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@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

You asked about "Which persian influence on Arab" LoL ,so i posted sources about huge persian influence on those first real arab empires ( we wasnt talking about Semitic kingdoms like Sumerians,Babylon)

its well documented by Arabs themselves man...

yes those pre-iranian Civilisations/kingdoms of Iraq were advanced too, i never even saw a iranian badmouthing Sumerian/babylonian culture.

Yes Iran also got influenced by early advanced Mesopotamian civs, you seem to forget Iran and Iraq are neighbors, ofcourse they get influenced by eachother.

Just like Greek culture influenced Roman culture and so on.

still Babylon fell to Cyrus the great and for the next 1,000-1,200 years Iraq was heavily under "Iranian culture".

Denying Iranian history of Iraq or on Arabs in general is like if a mediterranean (lets say a Spaniard or Greek) would deny their Roman history.


also you cant deny Persian influence on Islam,many islamic traditions originate from Zoroastrianism.

islamic scholars are aware of this. (like this none iranian guy)

https://prezi.com/3mmpcs0q-wng/influences-between-zoroastrianism-islam/
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its actually mostly arab scholars that publish many scientifical publications of Persian influence on Islam and Arabs.

Just look even modern day, Iraq is heavily influenced by Iranians, so are many other Arab countries (Yemen,Lebanon,Syria and others)

Those Iraqis even protest in streets and say "our government is a puppet of Iran"

so denying all the historic influence of Iranians on our Middle Eastern Region is delusional and most arabs are aware of this, thats why those arab scholars publish all those publications of "Persian influence" on their own culture.
 
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There is no embbarrassment in struggle but how would you know? You are only embarrassing yourself :)

I am proud that Azerbaijan doesn't give up on struggle, Azerbaijan raises flag in liberated area after 24 years

The funny thing here is that you are most likely of partial Armenian ancestry yourself.

Good for you. There are probably 1 billion Palestinian flags in Palestine and even in Israel proper were 20-25% of the population are "Israeli Arabs" and 2/3 of all the Israeli Jews are Arab Jews.
 
The funny thing here is that you are most likely of partial Armenian ancestry yourself.

Good for you. There are probably 1 billion Palestinian flags in Palestine and even in Israel proper were 20-25% of the population are "Israeli Arabs" and 2/3 of all the Israeli Jews are Arab Jews.
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You asked about "Which persian influence on Arab" LoL ,so i posted sources about huge persian influence on those first real arab empires ( we wasnt talking about Semitic kingdoms like Sumerians,Babylon)

its well documented by Arabs themselves man...

yes those pre-iranian Civilisations/kingdoms of Iraq were advanced too, i never even saw a iranian badmouthing Sumerian/babylonian culture.

Yes Iran also got influenced by early advanced Mesopotamian civs, you seem to forget Iran and Iraq are neighbors, ofcourse they get influenced by eachother.

Just like Greek culture influenced Roman culture and so on.

still Babylon fell to Cyrus the great and for the next 1,000-1,200 years Iraq was heavily under "Iranian culture".

Denying Iranian history of Iraq or on Arabs in general is like if a mediterranean (lets say a Spaniard or Greek) would deny their Roman history.


also you cant deny Persian influence on Islam,many islamic traditions originate from Zoroastrianism.

islamic scholars are aware of this. (like this none iranian guy)

https://prezi.com/3mmpcs0q-wng/influences-between-zoroastrianism-islam/
q6ihd25p3pjwhcrr2fo7eyw7mx6jc3sachvcdoaizecfr3dnitcq_3_0.png


its actually mostly arab scholars that publish many scientifical publications of Persian influence on Islam and Arabs.

Just look even modern day, Iraq is heavily influenced by Iranians.

Those Iraqis even protest in streets and say "our government is a puppet of Iran"

Thank you for recognizing that most of Pre-Islamic Iranian civilization is actually Semitic civilization. Every Iranian professor would tell you that and I can even find sources from your Iranica Encyclopedia.

As for the Islamic era, we should not discuss what way the influence went either. It was from the Arabs/Semites again like throughout history.

As for mutual influences, I don't deny that there are some minor influences, even Afro-Arabs had some influence on our modern music, but it is not comparable to our influence on you.

You forget once again, that Zorostranism was heavily influenced by our pagan Semitic pre-Abrahamic (themselves Semitic) religions. The whole worship of fire etc. is an ancient Semitic practice. Not only Semitic people, even Native Indians in the Americas used to worship and jump over fire.

In fact Islam, like all the Abrahamic religions, have 1 billion things more in common with our pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_religions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic_religion


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Similarly if you study Zoroastrianism you will realize the similarities with older ancient pre-Abrahamic Semitic religions. I wonder where those similarities came from and why? So it seems there was/is a circle of influence.

But most Iranians are ignorant about their own pre-Islamic past. All those wannabe "Aryan" Iranians in the West who keep hating on Arabs and Islam 24/7, would get a heart attack if they knew their own history.
 
@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

Iraqis,Syrians and other Levantine Arabs have heavy Persian admixture in their DNA.

(Specially iraqis).

just google DNA results of Iraqis.

Iraqi arabs who share their DNA results have up to 25-40% Persian DNA


and those large communities of Iraq that are none arab (such as kurds) have even up to 80% DNA originating from Iran.






while Iranians themselves on those DNA test have almost 0% arab dna, just google "my iranian DNA results"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ira...XBZ1AKHXpmBDkQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1920&bih=969

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most Iranians score 95-98% Persian or Iranic (Aryan DNA)

arab is below 1% or even 0%.


just look all those DNA tests,

you wont find any modern Iranian who doesnt score atleast 92-95% Iranic (Aryan)

just like this girl
irani.jpg


those DNA is based on ancient Iranian samples taken from Persians,Parthians and other Iranic people.


= Arabs specially levantine Arabs score high in Persian admixture in modern DNA tests.

while Iranians score almost 0% in arab dna,

so its clear who influenced who more. most likely even you got some persian admixture lmao.
 
Iraqis,Syrians and other Levantine Arabs have heavy Persian admixture in their DNA.

(Specially iraqis).

just google DNA results of Iraqis.

Iraqi arabs who share their DNA results have up to 25-40% Persian DNA
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and those large communities of Iraq that are none arab (such as kurds) have even up to 80% DNA originating from Iran.






while Iranians themselves on those DNA test have almost 0% arab dna, just google "my iranian DNA results"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ira...XBZ1AKHXpmBDkQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1920&bih=969

4iedgfW.jpg


most Iranians score 95-98% Persian or Iranic (Aryan DNA)

arab is below 1% or even 0%.


just look all those DNA tests,

you wont find any modern Iranian who doesnt score atleast 92-95% Iranic (Aryan)

just like this girl
irani.jpg


those DNA is based on ancient Iranian samples taken from Persians,Parthians and other Iranic people.


= Arabs specially levantine Arabs score high in Persian admixture in modern DNA tests.

while Iranians score almost 0% in arab dna,

so its clear who influenced who more. most likely even you got somer persian admixture lmao.

:lol:

You do realize that Iranians have heavy Arab/Semitic admixture themselves? The only reason why some Arabs cluster with Iranians is because Iranians themselves have tons of Semitic/Arab admixture. Even the majority of the haplogroups present in Iran originate from the Arab world.:lol:


Ever wondered why Arabs and Iranians themselves do not cluster with supposedly Iranic Tajiks in Tajikistan? Or "Iranic peoples" of Pakistan?

And no, Iraqis do not cluster with Iranians, other than Kurds who are recent migrants from Northwestern Iran themselves although many have local Arab/Semitic ancestry as well due to intermariages.

Western Asian = Arab. Vast majority of the population of Western Asia is Arab.



National Geographic: Iranian natives’ genetic makeup is 56 percent Arabian!






http://realiran.org/national-geographic-iranian-natives-genetic-makeup-is-56-percent-arabian/

Sure, nobody, expect for most Iranians in the real world.


We are talking about haplogroups that originate in the Arab world and somehow the Middle East/West Asia is not Arab/Semitic homelands (since always unlike the supposed origin of steppe Aryans and Turkic peoples) but somehow turned into "Iranian".

But who am I kidding, you believe that you are a descendent of steppe/desert Iranic nomads from Central Asia when in the real world Iranians are native to the Iranian Plateau and cluster genetically with the natives of the region (Arabs, Semites, Caucasus people etc.).

No Arabs have any Iranian admixture other than a minority of Iraqis (Kurds) and a small minority in GCC. The Iranian admixture itself is closely related to Arab/Semitic/Middle Eastern/West Asian (call it want you want) to begin with. Geography plays a role as well. Rest of the Arab world has no ties at all let alone genetic.

As for Saudi Arabian DNA, we are proudly almost 100% Middle Eastern/Western Asian.



I am yet to see a single Iranian score 100% West Asian/Middle Eastern DNA in comparison. You guys have much more South Asian and Central Asian admixture. You are more Turkic than Anatolians/Turks as well.
 
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haha you bullshitter , that "National geographic" result is fake bullshit made by a Arab in that "DNA forum", debunked many years ago

this the real "national geographic" results of Iranians.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

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but its bullshit too.


Because MODERN DNA TESTS who take their "Iranian" DNA SAMPLES from ancient Iranian populations

(Persian DNA and Iran_N (neolithic) )

score Iranians mostly pure Iranian. (94-98% ancient Iran DNA samples)

iranian-dna-results.jpg



While Arabs (specially levantine arabs) have heavy Iran_N and ancient Persian admixture. LMAO !

just research abit Iran_N and ancient Persian DNA samples, you will see modern DNA tests all show exactly what i say.
 
haha you bullshitter , that "National geographic" result is fake bullshit made by a Arab in that "DNA forum", debunked many years ago

this the real "national geographic" results of Iranians.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

populations_Iranian_575.png




but its bullshit too.


Because MODERN DNA TESTS who take their "Iranian" DNA SAMPLES from ancient Iranian populations

(Persian DNA and Iran_N (neolithic) )

score Iranians mostly pure Iranian.

iranian-dna-results.jpg



While Arabs (specially levantine arabs) have heavy Iran_N and ancient Persian admixture. LMAO !

just research abit Iran_N and ancient Persian DNA samples, you will see modern DNA tests all show exactly what i say.

Sure of course. There is nothing called "Iranian admixture". You guys are mostly of native Middle Eastern stock with heavy Semitic/Arab admixture since millennia. That is why you cluster with Arabs and NOT Iranic populations in Tajikistan, Central Asia etc. Can you explain why that is? I thought that you were imaginary "Aryans"?

And did you ever look at a map where Southwest Asia is located if not the Arab Near East? That 42% that you posted to somehow invent an alternative reality where Iranians do not have tons of Arab/Semitic admixture.

Do you even know where your main haplgroups descend from? The freaking Arab world, Arabia in particular.

The first people who stepped foot on the Iranian plateau were Arabians as well.:lol:



That is why Arabia was inhabited by people 100.000 years PRIOR to people inhabiting the Iranian Plateau.

As for Iraqi DNA, here is a list of 100's if not 1000 of tested Iraqis. 90% of them cluster with fellow Arabs and are natives of the soil.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/iraq/about/background

Try again.
 
man you are so delusional LOL you also make up most of your stuff,

you dont even know what Arab means,

5,000 bc -10.000 bc Middle East wasnt even Arab or "Semitic", it was a mixture of Anatolian Farmers,Iranian Farmers, Nafrati farmers.

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it seems you have no idea about the Genetic history of the Middle east.


Arabs was a small tribe in Yemen who conquered your land of S.Arabia (much much later)

you are an "Arabized" Semit.



THOSE MODERN DNA TESTS are based on the PRE-ARAB population of Middle East.

Modern Semits score MUCH MUCH higher in Iran_N and Anatolia_N then they do even Semitic.

specially Levantine Arabs.

RESEARCH " Pre Semitic DNA of middle East".

most "Semits" are even just Semitized Iran_N Anatolia_N farmers.

Semitic = mostly a cultural not a "Race"
 
man you are so delusional LOL you also make up most of your stuff,

you dont even know what Arab means,

ancient Middle East wasnt even Arab, it was a mixture of Anatolian Farmers,Iranian Farmers, Nafrati farmers.

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it seems you have no idea about the Genetic history of the Middle east.


Arabs was a small tribe in Yemen who conquered your land of S.Arabia (much much later)

you are an "Arabized" Semit.



THOSE MODERN DNA TESTS are based on the PRE-ARAB population of Middle East.

Modern Semits score MUCH MUCH higher in Iran_N and Anatolia_N then they do even Semitic.

specially Levantine Arabs.

RESEARCH " Pre Semitic DNA of middle East".

most "Semits" are even just Semitized Iran_N Anatolia_N farmers.

There is no such thing as "Iranian and Anatolian farmer".:lol:

The fist Neolithic farmers were NATIVE to the Arab world. They were our ancestors.

This is also why all the main haplogroups are native to the Arab world/originate in our lands.

The main haplgroup J (main haplgorup of the entire Middle East, Caucasus and Southern Europe) has the highest percentages in the Arab world for a reason.



The same lands that were inhabited by people 100.000 years prior to yours.

"Anatolian/Iranian farmers" were nothing more than a bunch of Neolithic migrants from the Arab world (Arab Near East) who spread farming there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

The first neolithic culture emerged in Southern Levant/Northern Arabia. This is where the first Neolithic people originated and where the first recorded evidence of farming emerged.

For instance mummies/skeletons from the Natufian civilization (the people who funded the first settlements in the world and introduced agriculture) native to Southern Sham (Levant) where found to cluster the most with modern-day Arabs in particular Saudi Arabians (who clustered the most).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

"The Epipaleolithic Natufian culture /nəˈtuːfiən/[1] existed from around 12,500 to 9,500 BC in the Levant, a region in the Eastern Mediterranean. It was unusual in that it supported a sedentary or semi-sedentary population even before the introduction of agriculture. The Natufian communities may be the ancestors of the builders of the first Neolithic settlements of the region, which may have been the earliest in the world. Natufians founded Jericho which may be the oldest city in the world. Some evidence suggests deliberate cultivation of cereals, specifically rye, by the Natufian culture, at Tell Abu Hureyra, the site of earliest evidence of agriculture in the world.[2] Generally, though, Natufians exploited wild cereals. Animals hunted included gazelles.[3] According to Christy G. Turner II, there is archaeological and physical anthropological evidence for a relationship between the modern Semitic-speaking populations of the Levant and the Natufians.[4]

Dorothy Garrod coined the term Natufian based on her excavations at Shuqba cave in Wadi an-Natuf, in the western Judean Mountains."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

Here are the DNA results from last 2016

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

Complete and utter nonsense. Arabs are a Northern Semitic people who were first recorded in the border lands of Northern Arabia, Mesopotamia and Sham 3000 years ago. Yemen was not even majority Arabic speaking prior to Islam. So that shows your knowledge that you are believing in oral myths that DNA, history and everything else has long ago debunked. It is no different from the myth of Iranians originating from the steppes of Central Asia. In any case we are talking about Semitic people so not much of a difference.







Haplogroup J1 and Haplogroup J2 descend from Haplogroups which are native to the Arab world. The Haplogroup J descends from haplogroup IJ that is native to the Arab world as well.

As is the haplogroup E. The only other theory is Horn of Africa but obviously since the first humans originated in Africa, many of the descendants of those haplogroups, are African in origin as virtually every haplogroup is far way way.



For example people of the Arab world are mainly J (J1, J2) and E with minority of R (R1b and R1a) with large minorities of J and E in every Arab country, including R1 as well.

Maternal DNA is the same as well.

But this is not very strange as Arabs are natives of the land and mostly of the same Semitic/Afro-Asiatic speaking stock. Racial as well.
 
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your post even agrees my points further LMAO !

just talk to all modern genealogists .

"Neolithic" or pre "High civilisation" southern middle east,western middle east. ( the "Arab" nations of today )

is a mixture of Iran_N , Anatolia_N and Natufian.

THe Natufians themselves are also close related to Iran_N and Anatolia_N.

"Semitic" is a culture that was created by those mixed Natufians-Iran_N-Anatolia_N people who lived there

not race , same goes to ARABS !

Also that Arabs was a small tribe from Yemen originally is not "Oral history"

its proven facts, agreed by modern arab genealogists


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Arabia

"Did Arabs originate from Yemen?
The Arab genealogies agree the original pure Arabs, "Al-Arab al-Ariba" (العرب العاربة), came from Yemen and were descended from Ya'rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan, a descendant of hud and were Qahtanite Arabs."


the only people who are pure Arabs are those in those regions of Yemen who are ironically today under Houthi rule.

The Yemenis are the "Boss" of all modern Arabs, because it was a small tribe from Yemen which conquered saudi arabia and "ARabized" most of Semits.

so its no wonder that the Arab coalition could not beat the Houthis (the original Arabs)
 
your post even agrees my points further LMAO !

just talk to all modern genealogists .

"Neolithic" or pre "High civilisation" middle east

is a mixture of Iran_N , Anatolia_N and Natufian.

THe Natufians themselves are also close related to Iran_N and Anatolia_N.

"Semitic" is a culture that was created by those mixed Natufians-Iran_N-Anatolia_N people who lived there

not race , same goes to ARABS !

Also that Arabs was a small tribe from Yemen originally is not "Oral history"

its proven facts, agreed by modern arab genealogists


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Arabia

"Did Arabs originate from Yemen?
The Arab genealogies agree the original pure Arabs, "Al-Arab al-Ariba" (العرب العاربة), came from Yemen and were descended from Ya'rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan, a descendant of hud and were Qahtanite Arabs."


the only people who are pure Arabs are those in those regions of Yemen who are ironically today under Houthi rule.

The Yemenis are the "Boss" of all modern Arabs, because it was a small tribe from Yemen which conquered saudi arabia and "ARabized" most of Semits.

so its no wonder that the Arab coalition could not beat the Houthis (the original Arabs)

Dude, indeed, all the main haplogroups of the Arab world, entire Middle East, Caucasus and Southern Europe originate in the Arab world. As does the first Neolithic farmers who are most closely related to modern day Arabs whose lands they originated from as I proved already by posting genetic evidence. Shocking, I know.


It is actually our ancestors who populated Iran and Anatolia, not the other way around. As I already proved. I don't care what some people call them. Anatolian, Iranian, Semitic, Arab, West Asian, Middle Eastern, Caucasian etc.


Once again, the first people who inhabited the entire Middle East, Europe etc. were originally from Arabia/Arab world. Long before even Neolithic people emerged which every human migration pattern confirms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42817323

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/11/ancient-tools-point-early-human-migration-arabia

https://www.shh.mpg.de/1101697/hominin-migrations-into-green-arabia

You are at it again embarrassing yourself.

There is no such thing as "original" Arabs. Arabs were just one Semitic speaking group native to the Arab world (Arab Near East). They were/are a Central/Northern Semitic speaking group. Who were first recorded in the borderlands of Northern Arabia, Sham and Mesopotamia. A region with no geographical barriers.

The Qathani/Adnani split has long ago been debunked. It is not even worth discussing. Majority of Yemen prior to Islam did not speak Arabic but other closely related languages. This is a well-established fact.

Actually that is Hijazis.

Anyway what importance does it has where Arabs were first mentioned or some ancient fables? We Arabs are all natives of the land, all Semites, all Middle Easterners/West Asians/Northern Africans, we share the same haplogroups, are genetically connected, culturally, linguistically, geographically, historically, civilization wise, customs, religions etc.

Ancient history this far back (3000 + years) is shrouded in mystery. What matters in this context is that the Semitic urheimat (homeland) is the Arab Near East, Arabia being the most likely candidate which is where ancient Semitic peoples such as Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians and many others originated from and wrote about themselves. As did the Sumerians (Dilmun) who might not have been Semitic speaking peoples but once again native to the region and sons of the soil.

Anyway it is hard to have serious discussions with a person who believes that Iranians are "Aryans" and descendants of Central Asian steppe/desert nomads, when DNA, history and everything else proves that this is not the case aside from the small ruling elite that imposed Iranic languages on the natives.

This is no different to Arabs believing that they are all from Yemen (lol) and that they have no other Semitic admixture from ancestors who were natives of the soil. It is absurd.
 

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