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We were not artists nor philosophers......We were warriors.
All Empires begins as Warrior State then later years transform into Civiilisation, I think Ottomans Sultan Soloman the Magnificient (The Conan) enjoyed that period

If iam not wrong SINAN is the name of his Intellectual Minister, who contributed much to Turk Civilsation and you have Picture of him in your Currency
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All Empires begins as Warrior State then later years transform into Civiilisation, I think Ottomans Sultan Soloman the Magnificient (The Conan) enjoyed that period

Hımm...mate, it is a different case with us.

When you look at ancient Greek, Egypt, Persian,Semite civilizations...they enjoyed a relatively easy life.

While they were building cities, writing poems, advancing on science... We were trying to survive in the harsh steppes of Central-Asia... constantly fighting against Chinese, Mongolians, Other Turkic Tribes.. we lived a nomadic life and couldn't settle..not because Turks were incapable but remaining stable in one place meant absolute death in that geography.

We have saying in Turkish "Ocağına darı ekmek" , in English "To plant panicum in house".... meaning "absolute destruction"

When Turks encountered an enemy settlement, they would kill all the humans, animals, plants...every living thing. Then they would reduce houses into pebble and mix them into soil. Then they would plant panicum on top of it and they would leave. So when someone arrived in the ex-setlement.. instead of a village they would see a field of panicum. And they would understand that settlement had met with the Turks wrath.

Fighting with the other Turkic tribes it was impossible for us to settle. So our ancestors spend centuries on horse backs...fighting, honing their military strategies, weaponary, warrior culture etc... At the mean time other nations were busy with founding civilization.

This was the difference between Turks and other ME nations.

If iam not wrong SINAN is the name of his Intellectual Minister, who contributed much to Turk Civilsation and you have Picture of him in your Currency

Yeap, "Mimar" Sinan, "Architect" Sinan was the head architect of the Suleiman . :)

Mimar Sinan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My real name is Sinan. It means "pointy end of an arrow or spear."
 
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@al-Hasani, I see you're active and I don't know how to PM on this forum, so I'll say this here: for the love of God stop getting banned.

You need to ask the biased moderators that question and not me.

Anyway I don't care about getting banned AT ALL. I am enjoying life in Cannes (vacation with relatives here) right now. I am on PDF to waste time and I have had a lot of time to waste this year.

@rmi5

Trust me the 450 million or so Arabs would not care about small Palestine or Palestinians at all had it not been for Al-Aqsa and civilians dying once in a while in relatively large numbers (still nothing compared to what happens elsewhere in the Arab world right now or has happened during past or present wars and conflicts). The Palestinian ungratefulness is well-known by now. Just ask Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Jordanians, Lebanese and the list is pretty long.

They try to make this sound like an Arab-Israeli/Jewish conflict while in reality Jews have never hurt 99% of all Arabs or vice versa. But Muslims of today seem to be obsessed by Jews. I don't recall this being the case just 80 years ago.
 
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Hımm...mate, it is a different case with us.
When you look at ancient Greek, Egypt, Persian,Semite civilizations...they enjoyed a relatively easy life.
While they were building cities, writing poems, advancing on science... We were trying to survive in the harsh steppes of Central-Asia... constantly fighting against Chinese, Mongolians, Other Turkic Tribes.. we lived a nomadic life and couldn't settle..not because Turks were incapable but remaining stable in one place meant absolute death in that geography.
We have saying in Turkish "Ocağına darı ekmek" , in English "To plant panicum in house".... meaning "absolute destruction"
When Turks encountered an enemy settlement, they would kill all the humans, animals, plants...every living thing. Then they would reduce houses into pebble and mix them into soil. Then they would plant panicum on top of it and they would leave. So when someone arrived in the ex-setlement.. instead of a village they would see a field of panicum. And they would understand that settlement had met with the Turks wrath.
Fighting with the other Turkic tribes it was impossible for us to settle. So our ancestors spend centuries on horse backs...fighting, honing their military strategies, weaponary, warrior culture etc... At the mean time other civilizations were busy with founding civilization.
This was the difference between Turks and other ME nations.
No doubt on your Greatness, you are surrounded with enemy states in major part of your timeline, But life in Cities are different as compared to War-Zone Area (where war was taking place), France,England,Russia,Germany,Italy each evolved different Civilisation even-though they were at WAR with each other, And the Chunk of timeline you're referring to me when your Turk tribe devastated enemy cities was the time when you were called NOMAD WARRIORS (before 1400 AD)
Lots of your turk members have running threads on PDF about your Impact in History, Food, Living & Civilisation, AND after 1450 or 1500 AD, Do you have any refernce of Punishing defiant Cities raze to the ground ?? & killing all of there inhabitants??

Yeap, "Mimar" Sinan, "Architect" Sinan was the head architect of the Suleiman .
Mimar Sinan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My real name is Sinan. It means "pointy end of an arrow or spear."
hmmm, So you possess very reverent name :-), my real name is ADNAN, unfortunately my name have no Hallmark in history :( But it also means ONUS is now up to me to do something extraordinary :enjoy:
 
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hmmm, So you possess very reverent name , my real name is ADNAN, unfortunately my name have no Hallmark in history But it also means ONUS is now up to me to do something extraordinary
:D

We use Adnan name as well. :)

No doubt on your Greatness, you are surrounded with enemy states in major part of your timeline, But life in Cities are different as compared to War-Zone Area (where war was taking place), France,England,Russia,Germany,Italy each evolved different Civilisation even-though they were at WAR with each other, And the Chunk of timeline you're referring to me when your Turk tribe devastated enemy cities was the time when you were called NOMAD WARRIORS (before 1400 AD)
Lots of your turk members have running threads on PDF about your Impact in History, Food, Living & Civilisation, AND after 1450 or 1500 AD, Do you have any refernce of Punishing defiant Cities raze to the ground ?? & killing all of there inhabitants??

Hmm... those things were made when we were still in Central-Asia... my father told me these things. I will ask him. :agree:

Edit: But i know... Turks erased Juan-Juan nation from the face of earth.
 
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Hasani what is your real name?


Sorry I forgot..

:D

We use Adnan name as well. :)



Hmm... those things were made when we were still in Central-Asia... my father told me these things. I will ask him. :agree:

Edit: But i know... Turks erased Juan-Juan nation from the face of earth.

Hey Sini what does Oglu etc mean? I've seen Turkish names like that? Also levant?

Hımm...mate, it is a different case with us.

When you look at ancient Greek, Egypt, Persian,Semite civilizations...they enjoyed a relatively easy life.

While they were building cities, writing poems, advancing on science... We were trying to survive in the harsh steppes of Central-Asia... constantly fighting against Chinese, Mongolians, Other Turkic Tribes.. we lived a nomadic life and couldn't settle..not because Turks were incapable but remaining stable in one place meant absolute death in that geography.

We have saying in Turkish "Ocağına darı ekmek" , in English "To plant panicum in house".... meaning "absolute destruction"

When Turks encountered an enemy settlement, they would kill all the humans, animals, plants...every living thing. Then they would reduce houses into pebble and mix them into soil. Then they would plant panicum on top of it and they would leave. So when someone arrived in the ex-setlement.. instead of a village they would see a field of panicum. And they would understand that settlement had met with the Turks wrath.

Fighting with the other Turkic tribes it was impossible for us to settle. So our ancestors spend centuries on horse backs...fighting, honing their military strategies, weaponary, warrior culture etc... At the mean time other civilizations were busy with founding civilization.

This was the difference between Turks and other ME nations.



Yeap, "Mimar" Sinan, "Architect" Sinan was the head architect of the Suleiman . :)

Mimar Sinan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My real name is Sinan. It means "pointy end of an arrow or spear."


Mimar in Urdu means tht aswell..
 
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Adnan is a nice name. I have a relative named that.
Thanks for the detailed reference, esp that paragraph

In other poems such as the ones composed by the Pre-Islamic poet "Qumma'a Ibn Ilias", it appears that Arabs considered it as a "Honor" to be a descendant of Adnan, and for some reason they appear to have been proud of it
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Adnan died after Nebuchadnezzar II returned to Babylon ........
So on that account...it means that name is 2600 Years Old to match Nebuchadnezzar 2 era.....:-)
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Meaning of Adnan is "Two Heavens" ??? But u said something else
The etymological meaning of the name is settler, from a semitic root`dn; "to stay, abide".
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Thanks for the detailed reference, esp that paragraph

In other poems such as the ones composed by the Pre-Islamic poet "Qumma'a Ibn Ilias", it appears that Arabs considered it as a "Honor" to be a descendant of Adnan, and for some reason they appear to have been proud of it
&
Adnan died after Nebuchadnezzar II returned to Babylon ........
So on that account...it means that name is 2600 Years Old to match Nebuchadnezzar 2 era.....:-)
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Meaning of Adnan is "Two Heavens" ??? But u said something else
The etymological meaning of the name is settler, from a semitic root`dn; "to stay, abide".
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I am not an expert by any means when it comes to names but be sure of the fact that Adnan is a very old name and that the name is influential. It predates Islam by almost 2 millenniums. The historical Adnan traced his ancestry to Ishmael (ra) who was the first son of Prophet Ibrahim (as). I think that there is also mythology involved.

I think settler is the right translation.

Origin

According to tradition, Adnan is the father of a group of the Ishmaelite Arabs who inhabited West and Northern Arabia. Adnan is believed by Arab genealogies to be the father of many Ishmaelite tribes along the Western coast of Arabia, Northern Arabia and Iraq.[2][3][4][5]

Many family trees have been presented for Adnan, which did not agree about the number of ancestors between Ishmael and Adnan but agreed perfectly about the names and number of the ancestors between Adnan and the Prophet Muhammad.[6][7]

The overwhelming majority of traditions and Muslim scholars state that Adnan is a descendant of Kedar the son of Ishmael,[8][9][10][11][12] except for Ibn Ishaq who claimed that Adnan was a descendant of Nebaioth,[13] this confusion of Ibn Ishaq can be due to the case of one of the descendants of Kedar was named "Nebaioth".[14]

Most of Muslim scholars refused any attempt to recite the ancestors between Adnan to Ishmael, and condemned some other scholars such as Ibn Ishaq for doing it.[15][16][17][18][2]

In Pre-Islamic Arabia

Adnan was mentioned in various Pre-Islamic poems, such as the Pre-Islamic poets: "Lubayb Ibn Rabi'a" and "Abbas Ibn Mirdas".[19]

Adnan was viewed by Pre-Islamic Arabs as an honorable father among the fathers of Arab tribes, and they used this ancestry to boast against other Qahtani tribes who were a minority among the Adnanites.[20] :-)lol:)

Somehow I have noticed that Adnan is especially popular in the Balkans for some strange reason.:crazy:

It seems that every third Bosnian/Albanian etc. is named Adnan for instance, LOL.

I think that it has something to do with the historical migrations around the ME or what is now the Arab world in the ME. (Levant, Iraq, Egypt & the Arabian Peninsula). Adnan and his family seems to have been migrants often too if we believe the sources.

@Sinan

I just ate at a Turkish restaurant here in Cannes called "Bosphore Kebab". It does not look impressive from the outside but the food was excellent (I ordered an Adana kebab) and the chefs were Turks from Adana who have lived in France for over 10 years now. I was surprised to learn the relatively large number of Turks in France. Normally the majority of the migrants in France are either people from Europe or the Arab world and former French colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa. Arabs are now the second biggest ethnic group after the French and hence some complains. A bit like among Germans about Turks in Germany. Not sure what they are complaining about as there is little difference between people now if anything.

Arabs in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turks in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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