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Big attack on Chaman Border crossing

The poor " Martial race" can do only one thing to justify their existence and feel good. That is war.
Be it with kaafir, Muslim , foreign invader or neighbours, or between each other. All the same.
That's what happens when you teach glory in war and disruption to your children and nothing else.
The entire country is good for nothing. No infrastructure, no economy, no brains. Just war and more war.
 
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The poor " Martial race" can do only one thing to justify their existence and feel good. That is war.
Be it with kaafir, Muslim , foreign invader or neighbours, or between each other. All the same.
That's what happens when you teach glory in war and disruption to your children and nothing else.
The entire country is good for nothing. No infrastructure, no economy, no brains. Just war and more war.
They are a marital race though, their mountainous geography and tribal set up supports it but doesn't mean they can't be defeated and subdued lol

Ok. You must be right.

It's not Afghans attaching you then.
Who said Afghans were not attacking us?
 
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They are a marital race though, their mountainous geography and tribal set up supports it but doesn't mean they can't be defeated and subdued lol


Who said Afghans were not attacking us?
Their definition of victory is having no peace ever.
When the Soviets left, they butchered each other for 7 years.
Now when the Americans left they are fighting with every neighbours.
Specially Pakistan who provides every grain of food they eat, because they only grow charas 😅
 
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GHQ/Military Establishment should take things very seriously now. They're losing massive support from Pakistanis across the world. I talked about terror attacks (Chaman recently and some more) and the border situation with many Pakistanis over the past few months and they literally don't give a **** now. For them, Imran Khan is the final red line. Mil establishment crossed it, so overseas turned against them (Thanks to our pathetic Army generals who have no idea what they've done). Pakistan is basically 30-40% run by overseas. They are a real driving force behind the country's economy either investment or remit. They are the ones who convinced foreign investors to invest in Pakistan and now they are the ones who actually not only halted their investments but also convinced foreign investors not to invest in Pakistan.

This is quite evident if you see the situation carefully from the business point of view. In recent interviews with overseas investors especially members of the chamber of commerce overseas, Pakistani anchors, journalists, and property investors, everyone openly talks about it how Imran Khan is everything overseas. The situation is very critical when it comes to FDI and remittances. Until Mil surrendered against Khan and officially apologized for what they have done to Pakistan (April 2022 precisely), they are not interested to invest nor interested to talk about any sort of investment in the country.

Interestingly, they were the same who had shown extreme concern about the terror situation in Pakistan before. They know, they matter a lot when it comes to 30-40BN+ or perhaps more investment + remittance. They know we are the ones who are the real force behind Pakistan's economy. They thoroughly believe that Pakistan's Military establishment was behind IK's and all this regime change operation. Its a mutual consensus among the overseas (kids, young, old age/elite or middle) that Pakistan's military establishment was behind all that mess, they're the ones who installed these corrupt PDM brigade on Pakistan and ruined everything, they believe that Pakistan Army is solely responsible of Pakistan's current economic and political situation, they are openly calling Pak Army Generals "traitors and enemy of Pakistan" at every event and on every stage.

Pakistan military has to think now. The damage done by Bajwa and this Army is beyond repairable. You can't bring any single penny without overseas. Pakistanis sitting in Pakistan can't do jack quite frankly, they are incapable to run the country. There is no way to generate 3$0 - $40BN USD $$$ follow... These terror attacks are either real or drama, Overseas and many in Pakistan don't take ISPR's word seriously anymore...

Whata disaster ISPR/GHQ.... rest was done by this criminal regime after changing the law of overseas voting...

Let's congratulate pathetic third-grade military generals for removing love from the hearts and minds of Pakistanis.... India can't achieve that in the next 200+ years what Bajwa did to Pakistan...
 
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The poor " Martial race" can do only one thing to justify their existence and feel good. That is war.
Be it with kaafir, Muslim , foreign invader or neighbours, or between each other. All the same.
That's what happens when you teach glory in war and disruption to your children and nothing else.
The entire country is good for nothing. No infrastructure, no economy, no brains. Just war and more war.
they are the Orks of Warhammer 40K Universe.
their life is unending war and conflict.
 
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GHQ/Military Establishment should take things now very seriously. They're losing massive support from Pakistanis across the world. I talked about these terror attacks and border situation with many Pakistanis over the past few months and they literally don't give a **** now. For them, Imran Khan is a final redline. Mil establishment crossed that, now overseas turned against them (Thanks to our pathetic Army generals who have no idea about what they've done). Pakistan is basically 30-40% fairly run by overseas. They are real driving force when it comes to ecnomy either investment or remit. They are the ones who convinced foreign investors to invest in Pakistan and now they are the ones who actually stopped not only their investments but also convinced foreign investors not to invest in Pakistan.

This is quite evident if you see the situation carefully from the business point of view. Pakistani anchors, journalists, property investors, and a recent interviews of the Overseas chamber of commerce officially openly talked about it in different programs that for overseas, Imran Khan is everything. Until Mil surrendered against Khan, they are not interested to invest nor interested to talk about any sort of investment in the country.

Interestingly, they were the same who had shown extreme concern about the terror situation in Pakistan before. They knows, they matter a lot when it comes to 30-40BN+ or pershaps more investment + remittance. They know we are the ones who are the real force behind Pakistan's economy. They thoroughly believe that Pakistan's Military establishment was behind IK's and all this regime change operation. Its a mutual consensus among the overseas (kids, young, old age/elite or middle) that Pakistan's military establishment was behind all that mess, they're the ones who installed these corrupt PDM brigade on Pakistan and ruined everything, they believe that Pakistan Army is sole responsible of Pakistan's current economic and political situation, they are openly calling Pak Army Generals "traitors and enemy of Pakistan" at every event and on every stage.

Pakistan military has to think now. The damage done by Bajwa and this Army is beyond repairable. You can't bring any single penny without overseas. Pakistanis sitting in Pakistan can't do jack quite frankly, they are incapable to run the country. There is no way to generate 3$0 - $40BN USD $$$ follow... These terror attacks are either real or drama, Overseas and many in Pakistan don't take ISPR's word seriously anymore...

Whata disaster ISPR/GHQ.... rest was done by this criminal regime after changing the law of overseas voting...

Let's congratulate pathetic third-grade military generals for removing love from the hearts and minds of Pakistanis.... India can't achieve that in the next 200+ years what Bajwa did to Pakistan...
I swear that I told my father that if it is not for my family, I won't send a single penny to Pak. Just, last year I was hoping to invest in property.
 
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Exactly.

You raise points as if you are know-it-all. You are not so, don’t present ideas that you can’t back up with information since you don’t have information instead you have insecurities and doubts.

There are people assigned for this job in different departments of Govt.
Please do let me know hum ne so called brahmos crash ka kiya jawab diya ?

Siwaye itney barey incident ko under the carpet kerney k .
 
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They are a marital race though, their mountainous geography and tribal set up supports it but doesn't mean they can't be defeated and subdued lol
Martial race had its importance at one time, but weapons, technology, tactics and strategy has changed that along with modernisation.
 
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What went wrong at the Chaman border

Following delegation level-talks, Afghan and Pakistani forces have agreed to resolve issues through engagement and avoid violence. But will the peace hold?

Tahir Khan
December 22, 2022


Delegations from Pakistan and Afghanistan met on Tuesday to chalk out a strategy to avoid skirmishes between border security forces at the Chaman-Spin Boldak border, which has seen several clashes in recent weeks.

During the exchange, officials from both sides agreed to resolve issues through “engagement and committed to refrain from use of force”, according to participants of the meeting who spoke to Dawn.com.

But why has the Chaman border been in the news over the last few days and what are the contentious issues here?

Clashes at the border​

Over the last few weeks, there has been a flurry of activity and skirmishes between the Afghan Taliban and Pakistan’s security forces along the country’s western border. The developments came as a surprise to many, as it is usually the eastern border that is perceived to be problematic.
So dire had the situation become that in a rare move, Pakistani forces on Dec 16 sent reinforcements along with heavy weapons to the border with Afghanistan to give a “befitting response” to the Taliban forces, a security source in Balochistan told Dawn.com.



The decision to send the heavy reinforcements came in the wake of deadly skirmishes at the Chaman border, where at least two clashes have been reported this month alone.
The latest attack was reported on Dec 15, 2022, when Afghan Taliban forces fired mortar shells across the Chaman border into Pakistan, killing one Pakistani civilian and injuring at least 16 other citizens. This incident followed a similar cross-border attack from the Afghan side on Dec 11 which claimed the lives of six Pakistani civilians and left 17 others injured, according to the Pakistani military.
Earlier on Nov 14, an armed man standing with the Taliban border troops opened fire on Pakistani security personnel at Friendship Gate, resulting in the martyrdom of one soldier and leaving two others wounded, the military had stated. Pakistani officials believe that the assailant was from the Taliban, but the latter have denied this. The attacker has not yet been arrested.
Despite the gravity of the events, Pakistan and the Taliban government have not offered official word as to what led to the two recent clashes.
When Dawn.com reached out to an official of the Pakistan military’s media wing, he replied, “Getting back”. There was no comment till the filing of this report. Mumtaz Zahra Baloch, the spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, declined to comment. The Afghan defence ministry spokesman Enayatullah Khwarizmi also declined to comment when Dawn.com approached him on Dec 17.
Nevertheless, what is clear from the recent clashes is that dealing with the Taliban’s Islamic Emirate government will be a major challenge for Pakistan, particularly in view of the mistrust among the Taliban leaders about Pakistan — something I have personally witnessed during my six visits to Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover in August last year.
But what triggered the unrest along the western border? Why are the Afghan Taliban targeting Pakistan’s security forces as well as civilians this side of the border?

The fence​

The border fence is one of the major sources of contention for both sides. According to a Pakistani security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the recent heavy floods in Balochistan had damaged the fence in several spots. When Pakistani forces attempted to do the necessary repairs, the Afghan Taliban forces opened fire at them.
“Pakistan has also adopted a similar policy to stop the Afghan side from doing any construction near the border and had conveyed the same to them in a meeting around two months ago. We stopped them from carrying out the construction of a police post,” he said, giving an example.
Pakistan started constructing the fence along the 2,611-kilometre border with Afghanistan in March 2017, in a bid to prevent cross-border militant attacks and also curb the cross-border smuggling of narcotics and other goods.

Over the years, the military has built forts and hundreds of posts and also installed surveillance cameras to check any movement along the border, which still remains quite porous.

The issue is that Afghanistan does not recognise the border with Pakistan — the Durand Line — while Pakistan says it is a recognised international border and a closed chapter, ruling out any negotiations on its status.

The government of former President Ashraf Ghani had publicly opposed the fencing of the border but could not resist the plan as the US-led Nato forces were also in favour of Pakistan’s efforts. Some also believe the Ghani administration had given tacit approval to the plan, in contrast to their public stance.

What is unfortunate, said the Pakistani official, is that “the Afghan side fired artillery shells and mortars on civilian areas in Chaman city. Several mortars did not explode, otherwise there would have been many more civilian casualties. Our retaliation was targeted and caused severe damage to the other side.”

For his part, Afghan government spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid told Dawn.com on Monday that the Taliban leaders have formed a committee to ensure that such incidents of violence do not take place in the future.

“This is not the approach of the Islamic Emirate to create any problem or mistrust with Pakistan. We want solution to the issues along the borders or gates and do not want create any problem,” said Mujahid.

“Pakistan should also not create sensitivities. We have taken measures to control the situation after the recent incidents. Formation of the committee shows our seriousness to stop any such incident in future,” he added.

Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan​

The outlawed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is also one of the factors behind the tensions at the border. The TTP men were also present with the Afghan Taliban when they started work on building the police post, the official said. “The TTP is exploiting the situation,” he added.

Although the focus of the TTP is Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, the group also carries out attacks in Balochistan.

After announcing an end to a months-long ceasefire on Nov 28, the TTP has intensified its attacks in Pakistani territory. The militant group claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing, targeting a police patrol vehicle near Quetta on Nov 30 that killed four individuals, including a police officer. The vehicle was parked near a Balochistan Constabulary truck in Quetta’s Baleli area.

Authorities believe the TTP was also behind the late night attack on a police station in Lakki Marwat, which claimed the lives of four police personnel and left as many injured.

Pakistan’s frustration at the TTP’s spike in activities is growing and Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto’s remarks at the United Nations on Dec 16 were a reflection of the same.

Addressing the UN event, Bilawal said Pakistan will not tolerate cross-border terrorism by the TTP, the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) and other militant groups, adding that Islamabad reserved the right to take direct action against them. Pakistani officials say these groups operate from the Afghan side of the border.

For their part, the Afghan Taliban have always denied the presence of the TTP and other anti-Pakistan groups and insisted that they will not allow anyone to use Afghan soil against any country.

Anti-Pakistan Taliban​

The Pakistani security official said that there is a perception among the Pakistani authorities that the Afghan Taliban deployed along the border have a hostile and aggressive approach towards Pakistan.

The Taliban from the southern parts of Afghanistan are known for their anti-Pakistan stance, as I have observed during my interactions with the Taliban leaders.



Several of these Taliban leaders from the southern areas were put behind bars in Balochistan in security operations when they lived in Quetta and other parts of the country.

When asked about the Pakistani officials’ concerns in this regard, Mujahid said that his government did not want “irrelevant people” to exploit the situation.
“I also categorically reject the notion of deployment of anti-Pakistani elements along the borders,” said Mujahid.

Post-Taliban takeover​

The recent border incidents between Afghanistan and Pakistan cannot be seen in isolation and are in fact reflective of the widening gulf between Pakistan and Afghanistan, particularly after the Afghan Taliban took control of Afghanistan in August 2021.

The problems started with sporadic incidents along the border and further inflamed by irresponsible statements and videos posted by some supporters of the Afghan Taliban on social media containing derogatory and aggressive remarks about Pakistan. They have, however, recently escalated into actual acts of what the Pakistani military termed “uncalled for aggression” by Afghan security forces, which are now comprised of the Afghan Taliban.

Here, Pakistan faces a serious dilemma. The Afghan interim government,
particularly their field commanders, fail to show any remorse over these continuing acts of aggression by Afghanistan as they blame Pakistan for initiating the fire.

If Pakistan eschews these incidents like the ones in the past, the domestic pressure on the government is likely to increase with the demand for a befitting response. A military retaliation, on the other hand, could be embarrassing as it would be seen as a complete failure of Pakistan’s Afghan policy.

A better approach undoubtedly would be to engage with Afghanistan through political and institutional channels and have a frank discussion to seek a resolution of the concerns on both sides.

This is not an impossible task. Unfortunately for the past several months, while some countries in the region continue to engage with the Afghan interim government, others like Pakistan are finding it difficult to have a meaningful dialogue with Afghan authorities. The delegation-level talks held earlier this week, however, could be the breakthrough needed.

These difficulties have been further exacerbated in the wake of the withdrawal of US and Nato forces from Afghanistan, when many regional countries started facing security constraints, restricting the normal functioning of their embassies and diplomats.

These constraints came to a head in September 2022, following an attack on the Russian Embassy in Kabul that led to the killing of two Russian diplomats. On Dec 2, Pakistan’s Chargé d’Affaires (CdA) to Afghanistan Ubaidur Rehman Nizamani was targeted in an attack at the Pakistani embassy in Kabul. While Nizamani remained unhurt, a security guard, Sepoy Israr Mohammad, was “critically injured”.

Recently, the militant group Daesh claimed responsibility for an attack at a hotel in which Chinese expatriate workers normally stay in Kabul.

These incidents have further increased mistrust between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban, while also reducing the space for engagement of the three key regional countries — Pakistan, China and Russia.

While both sides have promised, for now, to maintain the sanctity of the fence and amicably resolve other contentious issues that may arise, it remains to be seen how long the peace lasts.


 
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Martial race had its importance at one time, but weapons, technology, tactics and strategy has changed that along with modernisation.
Yes I agree, we are in an age of technology, the true martial races of today are those with the highest IQ.

But even then we live in a more globalised world where technology is shared and sold.
 
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