Featured Govt to clear $2 billion deal for Israeli-made AWACS amid stand-off with China

[IblinI]

The phalcon is tried tested and fully networked to Indian armed forces.
This means less time to integrate and we must have absolute faith in Israeli phalcon.
If we have the choice to buy from USA Israel Russia France any world class awacs and 2 billion to spend you know we could have easily brought a cheaper system

We chose phalcon... that's says it all.
Israeli and military = world class imo

 

[dani191]

i think it will take india 7 years to dign the deal

 

[dani191]

The difference is, that Pakistan is surrounded by hostile neighbours, has to deal with a 10x larger belligerent nuclear enemy, their terrorists that come from Afghanistan and Iran, and tiny strategic depth. Yet, our GDP per Capita is slightly lower than yours. And our population under extreme poverty, and inequality is less than yours. Then again I am trying to reason with those who bakrupt and arrest anyone who doesn't use a propaganda map.

you could gave amuch bigger gdp of india

 

[Yasser76]

The phalcon is tried tested and fully networked to Indian armed forces.
This means less time to integrate and we must have absolute faith in Israeli phalcon.
If we have the choice to buy from USA Israel Russia France any world class awacs and 2 billion to spend you know we could have easily brought a cheaper system

We chose phalcon... that's says it all.
Israeli and military = world class imo

So going by your criteria than, Saudi, UAE, Sweden, Greece, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil. Says it all really.

Also, that is a damning indictment of the NETA.....

 

[The Maverick]

So going by your criteria than, Saudi, UAE, Sweden, Greece, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil. Says it all really.

Also, that is a damning indictment of the NETA.....

Netra fleet is being expanded to 6 Maybe 9 .
They work hand in hand .

We will not rely on just phalcon

That's a pathetic analogy.

Netra is low end and phalcon high end
Rafale is high end tejas low end
Kolkata class destroyers high end kashin class destroyers low end
S400 high end spyder Sam low end
Apache gun ships high end LCH low end
Hopefully you understand the concept now

 

[Yasser76]

Netra fleet is being expanded to 6 Maybe 9 .
They work hand in hand .

We will not rely on just phalcon

That's a pathetic analogy.

Netra is low end and phalcon high end
Rafale is high end tejas low end
Kolkata class destroyers high end kashin class destroyers low end
S400 high end spyder Sam low end
Apache gun ships high end LCH low end
Hopefully you understand the concept now

Really, it's just one constant stream of lie after lie after lie right? This is why it is not even worth engaging in a debate. You lose so you then lie.

Can you please post me just one source where it says Netra fleet is definately being expanded to to 6/9?

Right now you have 2 plus one for dev trials.

I'll wait....

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

pakistanis seems to a worried lot here.... one one hand they want to show that how Indian money is spent but on the pther hand they are really worried.....and its not a video game where deals are finalized in days and the weapons will be manufactured in matter of seconds as what pakistanis think.....

but they are purchasing everything from one place.... and this is not getting milked ... and yes there is not milk coming out now ....


1. Armour.
(a) Manufacture of Al Khalid-1: Pakistan is manufacturing 110x Al Khalid-1 tanks (Phase-1) at Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) with Chinese assistance at the scale of 22 tanks/year.
(b) T-85 Up-gradation: Asia Pacific Department of China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) has submitted the quotations for up-gradation and rebuild of 90 x T85-IIAP tanks to HITTaxila.
(c) VT-4 Tanks: Pakistan Army plans to induct 360 x new MBTs. China’s VT-4 is in contention for this major contract and has participated for trials in 2015 & in Jul and Aug 2017.

2. AIR DEFENCE
(a) ESHORADS: Pakistan Army has purchased three ESHORAD FM-90 Air Defence system from the PLA package. The equipment were displayed on Pak Day Parade in 2017.
(b) QW-18 SAMs: Pakistan has received 1391 x QW-18 SAM systems from China. 100 sets of QW-18 SAMs were provided by China out of PLA package.
(c) LY-80 LOMADS: Pakistan Army has procured nine systems of LY-80 LOMADS from China. Pak Army had signed two separate contracts for supply of the AD Sys along with IBIS-150 radar. Delivery of all nine systems was completed in 2019.
(d) HIMAD Sys: Pakistan has evinced interest in purchase of the FD-2000 HIMAD system from China out of PLA Package. The system being too expensive, China has conveyed that should the HIMAD sys be provided under the PLA package then Pak will not be able to get anything else under the PLA package up to 2035.
(e) FN-16 Msl: M/s ALIT, China has forwarded a technical proposal for supply of 1265 x FN-16 (including two missiles for live firing trials) Man Portable AD SystemS (MANPADS), 14 x Launching Mechanisms, 02 x Man Portable Missile Launchers, accessories, spares and tools, amounting to US$ 28,998,390.
3. UAV / UCAV.
(a) Burraq UAV: Although, Pakistan claims Burraq UAV to be a indigenous product, Burraq UAVs (armed/recce variants) are evidently very similar to CH-3 UAVs of China & even Burg missile is very similar to AR-1 missiles fitted on CH-3 Armed UAVs and are likely to have been built with Chinese assistance.
(b) CH-4/ CH-5 UCAV. Pak is negotiating with China for procurement of CH-4 & CH-5 UCAVs. M/s Aerospace Long March International Corporation Limited China and PAC are also discussing co production of CH-5 Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV) and subsequent joint R&D projects. The project would include production capable of aircraft airframe structure, final assembly and test capability of major avionics equipment.
(c) Wingloong-1 (WL-1): The Pakistan based representative of China National Aero Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and its HQ in China are making efforts to supply WL (Wing Loong) series of UAVs to Pak MI Directorate. Pak currently holds one WL-I UAV.
4. Artillery.
(a) 155/52 mm caliber Mounted Gun System (MGS): PA has been in the process to finalise procurement of a 155mm Arty gun system for which various options are under evaluation. Pak Army is evaluating the Chinese Track Mounted Gun SH-15 gun. Pak has already procured 36 SH-1 MGS and is likely to procure 36 more MGS in the near future.
(b) Re-lifing of A-100 MLRS: M/s ALIT, China has forwarded technical proposal to GHQ Rawalpindi for re-lifing for 1st & 2nd battery of A-100 MLRS in Dec 2019 and Mar 2022.
5. Misc.
(a) Z-10ME Helicopters. PA had received 03 x Z-10 helicopters from China for trials/ use in counter-terrorist operations in FATA region.
6. SSD Raisings For CPEC Security: As part of CPEC Security, Pak Army is in the process of raising two Special Security Divisions. With these raisings, Pak Army has assumed the position of guarantor for security of the Chinese CPEC projects. NAVY
7. 08 x Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) Submarines: Pakistan has contracted 08 x Yuan Class AIP Conventional Submarines under Project S-26 from China in 2015 at an estimated cost of US $ 4.8 billion. The project was started in mid 2011 but got delayed due to economic constraints. The first four submarines are being manufactured in China while the remaining four would be constructed at Karachi Shipyard under transfer of technology.
8. Construction of VLF Station: The construction of Pakistan Navy VLF station under Project-333 is under construction at Turbat by M/s PTI, China since 2011.
9. Construction of Fast Attack Craft (Missile): Pak Navy has already procured 02 X FAC (M) from China between 2011-14 at an estimated cost of $43.5 million. As part of contract, the 3rd FAC (M) is being manufactured at Karachi since April 2015 under transfer of technology and is expected to be delivered by 2017.
10. F-22P Frigates: Pak Navy had procured 04 x Jiangwei-Il Class F-22 Frigates from China between 2009-13. Presently. Pak Navy is progressing construction of 04 x additional F-22 Frigates (Batch II) of the same class under transfer of technology. These Frigates are being fitted with C-602 Anti-Ship missile with Chinese assistance under transfer of technology.

11. FN-16 for Navy: Pak Navy plans to procure 100 X FN-16 SHORADS Surface to Air (SAM) missiles from M/S ALIT, China at a cost of US $ 13.256 million. AIR FORCE

12. JF-17 Project: Block-1 construction (50 x aircraft) completed. Constr of Block-11 (50 x aircraft) under progress since December 2013. The same will replace PAF Mirage and F-7P aircraft of PAF Block-Il cater for improved versions of avionics sub system, air-to-air refueling capability, enhanced load carrying capacity, better weapon carriage capability, enhanced data link & EW capability.
13. Procurement of CM-400 AKG missiles: Pakistanis in negotiations with M/s CATIC China for purchase of 40 CM-400 AKG (20 of IR and 20 of Optical type, both with penetration warhead) Air-to-Ground missile.

14. ZOK-03 AWACS: PAF along with experts from M/s CATIC, China carried out special inspection of ZDK-03 AWACS and found the aircraft to be in generally good condition, except for a few minor problems and corrosion issues. MISC

15. Defence Industry.
(i) Al-Khalid -Il: Pakistan is also exploring procurement of 1500 HP Diesel Engine for its Al-Khalid-11 Tank from M/S NORINCO, China.
(ii) Procurement of 12.7mm AA Gun: Machine Gun Factory (MGF), Pakistan is likely to procure 750 numbers of 12.7mm MMG (Anti-Ac Machine Gun) from M/s Hong Kong Sky wise, China. It is likely to be under Transfer of Technology (ToT) from M/s NORINCO, China.

16. IW Capability.
(i) Cyber Information/ Cyber Security: Pak has been seeking Chinese cooperation in the field of cyber information assurance and cyber security domain. Pak wants Chinese assistance in monitoring of internet and VOIP.
(ii) Information Security Laboratory (ISL): CETC-PRIVIS, China is facilitating Pak in building its all round capability in the domain of cyber warfare by the setting up of Information Security Lab (ISL) under the National Electronics Complex of Pak (NECOP).

17. Nuclear Cooperation.
(a) China has been providing nuclear assistance to Pak under the Grand Father Clause to circumvent the NSG restrictions.
(b) It has been undertaking construction of Nuclear Power Projects at Khushab (KCP-III & IV not covered under IAEA safeguards), Karachi (K-2 & K- 3) and Chashma (C-3 & 4) with Chinese assistance.
(c) China is also assessed to be assisting Pakistan in development of Tactical Nuclear Weapons based on Plutonium Based Warheads.

18. Satellite Navigation: Chinese Satellite Navigation Office (CSNO) has agreed to establish BeiDou enabled Continuously Operating Radar Station (CORS) network in Pak for precise geo-spatial application particularly in the field of surveying and mapping, construction and scientific studies. CSNO is also establishing a monitoring station at SUPARCO for monitoring and assessing the Beidou Global Navig Satellite System (GNSS). An agreement on the cooperation in the field of satellite navigation between CSNO & SUPARCO was signed in May 2013. Pak Armed Forces would be shifting to and be fully integrated into BeiDou GPS, as and when the system is inducted into Chinese Army. 19. Acquisition of Remote Sensing Satellite: Pak had signed a MoU with China in 2011 on acquisition of a Remote Sensing Satellite (RSS).




this is all on LOAN money..... like last so many years, entire country is being run on LOAN money.... to return one LOAN you take another LOAN... you take oil on LOAN, arms on LOAN....

and then people will ask if their neighbor has any shame?

A very stupid argument!!! All purchases you are refering to is over a period of decade....
You have to agree that India defence aquisition is slow as hell.... how many years did india take to decide on mmrca, then comes tejas, then comes scorpene, then comes arjun..... etc.....
Pakistan handles its budgets much better than india... having way less budget it still manages to buy the right equipement ......

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

The phalcon is tried tested and fully networked to Indian armed forces.
This means less time to integrate and we must have absolute faith in Israeli phalcon.
If we have the choice to buy from USA Israel Russia France any world class awacs and 2 billion to spend you know we could have easily brought a cheaper system

We chose phalcon... that's says it all.
Israeli and military = world class imo

Phalcon has a 2 way data link with su30mki???
Can it offload targeting information in real time??

 

[nomi007]

2 billion dollars for only 2 awacs.

 

[The Maverick]

Really, it's just one constant stream of lie after lie after lie right? This is why it is not even worth engaging in a debate. You lose so you then lie.

Can you please post me just one source where it says Netra fleet is definately being expanded to to 6/9?

Right now you have 2 plus one for dev trials.

I'll wait....

Air Chief backs induction of more Netra AEW&CS – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

LOOKING PRETTY SILLY NOW.

This was the comments ny our CURRENT ACM himself.

Do you HONESTLY THINK having spent $200 million on developing 3 indengious awacs after decade of work . WE ARE GOING TO STOP . NO we are not stopping more improved versions on netra indian AEW /AWACS are coming

Just like more attack choppers are coming
More fighters
more destroyers
more of evrything

BUT WE WILL ALSO BUT HE BEST OF HE BEST from our allies USA israel france to COMPLEMENT our inhouse systems

 

[Yasser76]

Phalcon has a 2 way data link with su30mki???
Can it offload targeting information in real time??

Feb 27th proved IAF are not data linked with their AEW, by IAF's own accounts we scrambled their comms, many of them including Chief Tea Taster lost all situational awareness. As of today IAF do not have a service wide data link. Shit happens when you fly 8 different fighter types

 

[Yasser76]

Air Chief backs induction of more Netra AEW&CS – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

LOOKING PRETTY SILLY NOW.

This was the comments ny our CURRENT ACM himself.

Do you HONESTLY THINK having spent $200 million on developing 3 indengious awacs after decade of work . WE ARE GOING TO STOP . NO we are not stopping more improved versions on netra indian AEW /AWACS are coming

Just like more attack choppers are coming
More fighters
more destroyers
more of evrything

BUT WE WILL ALSO BUT HE BEST OF HE BEST from our allies USA israel france to COMPLEMENT our inhouse systems

"Backs the induction". The words of the article. PAF Air Chief backs the induction of more F-16s, That does not make it a reality. Suddenly you have got a one liner from a service chief and in typical Indian internet poster styles converted this in your own mind as a sure order for another 6 AEW.


Again, I will ask you for proof of a "firm order" for more Netas. Again, I will wait.....

 

[The Maverick]

Air Chief backs induction of more Netra AEW&CS – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

LOOKING PRETTY SILLY NOW.

This was the comments ny our CURRENT ACM himself.

Do you HONESTLY THINK having spent $200 million on developing 3 indengious awacs after decade of work . WE ARE GOING TO STOP . NO we are not stopping more improved versions on netra indian AEW /AWACS are coming

Just like more attack choppers are coming
More fighters
more destroyers
more of evrything

BUT WE WILL ALSO BUT HE BEST OF HE BEST from our allies USA israel france to COMPLEMENT our inhouse systems

PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE AIR CHEIF MARSHAL words ( he is the supeme commander of our air force)

Air Chief is pushing for induction of 5 more Netra AEW&CS system, which is likely to be mounted on the Airbus C-295 airframe in the same two radiating planar arrays assembled back-to-back and mounted on top of the fuselage to provide 240° coverage. At the Aero India 2019 DRDO’s had showcased its C295 AEW&C concept for the first time and had revealed its plans to integrate the same radar on the new platform. Airbus recently confirmed that it is close to sealing a deal for the manufacturing of C-295 tactical transport from India to replace the aging Avro Hawker Siddeley HS748 fleet. DRDO will also be working on the development of the Airbus A330 AWACS Platform to provide 360° coverage like seen in the IL-76 Phalcon AWACS operated by the IAF and recently purchase of Two Airbus A330 was cleared by MOD in total six aircraft will be acquired in three phases of two aircrafts each. IAF has plans to induct Six Airbus A330 AWACS and Five C295 Netra AEW&C which along with 3 L-76 Phalcon AWACS and 3 Netra ERJ 145 AEW&C will take the total of AWACS assets to the 17 while the need is for 20 aircraft. NOTE : Article cannot be reproduced without written permission of idrw.org in any form even for YouTube Videos to avoid Copy right strikes Posted in India, News Beat

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/air-chief-backs-induction-of-more-netra-aewcs/ .

 

[The Maverick]

"Backs the induction". The words of the article. PAF Air Chief backs the induction of more F-16s, That does not make it a reality. Suddenly you have got a one liner from a service chief and in typical Indian internet poster styles converted this in your own mind as a sure order for another 6 AEW.


Again, I will ask you for proof of a "firm order" for more Netas. Again, I will wait.....

LISTEN firm orders will happen WHEN they happen.
You thought you were being clever
by suggesting i was making things up.
NETRA is the start

AS FOR F16 FOR PAF ......... that option died they day USA found osma bin laden in pakistan . Your relations with USA is over

They are with India NOW

 

[Yasser76]

LISTEN firm orders will happen WHEN they happen.
You thought you were being clever
by suggesting i was making things up.
NETRA is the start

AS FOR F16 FOR PAF ......... that option died they day USA found osma bin laden in pakistan . Your relations with USA is over

They are with India NOW

OK, As I suspected, no proof of a firm order, just more BS. Made my point.