR + 5th gen WVR a upgraded extended life M-3/5 will be able to handle all non 5th gen bird threats in NCW environment.

if anything at all, it should be BVR upgrade...with its air frame and no fly by wire..would we want WVR battle?

 

[Deltadart]

Good avionics, HMS/D with BVR + 5th gen WVR a upgraded extended life M-3/5 will be able to handle all non 5th gen bird threats in NCW environment.

But there is one problem. Who is going to make PAF do this? They are their own master's. Our legislature nor the defense affairs committee have a clue about such matters. Only thing they are concerned about is how to loot and plunder the nation.
Unfortunately, We don't have any serious discussion on this topic from the non online think tanks. We have one or two but they never gave this topic a thought.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

But there is one problem. Who is going to make PAF do this? They are their own master's. Our legislature nor the defense affairs committee have a clue about such matters. Only thing they are concerned about is how to loot and plunder the nation.
Unfortunately, We don't have any serious discussion on this topic from the non online think tanks. We have one or two but they never gave this topic a thought.

Just Imagine 100+ BVR capable M3/M5 and 50+ JF Block 3s!!!!

 

[Deltadart]

Just Imagine 100+ BVR capable M3/M5 and 50+ JF Block 3s!!!!

I have no problem with it. I say why not 300 mirages with this configuration. If we can afford. But than jf17 is everything. We want to go out with all our eggs in one basket. Mere mention of an assembly line for New mirages is a sacrilege.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I have no problem with it. I say why not 300 mirages with this configuration. If we can afford. But than jf17 is everything. We want to go out with all our eggs in one basket. Mere mention of an assembly line for New mirages is a sacrilege.

At current config it can can 7000 kgs of ordinance. Denel said that its engine can be replaced with RD-93 which is smaller,lighter and has more thrust. Engine swap will increase its payload capacity and also provide room for more upgrades.

I don't know how authentic this statement is but i read somewhere that since M3/M5 production has been stopped for a long time we have full rights to do whatever we want to do with this machine.

 

[Deltadart]

At current config it can can 7000 kgs of ordinance. Denel said that its engine can be replaced with RD-93 which is smaller,lighter and has more thrust. Engine swap will increase its payload capacity and also provide room for more upgrades.

I don't know how authentic this statement is but i read somewhere that since M3/M5 production has been stopped for a long time we have full rights to do whatever we want to do with this machine.

Israel did it, SA did it so what is our fear? It's an excuse for not doing something.

 

[The Eagle]

I have no problem with it. I say why not 300 mirages with this configuration. If we can afford. But than jf17 is everything. We want to go out with all our eggs in one basket. Mere mention of an assembly line for New mirages is a sacrilege.

In short, this is not about the one basket rather having the number of eggs. The economic constrains & the growing threat along with our choices & options, does play a lot of part in this regard. Had we enjoyed the luxury like any other nation with big pockets; PAF would have gone every possible route but that is the dream only till economy stabilizes. Current route of Thunder Block-III with possible new acquisition and future planing in regard to Azm are the main factors to emphasis. The wishes or ideas are not wrong but bashing the Institute without due consideration of unavoidable circumstances, is totally unfair to begin with. Above all, public will know very less in certain domains that men in uniform will keep everything with them and for plausible reasons.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

In short, this is not about the one basket rather having the number of eggs. The economic constrains & the growing threat along with our choices & options, does play a lot of part in this regard. Had we enjoyed the luxury like any other nation with big pockets; PAF would have gone every possible route but that is the dream only till economy stabilizes. Current route of Thunder Block-III with possible new acquisition and future planing in regard to Azm are the main factors to emphasis. The wishes or ideas are not wrong but bashing the Institute without due consideration of unavoidable circumstances, is totally unfair to begin with. Above all, public will know very less in certain domains that men in uniform will keep everything with them and for plausible reasons.

But there is a big gap between today and AZM. More F-16s doesn't look possible option. What will bridge that gap???

If we have to keep Mirages operational till 2030 why not add another capability (BVR) which will a very effective deterrent for any adversary???

 

[Deltadart]

In short, this is not about the one basket rather having the number of eggs. The economic constrains & the growing threat along with our choices & options, does play a lot of part in this regard. Had we enjoyed the luxury like any other nation with big pockets; PAF would have gone every possible route but that is the dream only till economy stabilizes. Current route of Thunder Block-III with possible new acquisition and future planing in regard to Azm are the main factors to emphasis. The wishes or ideas are not wrong but bashing the Institute without due consideration of unavoidable circumstances, is totally unfair to begin with. Above all, public will know very less in certain domains that men in uniform will keep everything with them and for plausible reasons.

Point noted. However even when the funds were available, they didn't do much about the mirage upgrades besides the ROSE. Much more was possible without breaking the bank.

 

[The Eagle]

But there is a big gap between today and AZM. More F-16s doesn't look possible option. What will bridge that gap???

If we have to keep Mirages operational till 2030 why not add another capability (BVR) which will a very effective deterrent for any adversary???

I was merely stating the possible route with primary to secondary etc steps. The plan as such.

Point noted. However even when the funds were available, they didn't do much about the mirage upgrades besides the ROSE. Much more was possible without breaking the bank.

Yes, there were funds but then, there were diplomatic circumstances as well as going for more modern warfare machine beside investing for self reliance. Having said that; you can't ignore the depth of your pocket while fulfilling your wishes. Mirage-III/V-Rose are configured per threat assessment with best possible weapons in lieu of budget as well as their respective role to play in modern warfare. Upgrades are always welcome but then again, you have priorities as per threat assessment. Strike package shall be offensive but that comes later when you have the dominance in Air with best punch to cover Mirages. Mix configuration having different platforms in Air makes it more difficult for the foe. Mirages in current form are doing the best as expected till, we have a good size of budgetary to spend.

 

[Deltadart]

Yes, there were funds but then, there were diplomatic circumstances as well as going for more modern warfare machine beside investing for self reliance. Having said that; you can't ignore the depth of your pocket while fulfilling your wishes. Mirage-III/V-Rose are configured per threat assessment with best possible weapons in lieu of budget as well as their respective role to play in modern warfare. Upgrades are always welcome but then again, you have priorities as per threat assessment. Strike package shall be offensive but that comes later when you have the dominance in Air with best punch to cover Mirages. Mix configuration having different platforms in Air makes it more difficult for the foe. Mirages in current form are doing the best as expected till, we have a good size of budgetary to spend.[/QUOTE]

I was merely stating the possible route with primary to secondary etc steps. The plan as such.



Yes, there were funds but then, there were diplomatic circumstances as well as going for more modern warfare machine beside investing for self reliance. Having said that; you can't ignore the depth of your pocket while fulfilling your wishes. Mirage-III/V-Rose are configured per threat assessment with best possible weapons in lieu of budget as well as their respective role to play in modern warfare. Upgrades are always welcome but then again, you have priorities as per threat assessment. Strike package shall be offensive but that comes later when you have the dominance in Air with best punch to cover Mirages. Mix configuration having different platforms in Air makes it more difficult for the foe. Mirages in current form are doing the best as expected till, we have a good size of budgetary to spend.

Our economy has always been our Achilles heel. It is not about to take off anytime soon. Since no more military aid will be forthcoming from the old sources, so where do we go from here?

 

[The Eagle]

Our economy has always been our Achilles heel. It is not about to take off anytime soon. Since no more military aid will be forthcoming from the old sources, so where do we go from here?

Military aid was never about to build our Military at full rather, that aid was to support our purchases in respective domain so that the money stays there and we have the equipment. In current times; one can see that we are moving forward in mix of purchase but more of self reliance. The emphasis remains on ToT as well as training to catch the fish by ourselves. One cannot ignore the fact that Military itself can't do much as long as diplomacy is weak. After a long time, we are seeing some progress whereby geopolitics is changing while our diplomatic force is active that pretty much comes handy in regard to fulfill our Military Requirements.

Once I am weak to pay upfront, the area can be covered by political office. Just look at JF-17 development, our self reliance in regard to manufacturing some offensive weapons by ourselves and then, we are moving ahead with indigenous solutions in mix with ToT from friendly countries. As far as the mix of diplomacy & military chemistry remains affective; you will find more of progress. I will repeat again that not everything is being told to the public but on other hand, pay attention to the development in various areas from diplomatic offices to the geopolitics along with our importance in region and then, the role of Military to maintain the peace then you will see as where we are heading. Conclusively in regard to Military build up, understand the tactics that we don't or cannot rely much upon quantity rather, we choose to take routes with quality & fruition to fulfill our needs as well as helping ourselves to build the best of defence for the country. Be it Air, Land or Sea; just look at how Forces are moving ahead in acquisitions & development.

Remember that once JF-17 Thunder was in development; was mostly quoted as a counter to LCA Tejas but later on, the same performed much more than expected and proven to be at par with some of the most advanced fighters in arena, in several domains. That does not mean that it comes as a surprise for the Air-Force but our emphasis is on quality & building the most offensive product based upon available weapon option whereby Military will keep it under many wraps. Mirage in current form is delivering good enough and surely, men-in-Blue knows very well as what we need or could be done as per available resources.