8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks

[Rank]

Boat is a slang for subs. The ATR number is confusing as of now. The navy plan is to eventually replace all the F27s in its inventory with ATRs



Export designation S20. Cost estimate with western AIP and sensors 400 to 500 mill $ per boat

Why not we go for vertical one ?

 

[fatman17]

Contract still has to be signed with China offering a soft term loan.

 

[aqdus]

One incident and so much for it, shows Pakistan quite knows its not near Indian navy right now.

Now thats joke of the day.........

 

[ice_man]

this is not the first time this decade such news has come out. first it was the U BOATS then the chinese subs then the french and now back to the chinese!!

nothing is final all is speculation.

 

[aqdus]

inko ye paisay day kon raha hey in chezoon kiliye :S

Bhai AAM khain Guthliyan kyun ginte hain

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dont tell me this beauty is the one

this is not the first time this decade such news has come out. first it was the U BOATS then the chinese subs then the french and now back to the chinese!!

nothing is final all is speculation.

yup but this is confirmed.

 

[Manticore]

China’s Submarine Fleet Evolution

 

[Thorough Pro]

8 new subs
4 new frigates
6 new maritime patrol aircrafts
8 new cutters
2 new missile boats
successful test completion of miniaturized nuclear reactor and propulsion

all part of a comprehensive 2nd strike capability. We can expect to see test launches of new/modified versions of medium range missile tests in the days to come. by the end of 2020 we will have a fully functional and robust 2nd strike capability.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Pakistan in talks with China 'for eight submarines'
Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Navy International
31 March 2015

China is marketing the Type 041 SSK overseas as the S20. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen
The Pakistani government has approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China, senior Pakistan Navy officers told the National Assembly's defence committee on 31 March.

In 2011 the government revealed that the navy had begun discussions with China to buy six submarines, with the number of platforms subsequently raised to eight. Those discussions began after the Pakistan Navy stepped back from pursuing the purchase of three submarines from Germany on cost grounds.

The navy officials who spoke on 31 March neither revealed the type of boats to be ordered nor a likely price.

A Pakistani Foreign Ministry official told IHS Jane's that while he did not know which platform would be supplied to Pakistan, "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines".

The Type 041 'Yuan' class is described by IHS Jane's Fighting Ships as a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes.

Since 2004 12 Type 041 submarines are believed to have been launched, while the US Department of Defense estimated in its May 2013 annual report to Congress on China's military that production could reach 20 ships. An export version, marketed as the S20 and unveiled in February 2013, displaces about 2,300 tonnes.

The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.

Lieutenant General Talat Masood (retd), who is now a commentator on defence affairs, told IHS Jane's it was "difficult to imagine a price of less than USD500 million per submarine, if not more". By comparison IHS Jane's DS Forecast notes that the Indian Navy is paying USD763 million per boat for six DCNS Scorpene SSKs.

Masood said that in view of the close defence collaboration that exists between China and Pakistan, Beijing was likely to extend a long-term loan, possibly at a low interest rate, to cover the cost of the Type 041s.

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[daring dude]

That is good news, but i don't think that is enough, as IN have robust-ed their sales from last 1 or 2 decades...
we should have to add up some Frigates, destroyers, Aircraft Carriers (as pak dont have any) or some of the Below warships... as a part from Pak Army and Pak airforce's , Pak Navy is not much strong & Advanced with Arsenal and Warships...


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The most-feared ocean-going vessel today.

Battleships
Steel-clad kings of the sea from a bygone era.

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Supporting offshore assault through specialized design.

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By land or sea, these watercraft care not where they tread.

Cruisers
Multi-role vessels finding less use today.

Destroyers
Combined speed and firepower in support of the fleet.

Frigates
The general-purpose ship since the Age of Sail.

 

[daring dude]

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A more compact footprint, yet no less lethal.

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[qamar1990]

Out of those 16, 10 are operational and India is making scorpions too, project 75i and Arihant, new class SSbN's and SSN's

What does Pakistan have now ?? 8 submarines out of which 3 are midget and all under 2100 tons and 10 frigates to the most. Sometimes its good to appreciate what your neighbor has done better than you. Indian navy builds most its ships in its own docks.

why would we appreciate anything good for an enemy nation?? especially anything military related.

 

[daring dude]

Appreciated,, as Indian Navy is far better and robust than Pak Navy...

 

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[Mutakalim]

If true I expect more reaction from India. Should do the same to SCS nations . Including Taiwan . And help IRAN with our new futuristic war ships . Openly or covertly don't matter . Because when India work hard to buy weapons and we have our problems to be taken care of . But Chinese comes and keep giving freebies to Pakistan which openly choose the path of self destruction path. This 8 submarine will give Pakistan a much needed advantages over surprised Indian fleet groups

India should supply Iran its latest indigenous technology

 

[Asmar Hussain]

Prime minister gives approval for buying 8 submarines