Bangladesh Air Force Purchased LY-80 medium range SAM

[bluesky]

Ah, the old 'Bengalis are Persians and Turks' argument.

Yes, many of the Turks, Afghans and Mughals immigrated and settled here and throughout northern India as well as many parts of south during the many Centuries from 1200 AD to 1750 AD. I stick to my previous statement that our Turkic Sultan Ghiyasuddin Azam Shah sent an expedition team consisting of the then mix of Turks, Afghans and local Bangali Muslims to restore a Buddhist King to its throne in Arakan. Rohigyas are their desendents, and they are not today's Bangladeshi. I am sorry, but, does a truth hurt your feeling?

 

[alaungphaya]

I stick to my previous statement that our Turkic Sultan Ghiyasuddin Azam Shah sent an expedition team consisting of the then mix of Turks, Afghans and local Bangali Muslims to restore a Buddhist King to its throne in Arakan. Rohigyas are their desendents, and they are not today's Bangladeshi. I am sorry, but, does a truth hurt your feeling?

Are you sure you want to stick to this story? It's pretty comical. Do you really think the Rohnigya are descendents of some ancient army detachment? What happened to the bengali coolies the British brought over? What happened to the bengali coolies that still came over after the British left? What happened to the coolies that keep sneaking into Yakhine with forged documents until Nagar Min stopped them? Did they all disappear into the ether?

 

[TopCat]

Are you sure you want to stick to this story? It's pretty comical. Do you really think the Rohnigya are descendents of some ancient army detachment? What happened to the bengali coolies the British brought over? What happened to the bengali coolies that still came over after the British left? What happened to the coolies that keep sneaking into Yakhine with forged documents until Nagar Min stopped them? Did they all disappear into the ether?

There were hardly any coolies from bengal rather brits hired coolies from orissa and andhra pradesh. Coolies dont speak bengali and they only served british and their lackies from british India. Rohingiyas are plain farmer and local to that area which had no commercial significance.

 

[Bilal9]

Do you think you are just going to start exporting to the U.S.? In your head that's a small logical step. In reality there are huge hurdles and it's not really going to happen.

I don't really want to get into a trolling or comparison match, but the fact is that Bangladeshi Pharma manufacturing standards have been judged adequately high for the US FDA to approve exports to the US market.

http://bdnews24.com/business/2015/0...s-square-beximco-to-export-drugs-to-us-market

This is not really a huge deal because Indian Pharma companies have been exporting to the US for years. Bangladeshi Pharma standards are not very much lower than Indian Pharma standards and this is not really a surprise.

By the way Myanmar is also a large market for Bangladeshi pharma products.

Saving lives is not a subject for arguments. Availability and accessibility of inexpensive Bangladeshi life-saving drugs in Myanmar is a boon and not a bad thing.

 

[alaungphaya]

I don't really want to get into a trolling or comparison match, but the fact is that Bangladeshi Pharma manufacturing standards have been judged adequately high for the US FDA to approve exports to the US market.

http://bdnews24.com/business/2015/0...s-square-beximco-to-export-drugs-to-us-market

This is not really a huge deal because Indian Pharma companies have been exporting to the US for years. Bangladeshi Pharma standards are not very much lower than Indian Pharma standards and this is not really a surprise.

By the way Myanmar is also a large market for Bangladeshi pharma products.

Saving lives is not a subject for arguments. Availability and accessibility of inexpensive Bangladeshi life-saving drugs in Myanmar is a boon and not a bad thing.

Well, since you made your point politely, I will respond in kind.

I absolutely agree that the availability of cheap generic dugs is a net positive for all parties concerned and passing the FDA's rigorous standards should be commended. I am skeptical about the 97% figure of domestic pharma needs being supplied domestically that was quoted and I suspect that that applies only to the drugs that are producwd domestically, but let's ignore that. What I don't agree with is the impliance that pharmaceuticals will become a significant export item for Bangladesh anytime soon. It is not only misguided forumers such as @UKBengali who are propagating this myth but also, it seems, senior figures in your country. According to this article:

http://m.bdnews24.com/en/detail/business/1093942

the value of BD pharma exports is ~70million total per annum
. That is an insignificant amount even compared to your own total exports. The article goes on further to state that access to the U.S. market can increase the value of pharma exports many times without explaining the mechanism to do so. The former 'Bangladesh Bank governor' weighs in by claiming exports to the U.S. alone can reach $10 billion. That is a ridiculous statement. The U.S. pharma import market was worth $60billion a couple of years ago. How can BD realistically compete against the incumbents in that industry by capturing a sixth of that market?

Only one example but it is representative of the many flights of fancy that seem to take off here. That is the sort of thing I take issue with. Any true achievement in your country is made redundant by the exaggerations and outright ridiculous statements made here and more importantly in your media. I would not be surprised if this is the result of government interference in journalistic affairs. A more rigorous and critical approach of analysis needs to be taken by forumers here and Bangladeshis as a whole it seems.

On your note about Myanmar, Myanmar at last estimates imported around ~$400m of pharmaceuticals. Even if all the drugs exported by BD comes to Myanmar, it can only account for ~15% maximal of the market and the true figure can only be a fraction of that. Bangladesh needs to go some way to dislodge the current leading pharma exporters of Thailand and China.

 

[Bilal9]

Well, since you made your point politely, I will respond in kind.

I absolutely agree that the availability of cheap generic dugs is a net positive for all parties concerned and passing the FDA's rigorous standards should be commended. I am skeptical about the 97% figure of domestic pharma needs being supplied domestically that was quoted and I suspect that that applies only to the drugs that are producwd domestically, but let's ignore that. What I don't agree with is the impliance that pharmaceuticals will become a significant export item for Bangladesh anytime soon. It is not only misguided forumers such as @UKBengali who are propagating this myth but also, it seems, senior figures in your country. According to this article:

http://m.bdnews24.com/en/detail/business/1093942

the value of BD pharma exports is ~70million total per annum
. That is an insignificant amount even compared to your own total exports. The article goes on further to state that access to the U.S. market can increase the value of pharma exports many times without explaining the mechanism to do so. The former 'Bangladesh Bank governor' weighs in by claiming exports to the U.S. alone can reach $10 billion. That is a ridiculous statement. The U.S. pharma import market was worth $60billion a couple of years ago. How can BD realistically compete against the incumbents in that industry by capturing a sixth of that market?

Only one example but it is representative of the many flights of fancy that seem to take off here. That is the sort of thing I take issue with. Any true achievement in your country is made redundant by the exaggerations and outright ridiculous statements made here and more importantly in your media. I would not be surprised if this is the result of government interference in journalistic affairs. A more rigorous and critical approach of analysis needs to be taken by forumers here and Bangladeshis as a whole it seems.

On your note about Myanmar, Myanmar at last estimates imported around ~$400m of pharmaceuticals. Even if all the drugs exported by BD comes to Myanmar, it can only account for ~15% maximal of the market and the true figure can only be a fraction of that. Bangladesh needs to go some way to dislodge the current leading pharma exporters of Thailand and China.

Points well taken and thanks for the detailed response....

As I don't have a lot of time for answering your raised topics point by point, let me just say that,

• You are right about pharmaceuticals not becoming a 'significant' export item for Bangladesh. $10 Billion of pharma exports just to US is way out of reach right now or even in five years. However we might see exports (to all markets) totaling close to a Billion within say the next five years - or even sooner.
• Forums are not place for serious discourse and people are casual about opinions. Should be taken with a grain of salt.
• Myanmar is a large pharma market for us and a close neighbor with a land port and sea-link with Yangon-Thilawa and Sittwe. There are sectors in which we can have a win-win relationship and this is one of them. Bangladeshi pharma products have been price competitive with Chinese and Thai products for many years in the Myanmar market. Quality-wise they are also very competitive. Our Myanmarese customers are welcome to visit our facilities anytime. So I don't see this sector go for anything but expansion in the future.

 

[alaungphaya]

Points well taken and thanks for the detailed response....

As I don't have a lot of time for answering your raised topics point by point, let me just say that,

• You are right about pharmaceuticals not becoming a 'significant' export item for Bangladesh. $10 Billion of pharma exports just to US is way out of reach right now or even in five years. However we might see exports (to all markets) totaling close to a Billion within say the next five years - or even sooner.
• Forums are not place for serious discourse and people are casual about opinions. Should be taken with a grain of salt.
• Myanmar is a large pharma market for us and a close neighbor with a land port and sea-link with Yangon-Thilawa and Sittwe. There are sectors in which we can have a win-win relationship and this is one of them. Bangladeshi pharma products have been price competitive with Chinese and Thai products for many years in the Myanmar market. Quality-wise they are also very competitive. Our Myanmarese customers are welcome to visit our facilities anytime. So I don't see this sector go for anything but expansion in the future.

What you are saying is a big ask. You say you will boost pharma exports from $70mil to $1bn? Exports will need to double every year for the next 5 years and considering it took 5 years for them to double in the first place, I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. But that is another example of the sort of uncritical and airy thinking that goes on and it is beyond these forums. I have noticed that overly optimistic reports tend to come out in a few newspapers that are often quoted around here and I can't help think they are being influenced by the incumbent government who absolutely need to convince the country that they are doing better than the islamists that ran it before.

On your point about Myanmar, we will see. There's stiff competition from China, Thailand, India and more recently Pakistan. Our own pharma industry is also starting to take off as it was only recently deregulated.

 

[Bilal9]

What you are saying is a big ask. You say you will boost pharma exports from $70mil to $1bn? Exports will need to double every year for the next 5 years and considering it took 5 years for them to double in the first place, I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. But that is another example of the sort of uncritical and airy thinking that goes on and it is beyond these forums. I have noticed that overly optimistic reports tend to come out in a few newspapers that are often quoted around here and I can't help think they are being influenced by the incumbent government who absolutely need to convince the country that they are doing better than the islamists that ran it before.

On your point about Myanmar, we will see. There's stiff competition from China, Thailand, India and more recently Pakistan. Our own pharma industry is also starting to take off as it was only recently deregulated.

You may be right about the export growth projections being a little optimistic, but when you start from zero and you have all the right chess pieces lined up, where else is there to go but up?

Just as an example, India's export on Pharma sector (which is already mature and exporting to every continent) averaged over 20% including formulations, APIs, Bulk drugs and neutraceuticals.

Bangladesh has not even started exporting API's (Active Pharma Ingredients), Bulk Drugs or Neutraceuticals of which the market is mostly local.

Also (and having I'd say a similar portfolio of products like India or China) Bangladesh hasn't even started exporting in earnest to most of Asia, Africa, Oceania (meaning Australia) or the US (barely started).

Cost-wise Bangladesh is heavily competitive with India or Pakistan. Indian pharma exports are still growing at 20+% every year (CAGR). The Pakistani pharma exports are currently $200 million but they are projecting exports of $5 Billion in the next ten years.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/92525-Pharma-exports-can-reach-5bln-within-10-years

That is what I was basing my growth numbers on. It may be airy prediction but it is not out of line with other pharma exporting countries.

In any case this is heavily off-topic and my sincere apologies. We should open a separate thread.

There is a Made in Bangladesh Thread as well.

https://defence.pk/threads/made-in-bangladesh.371875/

Here is a corporate movie from BEXIMCO pharma...

 

[sfahim]

Pls shed some light onto this matter...

Well,keep an eye At the victory day parade.It may be a surprise package as there are no official confirmation!!

 

[bluesky]

story?

Stupid monkey, do not you ever read history. Read more and do not talk like a stupid.

 

[colonel_de_beret]

@bluesky how many launcher vehicles included in one LY-80E battery. I am poor on this, plz don't laugh at me plzzz

 

[Michael Corleone]

@bluesky how many launcher vehicles included in one LY-80E battery. I am poor on this, plz don't laugh at me plzzz

4 vehicles with six missiles each.

 

[colonel_de_beret]

4 vehicles with six missiles each.

Thanks a lot

 

[kingQamaR]

Yes, we know you call us 'kala'. But, all of us are not that Kala. Even the Rohingyas I have seen in Tokyo are not all of them are Kala. Islam has taught us not to give importance to caste, creed and complexion. We have become a mixed group of people of Turks, Pathans, Mughals and local Hindus converted to Muslims. But, the Burmese do not intermingle or intermarry with other Burmese from Shan or Karen.

Sorry. I have met Bangladeshi people and they have absolutely show no Pashtun features or Turkish mix in them at all. Not so ever !


The ones I did meet is what I expected to see of a Bangladeshi look.

The reason , why these ugly Burmese skinny midgets mock you . Is that your lack of any government response to there killings of your compatriots across the border. Which brings out there racial prejudices opinions of you. Since the 70s these Burmese been doing atrocities sadly you had no answer then or now!