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True capabilities of almost all sophisticated systems are classified, what you read on the internet is not the real capability. It's why only a select few nations are given real briefings on new equipment or aircraft, otherwise they can spend 5 seconds reading about them on Wiki. This really is very basic stuff that anyone serious about defence knows.

I am unsure if you realise what CISMOA really means. It is not a NATO standard agreement, it is specific to US equipment, we are talking about Swedish and Israeli systems. I am really getting the impression you need to read up on this subject more.

LOL CISMOA is the foundation of NATO communication and also communication agreement required for advanced comm equipment to be included among non-nato partner's US equipment (that the US specially designates as 'NON-Nato ally' status). There are 3 agreements that the US signs with its military partners; Communications, Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA). India, for example, signed a ' version' of CISMOA, named (COMCASA)

It's okay, you have shown yourself to be all gas. You don't know the difference between two completely different platforms, you don't know much of their capabilities (radar, range, size, workstations, electronic packages) existing publically. Hell, I would bet my last dollar you had no idea of CISMOA till I submitted it to you. This wannabe attitude works among your ilk -np. Have at it, tell me how my countries military agreements work. :wave:
 
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LOL CISMOA is the foundation of NATO communication and also communication agreement required for advanced comm equipment to be included among non-nato partner's US equipment (that the US specially designates as 'NON-Nato ally' status). There are 3 agreements that the US signs with its military partners; Communications, Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA). India, for example, signed a ' version' of CISMOA, named (COMCASA)

It's okay, you have shown yourself to be all gas. You don't know the difference between two completely different platforms, you don't know much of their capabilities (radar, range, size, workstations, electronic packages) existing publically. Hell, I would bet my last dollar you had no idea of CISMOA till I submitted it to you. This wannabe attitude works among your ilk -np. Have at it, tell me how my countries military agreements work. :wave:
COMCASA incorporated some India specific clauses. BECA most likely to be signed this year.

IAF has not been very happy with IL-76's maintenance requirements. I would venture a guess that certifying the Phalcon system on a new airliner would have taken several additional years and is probably why IAF is okay with getting IL76s.

That said, IAF is slowly transitioning from Russian aircraft to Western ones. Particularly the transport fleet.
 
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LOL CISMOA is the foundation of NATO communication and also communication agreement required for advanced comm equipment to be included among non-nato partner's US equipment (that the US specially designates as 'NON-Nato ally' status). There are 3 agreements that the US signs with its military partners; Communications, Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA). India, for example, signed a ' version' of CISMOA, named (COMCASA)

It's okay, you have shown yourself to be all gas. You don't know the difference between two completely different platforms, you don't know much of their capabilities (radar, range, size, workstations, electronic packages) existing publically. Hell, I would bet my last dollar you had no idea of CISMOA till I submitted it to you. This wannabe attitude works among your ilk -np. Have at it, tell me how my countries military agreements work. :wave:

You contradicted yourself in your own post. NATO partners do not have to sign this as I said. No back to the point of this debate, AEW.

Also what so you mean by "your ilk"? Clarify please.
 
indian logic:
instead of questioning the manufacturer of the same isreali made awacs that couldn't detect nor track a single JF-17 and Mirage that bombed 6 different indian bases in broad daylight, the indians double down on it and order more!!! :woot: good job, keep it up!!! :enjoy:

As I said, this purchase is a blessing for Pakistan. $2 Billion to Israeli industry, $2 Billion that could have been used to greater effect elsewhere and on a system no one else is buying anymore. Hats off to IAF.....
 
lol.... lol.... chinese people are protesting against ccp..... they dont fear of pla anymore....

wait, pla is more famous to shoot the civilians than their enemies, right?

chinese fascist regime will come down soon.... winnie wont last for another year... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Mods can we clean this crap up?
 
Don't think it is 2 billion for 2, think it might be more than that.

Nah its been in the news for a while bcz both Russians and Israelis jacked up price for radars and planes. Although to me it looks like some one is getting massive kick backs out of it.
 
Nah its been in the news for a while bcz both Russians and Israelis jacked up price for radars and planes. Although to me it looks like some one is getting massive kick backs out of it.

Is this the same equipment India has been wanting for 10 years?
 
Yup not a thing has changed compared to older AWACS. Same radar and same platform to carry it.

Wow like I keep saying Indians are strategic monkeys, they have no clue, they should stick to their news media and Bollywood.
 
Wow like I keep saying Indians are strategic monkeys, they have no clue, they should stick to their news media and Bollywood.

If true rest assured there are a lot of back handers going on! Israelis are well known for giving bribes and we all know that Indians are well known for taking them....
 
COMCASA incorporated some India specific clauses. BECA most likely to be signed this year.

IAF has not been very happy with IL-76's maintenance requirements. I would venture a guess that certifying the Phalcon system on a new airliner would have taken several additional years and is probably why IAF is okay with getting IL76s.

That said, IAF is slowly transitioning from Russian aircraft to Western ones. Particularly the transport fleet.
Bad idea honestly. The IL-76s are dirt cheap for the capacity they bring ... Western transports, while more capable, are going to stall India's transport capacity due to their prices.
 
Just look at their professionalism, they were not really don't know the requirements and utility of the platform until fight with us.....
 
Indians once again getting robbed in broad daylight, first by the Russians, then by the French, and now by the Israelis. Very good :enjoy: .
The phalcon is tried tested and fully networked to Indian armed forces.
This means less time to integrate and we must have absolute faith in Israeli phalcon.
If we have the choice to buy from USA Israel Russia France any world class awacs and 2 billion to spend you know we could have easily brought a cheaper system

We chose phalcon... that's says it all.
Israeli and military = world class imo
 
Saudies demand their own one billion from the three billion LOAN that was given to pakistan.... but but buttttt pakistan dont have so much money so they go to china to get another LOAN to return the existing Saudi LOAN.

And this guy talks about other countries....

you want to know what is PANIC and on LOAN buying??? watch this.....

all this is a PANIC buying from pakistan just to avoide another embarrassment that even after having missile defense along with border how this happened :lol::lol::lol:

1. Armour.
(a) Manufacture of Al Khalid-1: Pakistan is manufacturing 110x Al Khalid-1 tanks (Phase-1) at Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) with Chinese assistance at the scale of 22 tanks/year.
(b) T-85 Up-gradation: Asia Pacific Department of China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) has submitted the quotations for up-gradation and rebuild of 90 x T85-IIAP tanks to HITTaxila.
(c) VT-4 Tanks: Pakistan Army plans to induct 360 x new MBTs. China’s VT-4 is in contention for this major contract and has participated for trials in 2015 & in Jul and Aug 2017.

2. AIR DEFENCE
(a) ESHORADS: Pakistan Army has purchased three ESHORAD FM-90 Air Defence system from the PLA package. The equipment were displayed on Pak Day Parade in 2017.
(b) QW-18 SAMs: Pakistan has received 1391 x QW-18 SAM systems from China. 100 sets of QW-18 SAMs were provided by China out of PLA package.
(c) LY-80 LOMADS: Pakistan Army has procured nine systems of LY-80 LOMADS from China. Pak Army had signed two separate contracts for supply of the AD Sys along with IBIS-150 radar. Delivery of all nine systems was completed in 2019.
(d) HIMAD Sys: Pakistan has evinced interest in purchase of the FD-2000 HIMAD system from China out of PLA Package. The system being too expensive, China has conveyed that should the HIMAD sys be provided under the PLA package then Pak will not be able to get anything else under the PLA package up to 2035.
(e) FN-16 Msl: M/s ALIT, China has forwarded a technical proposal for supply of 1265 x FN-16 (including two missiles for live firing trials) Man Portable AD SystemS (MANPADS), 14 x Launching Mechanisms, 02 x Man Portable Missile Launchers, accessories, spares and tools, amounting to US$ 28,998,390.
3. UAV / UCAV.
(a) Burraq UAV: Although, Pakistan claims Burraq UAV to be a indigenous product, Burraq UAVs (armed/recce variants) are evidently very similar to CH-3 UAVs of China & even Burg missile is very similar to AR-1 missiles fitted on CH-3 Armed UAVs and are likely to have been built with Chinese assistance.
(b) CH-4/ CH-5 UCAV. Pak is negotiating with China for procurement of CH-4 & CH-5 UCAVs. M/s Aerospace Long March International Corporation Limited China and PAC are also discussing co production of CH-5 Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV) and subsequent joint R&D projects. The project would include production capable of aircraft airframe structure, final assembly and test capability of major avionics equipment.
(c) Wingloong-1 (WL-1): The Pakistan based representative of China National Aero Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and its HQ in China are making efforts to supply WL (Wing Loong) series of UAVs to Pak MI Directorate. Pak currently holds one WL-I UAV.
4. Artillery.
(a) 155/52 mm caliber Mounted Gun System (MGS): PA has been in the process to finalise procurement of a 155mm Arty gun system for which various options are under evaluation. Pak Army is evaluating the Chinese Track Mounted Gun SH-15 gun. Pak has already procured 36 SH-1 MGS and is likely to procure 36 more MGS in the near future.
(b) Re-lifing of A-100 MLRS: M/s ALIT, China has forwarded technical proposal to GHQ Rawalpindi for re-lifing for 1st & 2nd battery of A-100 MLRS in Dec 2019 and Mar 2022.
5. Misc.
(a) Z-10ME Helicopters. PA had received 03 x Z-10 helicopters from China for trials/ use in counter-terrorist operations in FATA region.
6. SSD Raisings For CPEC Security: As part of CPEC Security, Pak Army is in the process of raising two Special Security Divisions. With these raisings, Pak Army has assumed the position of guarantor for security of the Chinese CPEC projects. NAVY
7. 08 x Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) Submarines: Pakistan has contracted 08 x Yuan Class AIP Conventional Submarines under Project S-26 from China in 2015 at an estimated cost of US $ 4.8 billion. The project was started in mid 2011 but got delayed due to economic constraints. The first four submarines are being manufactured in China while the remaining four would be constructed at Karachi Shipyard under transfer of technology.
8. Construction of VLF Station: The construction of Pakistan Navy VLF station under Project-333 is under construction at Turbat by M/s PTI, China since 2011.
9. Construction of Fast Attack Craft (Missile): Pak Navy has already procured 02 X FAC (M) from China between 2011-14 at an estimated cost of $43.5 million. As part of contract, the 3rd FAC (M) is being manufactured at Karachi since April 2015 under transfer of technology and is expected to be delivered by 2017.
10. F-22P Frigates: Pak Navy had procured 04 x Jiangwei-Il Class F-22 Frigates from China between 2009-13. Presently. Pak Navy is progressing construction of 04 x additional F-22 Frigates (Batch II) of the same class under transfer of technology. These Frigates are being fitted with C-602 Anti-Ship missile with Chinese assistance under transfer of technology.

11. FN-16 for Navy: Pak Navy plans to procure 100 X FN-16 SHORADS Surface to Air (SAM) missiles from M/S ALIT, China at a cost of US $ 13.256 million. AIR FORCE

12. JF-17 Project: Block-1 construction (50 x aircraft) completed. Constr of Block-11 (50 x aircraft) under progress since December 2013. The same will replace PAF Mirage and F-7P aircraft of PAF Block-Il cater for improved versions of avionics sub system, air-to-air refueling capability, enhanced load carrying capacity, better weapon carriage capability, enhanced data link & EW capability.
13. Procurement of CM-400 AKG missiles: Pakistanis in negotiations with M/s CATIC China for purchase of 40 CM-400 AKG (20 of IR and 20 of Optical type, both with penetration warhead) Air-to-Ground missile.

14. ZOK-03 AWACS: PAF along with experts from M/s CATIC, China carried out special inspection of ZDK-03 AWACS and found the aircraft to be in generally good condition, except for a few minor problems and corrosion issues. MISC

15. Defence Industry.
(i) Al-Khalid -Il: Pakistan is also exploring procurement of 1500 HP Diesel Engine for its Al-Khalid-11 Tank from M/S NORINCO, China.
(ii) Procurement of 12.7mm AA Gun: Machine Gun Factory (MGF), Pakistan is likely to procure 750 numbers of 12.7mm MMG (Anti-Ac Machine Gun) from M/s Hong Kong Sky wise, China. It is likely to be under Transfer of Technology (ToT) from M/s NORINCO, China.

16. IW Capability.
(i) Cyber Information/ Cyber Security: Pak has been seeking Chinese cooperation in the field of cyber information assurance and cyber security domain. Pak wants Chinese assistance in monitoring of internet and VOIP.
(ii) Information Security Laboratory (ISL): CETC-PRIVIS, China is facilitating Pak in building its all round capability in the domain of cyber warfare by the setting up of Information Security Lab (ISL) under the National Electronics Complex of Pak (NECOP).

17. Nuclear Cooperation.
(a) China has been providing nuclear assistance to Pak under the Grand Father Clause to circumvent the NSG restrictions.
(b) It has been undertaking construction of Nuclear Power Projects at Khushab (KCP-III & IV not covered under IAEA safeguards), Karachi (K-2 & K- 3) and Chashma (C-3 & 4) with Chinese assistance.
(c) China is also assessed to be assisting Pakistan in development of Tactical Nuclear Weapons based on Plutonium Based Warheads.

18. Satellite Navigation: Chinese Satellite Navigation Office (CSNO) has agreed to establish BeiDou enabled Continuously Operating Radar Station (CORS) network in Pak for precise geo-spatial application particularly in the field of surveying and mapping, construction and scientific studies. CSNO is also establishing a monitoring station at SUPARCO for monitoring and assessing the Beidou Global Navig Satellite System (GNSS). An agreement on the cooperation in the field of satellite navigation between CSNO & SUPARCO was signed in May 2013. Pak Armed Forces would be shifting to and be fully integrated into BeiDou GPS, as and when the system is inducted into Chinese Army. 19. Acquisition of Remote Sensing Satellite: Pak had signed a MoU with China in 2011 on acquisition of a Remote Sensing Satellite (RSS).

LOAN.... LOAN.... LOAN ... wonderful LOAN....

khane ko nahi paise .... miya chale shadi karne is the situation of pakistan.....


The difference is, that Pakistan is surrounded by hostile neighbours, has to deal with a 10x larger belligerent nuclear enemy, their terrorists that come from Afghanistan and Iran, and tiny strategic depth. Yet, our GDP per Capita is slightly lower than yours. And our population under extreme poverty, and inequality is less than yours. Then again I am trying to reason with those who bakrupt and arrest anyone who doesn't use a propaganda map.
 

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