A few Siachen facts and bluffs!

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

We consider the whole Pakistan occupied by radical muslims as India, however we have forgotten it now and you should forget it too.

Keep considering, we took your land, keep crying.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

I guess you have put on blinders to not see whats happening in your backyard.

What is our backyard is also your backyard lady gaga so it does not take time to reach Kashmir, as said by your holy NSA. Then there will be no legitimacy point. The one who holds the land , administers it. This is rule of Kashmir strategy by both militaries.

Present Day wars are won on Diplomacy... Geo is also important though, in Kargil we gained so much you lost a lot politically diplomatically.... you had to go to US to save your *** and you say it was a stalemate....no wonder world says you pakis are a superiority complexed ppl..

Diplomacy my *** . What did you do with diplomacy after 2008? Still shouting shouting. Kashmir is bilateral issue, and your diplomacy might work with somalia type countries but not with us and west.

 

[GURU DUTT]

India lost it's identity in 1947 when we took away Pakistan from you. Slowing you down is one of the achievements too. No economy or education is getting destroyed. Insurgency is going on in the nation and it will go down with the time. You do not have to be worried. What we have in terms of economy, is more than sufficient for us.

india lost its identity ?

where did that came from lolss ?

whatis your identity ?is it arab,central asian, turkish ,pakhtoon ,or a mix of all those whose sole achievment as per you that you delayed indias growth and obstructing itsidentity !!!!

now where do india stand interms of education,health , law and order,democracy ,economy , militarry might ,world stature and sience and technology and whereis pakistan as bothwere born as twins after "british india"was divided on relegous lines in 1947 ?

lookat your nation where has this obsession to harm india and slowing its growth has brought you to .... or is that youronli nationalidentity and the onli glue which is some how keeping muslim panjabies , muslim sindhies , muslim pakhtoons , hazaras andbalochies together

if your economy is sufficientfor 190 millon pakistanies why do pakistanies have to tolrate US hegmony in pakistan who are killing pakistanies in pakistan (raymond davis affair , salallaa or drone strikes) why has pakistan taking USA's dictation onhow to run its economy and agree to gross humilating things like kerry lugar bill ?

now thinkagain carefully and then answer

 

[Levina]

What is our backyard is also your backyard lady gaga so it does not take time to reach Kashmir, as said by your holy NSA.

If could then by now kashmir would've been your's. But the fact that Kashmir is an integral part of India proves your inability.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

india lost its identity ?

where did that came from lolss ?

whatis your identity ?is it arab,central asian, turkish ,pakhtoon ,or a mix of all those whose sole achievment as per you that you delayed indias growth and obstructing itsidentity !!!!

now where do india stand interms of education,health , law and order,democracy ,economy , militarry might ,world stature and sience and technology and whereis pakistan as bothwere born as twins after "british india"was divided on relegous lines in 1947 ?

lookat your nation where has this obsession to harm india and slowing its growth has brought you to .... or is that youronli nationalidentity and the onli glue which is some how keeping muslim panjabies , muslim sindhies , muslim pakhtoons , hazaras andbalochies together

if your economy is sufficientfor 190 millon pakistanies why do pakistanies have to tolrate US hegmony in pakistan who are killing pakistanies in pakistan (raymond davis affair , salallaa or drone strikes) why has pakistan taking USA's dictation onhow to run its economy and agree to gross humilating things like kerry lugar bill ?

now thinkagain carefully and then answer

Our Identity is Pakistani, yes it is our obsession to take the rest of the land in India. If we are destroyed we will make sure that you are also destroyed. You people have created enough drama.

The point is, Kashmir is disputed land and India has occupied it. India should come on the round table and discuss with Pakistan. Otherwise the jungle rule will remain. You will hold the post in LOC, we will keep creating security problems.

Now after your DM states that terrorists must be countered with terrorists, thus legitimating our insurgencies inside India.

 

[Psychic]

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Could only see your marked lines via windows paint. Looks like a pure physical map to me with no political markings.
Anyways Siachen for India at best, is a disputed territory.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

we are well heard in the world unlike you guys.... in a conflict raised by any of the nations even your sugar daddy wont back you.... save your false bravado for something plausible.

You'r not heard buddy, you are lured. Your basic diplomacy was to pressurize Pakistan via US to catch Hafeez Saye, Lakhvi and Dawood. There are few more names, around 11-12 people in the list. But US is only interested in safeguarding its interest. And your diplomacy has failed!!! It's been 2 decades since dawood is roaming out. more than 7 years Lakhvi and HS are out. what did your Diplomacy do? You Indians are wasting time in this stupid way.

You want people to recognize Kashmir as Indian state but failed, sometimes FB vanishes it from your map, sometimes China, sometimes England and some times some or the other country calling it Disputed. This is your diplomacy? They poke you and you Indians get poked.

In this world, people obey those who know how to make people obey. You Indians lack that!!

Pakistan ( jise tum failed state kehte ho) woh toh tum logo ko nachata rehata hai with insurgencies in kashmir, sunta nahi, infact SL, B'desh give a damn. US sunega tumhari baat? LOL

Every one on earth is dealing with other country for their interest, and it is not in US, or EU's interest to have really bad relation with Pakistan Or India. They will play according to their need.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Shan-e-ibrahim

You are very young and very deluded

 

[Bang Galore]

. India should come on the round table and discuss with Pakistan

Why a round table, what do you have against a rectangular table? The point here is what does Pakistan bring to the table, apart from its demands? You must offer something for India to be interested. Threats don't cut it, your chaps have been doing that & worse since the last 67 years & it has got them nowhere. Whether Siachen or the larger question of Kashmir, no rational argument for a solution is ever put forward, one that must necessarily also appeal to India.

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

@Shan-e-ibrahim

You are very young and very deluded

My facts are killing you.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Shan-e-ibrahim

My facts are killing you.

Not at all because they are NOT facts ; just RANTS of a deluded mind

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

Why a round table, what do you have against a rectangular table? The point here is what does Pakistan bring to the table, apart from its demands? You must offer something for India to be interested. Threats don't cut it, your chaps have been doing that & worse since the last 67 years & it has got them nowhere. Whether Siachen or the larger question of Kashmir, no rational argument for a solution is ever put forward, one that must necessarily also appeal to India.

Your chaps of Military Intelligence are also using RF controlled toy bombs in our Northern Areas. We are just replying back
We are ready to come on round table, or rectangular or what shape you prefer , choice is yours this time . But we know your dialogue which never changes even while talking. ''Stop terrorism and then we will talk.'' Useless!

@Shan-e-ibrahim

Not at all because they are NOT facts ; just RANTS of a deluded mind

Well you are talking to a Pakistani , and disagreements will be there from both sides.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Our Identity is Pakistani, yes it is our obsession to take the rest of the land in India. If we are destroyed we will make sure that you are also destroyed. You people have created enough drama.

The point is, Kashmir is disputed land and India has occupied it. India should come on the round table and discuss with Pakistan. Otherwise the jungle rule will remain. You will hold the post in LOC, we will keep creating security problems.

Now after your DM states that terrorists must be countered with terrorists, thus legitimating our insurgencies inside India.

1.what is pakistani identity for pakistanies like your self ?
a)is it love and respect for fellow pakistanies , law of the land and commitment to make pakistan a great nation state on all the parameters of amodern nation state(as MA jinnah dreamt of)
b)make pakistan "quila of islam"and createjihad factories to take the "thekedaari of ummah"
c)make india bleed of 1000 cuts& make pakistan a securitystatewhose sole aimshouldbe to slowdown indias growth/in short politics aof obsession for hate and revenge against india

2.do you think owr hands are tied behind owr backs and we will not fight to save owr mother land and wont inflict pain and suffering on those whowant toharm india and indians ?

3.we wont give kashmir to any body on any cost and you are free to do what you like but make sure if you try to harm us we will do the same to you and in manyfolds of intensity we can afford your constant pin prikking but can you handle owr response ?

4.we are not scared as what you plan to do next as for last 68 years your doing that to us and getting away with it since you had backing of west and USA as they wanted to use you for there game against USSR now your nation is dispensable for themand thats why your not able to digest indias growing coopration ,repute and trade with your easterwhile (friends not masters , biradarislamik mulks &all weather friends)

5.last but not the least for 68 years of your misguided paranoia ,obsession and hate towards india...india is still gowing strong and salted to become a major power blockin the world while look at your nations condition

WHAT DID YOU ACHIVE AND WHAT DID YOU LOST IN LAST 68 YEARS OF YOUR POLITICKS OF HATE AND REVENGE AGAINST INDIA ?

thread is about siachin and despite your heavy losses and trying all tricks to get it from india siachin is still with india and you have niether the resources or world support nor the power to force india change its status que on siachin and kashmir and thats the main issue which is still making you uneasy and sucidal ......good luck with it

 

[Bang Galore]

You'r not heard buddy, you are lured. Your basic diplomacy was to pressurize Pakistan via US to catch Hafeez Saye, Lakhvi and Dawood. There are few more names, around 11-12 people in the list. But US is only interested in safeguarding its interest. And your diplomacy has failed!!! It's been 2 decades since dawood is roaming out. more than 7 years Lakhvi and HS are out. what did your Diplomacy do? You Indians are wasting time in this stupid way.

You are wrong. Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi etc are just faces, if not them, someone else. The Indian state has worked very well to pressurize Pakistan on the terror issue & keep away from any talks involving Kashmir/Siachen etc. So much so that Pakistan only ends up pleading with all nations to ask India to talk to it & acts like it is a great victory if the Indian Foreign Secretary comes to Pakistan while visiting half a dozen countries. Time is on Indian side, always has been. The economic & military capacity has only widened post 1999. Where once there was talk about some sort of territorial concessions (even if unrealistic) from India (in the 1990's) & a withdrawal from Siachen on Pakistani terms, by 2004 Musharraf had come to the realisation that no territorial concessions would happen & the Musharraf-MMS talks were on that basis though there was a belief that a Siachen withdrawal could be worked out (peace park etc...). In 2015, there is even less on offer to Pakistan, that has been in place since the events of 26/11. Now there is no offer of any withdrawal from Siachen on the table which is why the Indian army chief was summarily & contemptuously dismissive of Gen.Kayani's request.

You were talking about wasting time, India is the status quo power and is quite happy to do nothing.

 

[Bang Galore]

We are ready to come on round table, or rectangular or what shape you prefer , choice is yours this time . But we know your dialogue which never changes even while talking. ''Stop terrorism and then we will talk.'' Useless!

Good that you understand that unless you have something viable to offer us, all talks are only going to be useless.