about Muslim Brahmins of Pakistan and Kashmir

[Nexus]

"[Serious]"

I saw this image on reddit few hours ago and do it have sparked number of questions in my mind.

These results the people Indian army have killed in Kashmir. And i hve noticed that majority of them are actually Kashmiri Pundits who converted to Islam.

1) why these brahmins converts to Islam ? And when ?

2) how Muslims view these converted brahmins? Do they get respect in Pakistani or Kashmiri society?

3) how muslims view these muslims who have "pundit" surname specifically?

4) do they intermarry with other muslims ? Do they have their own biradaris?

5) how Muslims brahmins view their heritage? And sanskrit.

6) how Pashtuns,Baloch view these brahmins? And Rajputs?

We dont have muslim brahmins in north india beside kashmir and Pakistani punjab so I posted this in Pakistani history section.

@Mian Babban and @DESERT FIGHTER being a pashtun and Baloch your answers are much needed and highly valuable/ credible for us.

@waz keep this thread clean please.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Pakistanis don't go in such detail that who was converted from which religion/caste. We know that many Pakistanis once belonged to different castes of different religions. But that doesn't make us respect them less or more due to this fact...

Every Muslim is equal for all of us despite various background than others.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

1) why these brahmins converts to Islam ? And when ?

2) how Muslims view these converted brahmins? Do they get respect in Pakistani or Kashmiri society?

3) how muslims view these muslims who have "pundit" surname specifically?

4) do they intermarry with other muslims ? Do they have their own biradaris?

5) how Muslims brahmins view their heritage? And sanskrit.

6) how Pashtuns,Baloch view these brahmins? And Rajputs?

I think I am qualified to answer.

1. From the 14th to the 18th century. Mostly.
2. Outside Kashmir not very well. But they get good respect in general Pak/Muslim society.
3. Apart from some jokes, they feel pride. For having left 'jahalat'.
4. Not usually. Mostly among Kashmiri Muslims.
5. They run away from it.
6. They consider us as too proud, cunning and shrewd. None are true, except for maybe the pride part.

 

[Pakistani E]

I think I am qualified to answer.

1. From the 14th to the 18th century. Mostly.
2. Outside Kashmir not very well. But they get good respect in general Pak/Muslim society.
3. Apart from some jokes, they feel pride. For having left 'jahalat'.
4. Not usually. Mostly among Kashmiri Muslims.
5. They run away from it.
6. They consider us as too proud, cunning and shrewd. None are true, except for maybe the pride part.

You are not a Kashmiri Muslim Pandit or descended from them but you are qualified to speak for us? Well then I guess I am qualified to speak for a Brahmin from Kerala.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Are all the kills authentic? Remember Ghazi Baba was 'killed' many times before he was really dead.

I wonder how could so many militants be eliminated so easily and quickly? I hope the news is real.

 

[Nexus]

Are all the kills authentic? Remember Ghazi Baba was 'killed' many times before he was really dead.

I wonder how could so many militants be eliminated so easily and quickly? I hope the news is real.

nobody cares, @waz please remove this post. as politics have no place in this thread of sub forum.

 

[Imran Khan]

my son no one even dig this deep when they are going to make them relatives

 

[Zibago]

I think I am qualified to answer.

1. From the 14th to the 18th century. Mostly.
2. Outside Kashmir not very well. But they get good respect in general Pak/Muslim society.
3. Apart from some jokes, they feel pride. For having left 'jahalat'.
4. Not usually. Mostly among Kashmiri Muslims.
5. They run away from it.
6. They consider us as too proud, cunning and shrewd. None are true, except for maybe the pride part.

SHould i tell him or not ?

Son of a converted Brahmin

We dont have muslim brahmins in north india beside kashmir and Pakistani punjab so I posted this in Pakistani history section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_Shaikh

 

[Nexus]

I think I am qualified to answer.

1. From the 14th to the 18th century. Mostly.
2. Outside Kashmir not very well. But they get good respect in general Pak/Muslim society.
3. Apart from some jokes, they feel pride. For having left 'jahalat'.
4. Not usually. Mostly among Kashmiri Muslims.
5. They run away from it.
6. They consider us as too proud, cunning and shrewd. None are true, except for maybe the pride part.

Sad. Too bad we were not able to save them in past.

Do these muslims hate real brahmins as well despite being former brahmins?

We are discriminated against but we hold massive psychological sway over the general public. Its like a wife in south asian culture who doesnt like her husband but still has to server him with her body whenever he wants. So in the end we get what we want due to the comfortable mental edge we have over all of them even when we are disliked as an extension of the dislike for hindus.

Are u a muslim brahmin ?

What kind of influence you have over general public there ?

And why your ancestors converted to Islam when you are facing discrimination even today ?

Also, please tell me perks (advanadvantages and limitations of) being a muslim brahmin.

 

[Nexus]

You are not a Kashmiri Muslim Pandit or descended from them but you are qualified to speak for us? Well then I guess I am qualified to speak for a Brahmin from Kerala.

Are u a brahmin muslim as well ? With Awans name ?

 

[xairhossi]

I think this was only in Kashmir Valley that Brahmins converted to Islam. Only they have Brahmin clan names like Pandit, Bhat etc. Apart from that, in AJK there are Potohari/Pahari speaking Sudhans who are Brahmin converts as well. But I dont think there are any Punjabi Brahmins that converted to Islam (apart from the Kashmiri Butts, Dars etc. that settled in Punjab in the 18th and 19th centuries).

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

nobody cares, @waz please remove this post. as politics have no place in this thread of sub forum.

I have a "brahmin" friend from Kashmir , settled in Islamabad.. both his maternal and paternal grandfathers were generals,his father retired as a Lt Col (Surgeons).

There is no difference .. although I sometimes jokingly call him "Pandit sb"..

But that's about it.

I also have Rajput friend, Muslim ,proud of his heritage (and mostly conservative, marry among their community)..

All in all, I don't see any difference?

All are Pak, Muslim .. nobody cares.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We are discriminated against but we hold massive psychological sway over the general public. Its like a wife in south asian culture who doesnt like her husband but still has to server him with her body whenever he wants. So in the end we get what we want due to the comfortable mental edge we have over all of them even when we are disliked as an extension of the dislike for hindus.

Sounds like Bullshyt!
Makes no sense, when you Panjabis take pride in surnames like Rana,Raja,Sandhu,Chatha,Cheema etc and claim you are discriminated against ? In what way exactly ?

Are u a brahmin muslim as well ? With Awans name ?

Awans aren't Brahmins or Jatts... they claim descent from Hazrat Ali... can be found in Panjab and even Afghanistan... a big tribe, nawab of kalabagh being their chief of sorts..

Although no proof of it (their links with Hazrat Ali), but there are no Hindu or Sikh awans..

 

[xairhossi]

where are Pakistani muslim brahmins lol? If they exist then believe me they are happy at the fact that they will enter jannat and not hell.

If true then they are good at hiding their identity, for that reason I doubt there are any advantages associated with being muslim brahmin. Hazrat Bin Qasim abolished hindu caste system in sindh valley.

Bin Qasim didn't abolish 'hindu caste system' in Sindh given that during his time the majority of Sindh was made up of Buddhists who didn't have a varna system.

 

[Burhan Wani]

I have a "brahmin" friend from Kashmir , settled in Islamabad.. both his maternal and paternal grandfathers were generals,his father retired as a Lt Col (Surgeons).

There is no difference .. although I sometimes jokingly call him "Pandit sb"..

But that's about it.

I also have Rajput friend, Muslim ,proud of his heritage (and mostly conservative, marry among their community)..

All in all, I don't see any difference?

All are Pak, Muslim .. nobody cares.

Very appreciated bro. Your post are very amazing.