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Alcohol is Arabic

In its simplest form, you can make it. How can it make you sick? We add yeast & sugar to speed up the natural process, but even without those, that's how we get alcohol.

I know the thread was originally about distillate wine, but notice how fast the thread is shifting away from that, and going towards trying to claim which DNA first discovered getting drunk.
Well, for one you have to sterilize the tools that you use which means you can't just pick out any old container from the kitchen or something. And I believe the yeast is added for higher alcohol percentage and not just to speed up the process, same for sugar.

As you pointed out, it's about the distillation of wines. That's the important achievement linked to Jabir ibn hayyan and it had a very big impact on how alcohol was made and stored all over the world.
 
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Al Kohl

Sounds like a Jew to me..... :lol:
 
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Arabs in general, Muslim included, are much more lenient towards alcohol than drugs with the exclusion of Yemen and Morocco as I mentioned.

After Islam, I would say intoxication from various herbs was tolerated more than alcohol. There are many muslim scholars, who for example, would not consider hashish haram, but no muslim scholar can say that alcohol is not haram.

e.g hadith (maybe the word hashishah means something else, I'm not a scholar)

Hadith - Book of General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Come with us to the house of Aisha. So we went and he said: Give us food, Aisha. She brought hashishah and we ate..."
 
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@Ahmed Jo

Can you think of any indigenous drugs in the Arab world other than khat?

Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cannabis (Hashish) is from South Asia/Central Asia.

Opium maybe?

"The first known cultivation of opium poppies was in Mesopotamia, approximately 3400 BCE, by Sumerians, who called the plant hul gil, the "joy plant".[15][16] Tablets found at Nippur, a Sumerian spiritual center south of Baghdad, described the collection of poppy juice in the morning and its use in production of opium.[11] Cultivation continued in the Middle East by the Assyrians, who also collected poppy juice in the morning after scoring the pods with an iron scoop; they called the juice aratpa-pal, possibly the root of Papaver. Opium production continued under the Babylonians and Egyptians."

Opium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Making home-made wine of low quality is a pretty easy process. Fermentation too for that matter.

I know that a lot of village folks in Arabia long ago (actually some did this not that many generations ago) used alcohol as medicine for various diseases before mass-produced medicine became the norm.

Other than various herbs etc. which is still used.
 
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Well, for one you have to sterilize the tools that you use which means you can't just pick out any old container from the kitchen or something. And I believe the yeast is added for higher alcohol percentage and not just to speed up the process, same for sugar.

You sterilize the containers to make sure bad bacteria doesn't go in and stops the fermentation process. In its most basic, non-scientific way of me talking, its just the "good" bacteria eating the sugar in the fruits and shitting out alcohol. If its not sterile, its possible that "bad" bacteria will get in and spoil everyone's party. However, this does not mean that it will happen if you don't clean the pots and pans. It's just possible that it MIGHT happen meaning that I'm sure in many ancient villages, they probably didn't go around cleaning their pots and pants before dumping some wines in. Do you remember all those old paintings of women squishing grapes using their feet? How sterile do you think that was?

Anyway, regarding yeast & sugar. Special wine yeast can help to get you higher alcohol percentage, but it's not just for higher content, because bread yeast that you by in the grocery doesn't give you very high alcohol percentage, but it helps to kickstart the natural fermentation process. The bacteria dudes in the yeast love eating sugar and shitting out alcohol.

Sugar is added to make sure that the yeast dudes have something to eat. Fruits, like grapes, already have a high concentration of sugar, but you can still add it, but doesn't mean if you add tons of sugar, there will be 90% alcohol from grapes.

As you pointed out, it's about the distillation of wines. That's the important achievement linked to Jabir ibn hayyan and it had a very big impact on how alcohol was made and stored all over the world.

I know, and I agree, but I was just pointing out that the thread was moving towards 10,000 BC.
 
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@Ahmed Jo

Can you think of any indigenous drugs in the Arab world other than khat?

Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cannabis (Hashish) is from South Asia/Central Asia.

Opium maybe?

"The first known cultivation of opium poppies was in Mesopotamia, approximately 3400 BCE, by Sumerians, who called the plant hul gil, the "joy plant".[15][16] Tablets found at Nippur, a Sumerian spiritual center south of Baghdad, described the collection of poppy juice in the morning and its use in production of opium.[11] Cultivation continued in the Middle East by the Assyrians, who also collected poppy juice in the morning after scoring the pods with an iron scoop; they called the juice aratpa-pal, possibly the root of Papaver. Opium production continued under the Babylonians and Egyptians."

Opium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Making home-made wine of low quality is a pretty easy process. Fermentation too for that matter.

I know that a lot of village folks in Arabia long ago (actually some did this not that many generations ago) used alcohol as medicine for various diseases before mass-produced medicine became the norm.

Other than various herbs etc. which is still used.
I can't actually.. Opium was popular with Arabs in certain time periods though.

By the way, home-made wine can be of very high quality if one has the right knowledge and tools.

The bacteria dudes in the yeast love eating sugar and shitting out alcohol.
What an eloquent thing to say :lol:

But yeah, you basically described the process of it accurately.
 
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After Islam, I would say intoxication from various herbs was tolerated more than alcohol. There are many muslim scholars, who for example, would not consider hashish haram, but no muslim scholar can say that alcohol is not haram.

e.g hadith (maybe the word hashishah means something else, I'm not a scholar)

Hadith - Book of General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Come with us to the house of Aisha. So we went and he said: Give us food, Aisha. She brought hashishah and we ate..."

It probably depended on the region of the Muslim world and the local practices. As I wrote, you seem to agree, Muslims of that time were more lenient towards drug use (cannabis, opium and khat especially) rather than alcohol although alcohol was consumed occasionally by the upper classes. You have accurate descriptions of that by envoys from abroad (China, Europe etc.) and from art of the time.

Certain alcoholic beverages are also consumed to this day in various parts of the Arab world even by Muslims although mostly Arab Christians or Atheists do that obviously.

I have never seen that hadith before and neither am I a scholar so don't know what to say other than what I know already and that's that "khamr" (intoxicants like alcohol an drugs etc.) are forbidden otter than for medical purposes as they are harmful for your body and soul, thus they have been discouraged.

Regarding your hadith:

Narrated Tikhfat al-Ghifari:


Ya'ish ibn Tikhfat al-Ghifari said: My father was one of the people in the Suffah.

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Come with us to the house of Aisha. So we went and he said: Give us food, Aisha. She brought hashishah and we ate. He then said: Give us food, Aisha. She then brought haysah as small in quantity as a pigeon and we ate. He then said: Give us something to drink, Aisha. So she brought a bowl of milk, and we drank. Again he said: Give us something to drink, Aisha. She then brought a small cup and we drank. He then said: If you wish, you may spend the night (here), or if you wish, you may go to the mosque.

He said: While I was lying on my stomach because of pain in the lung, a man began to shake me with his foot and then said: This is a method of lying which Allah hates. I looked and saw that he was the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ).

Hadith - Book of General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

I can't actually.. Opium was popular with Arabs in certain time periods though.

By the way, home-made wine can be of very high quality if one has the right knowledge and tools.


What an eloquent thing to say :lol:

But yeah, you basically described the process of it accurately.

Of course it can but I am just saying that most people can do it easily with the right tools at hand. It's a rather simple process.

Of course high quality wines etc. is a totally different story here.

Regarding drugs, I don't recall how many times I have been approached by petty Moroccan drug dealers (you know the street kid) asking whether I would be interested to buy some cannabis in Paris and Europe in general. They are a menace and something should be done to stop their polluting of society.

Yemen is pretty much ruined due to the idiotic qat consumption. I got it, it's a pretty harmless leaf overall (compared to pretty much all intoxicants even in relatively big quantities) and a cultural/social practice several millenniums old but come on. Almost half the nation is high on qat each single day. Not only that the plant needs a hell lot of water so instead of growing it, the coffee production that made Yemen famous across the world (among many other agricultural products) could be produced at a greater rate.

I now hear that the qat plant is grown in Southern Europe too and that the demand is increasing.

It's mostly a Yemeni + Horn of Africa practice. In the UK and Scandinavia it's mostly the Somali community who smuggle it into those countries.
 
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Cheers to that.
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It's called "Paan", they put tobacco and stuff in betel leaf.

Betel leaf
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Paan
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Thanks. It seems remarkably similar to khat.

Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Betel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am curious if it has the same or at least a similar effect on people. Both are mild stimulants at least and plants.

Khat:



Betel:



Could be charas but that's just another name for hashish.

It was that betel leaf I meant. Never heard about charas until now.
 
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Thanks. It seems remarkably similar to khat.

Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Betel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am curious if it has the same or at least a similar effect on people. Both are mild stimulants at least and plants.

Khat:



Betel:





It was that betel leaf I meant. Never heard about charas until now.

Nah Betel leaf on it's own doesn't have much affect, it's mostly used as mouth freshener. But it's the stuff they put it in which gives the kick.

Paan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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