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This man is saying that Iran is trying to be goated into conflict in order to prevent Biden from reaching a deal with Iran.
This right here is the exact problem, this man is promoting the good cop bad cop routine of the United States.
This is a naive interpretation of the situation. Trump leaving the JCPOA had nothing to do with a "bad cop" routine.
This is where Iran is right now, the US is dangling bread that is Iran’s right yet acting as if it is some sort of GIFT. Returning to the nuclear deal is a MISTAKE to get a TEMPORARY PIECE OF BREAD. Bread that can be taken away at any time for lack obedience.
Do not fall for this trick nor listen to apologists like this man that are saying Iran should hold back in hopes Biden comes and throws Iran some crumbs.
Once again, an erroneous conclusion. The Americans will return to the JCPOA and in return, Iran will return to its own commitments. Nothing new, just back to the deal. This is from Iran's perspective.
Remeber Iran hate is bi-Partisian in Washington. Remember that Obama (a democrat and Biden’s boss) sanctioned and kick iran out of the world economy. Not bush not trump. This hate will never leave so long as Israel and Iran are not friends.
Your analogy can be used for Iran as well, as you can see the so called reformists are willing to make a deal whereas the principalists would not have made such a deal. Thus you need to keep in mind these two divided political groups on both side are not interchangeable in how they try to achieve their objectives.
US is a master of negotiation they give Iran some pieces of bread (oil waivers and gas waivers and some sanctions relief) and in return will demand (missile reduction, permanent nuclear restrictions, et ) while terror and human rights sanctions remain.
The real test for the JCPOA will be in the next 4 years. If Iran derives adequate economical benefits from it, then it will stay alive. Should the Americans try to alter the deal by bringing in extra requirement(s), it will die. These are statements from Iran itself. We do not need to theorise.
See what they did? They made something that was your right prior to 2008 seem like a gift. you are literally negotiating to be where you were in 2008. You didn’t win anything and at any time that gift (bread) can be taken away.
That's one way to look at it, the more constructive way to do so is this: The Americans used their financial muscle to pressure Iran and Iran decided to make concession in order to get sanctions relief. Iran had no other realistic options.
Yes his endgame is negotiating with Washington. Like Zarif they talk with a silver tongue,
A rather weak strawman argument. I am not arrogating to myself to tell the Islamic republic what it should do. I am simply informing you of the realities on the ground.
It’s been 20 years and Iran has less economic leverage than in 2003.
Well it is quite clear that the enemies of Iran would not create an easy path for it. It's rather simple, they have a financial muscle to use and they do. How do you expect Iran to gain economical leverage when the Americans are creating a "You either have access to America's market or Iran's".
Only one solution: Go nuclear and do not negotiate until Israel denuclearizes and full removal of sanctions.
Yes, that has worked well for the North Koreans, has it not? And they're not remotely on the same scale of sensitivity for the Americans as Iran is and you naively believe they would de-nuclearise Israel. You are driven by a romantic fantasy of geopolitics rather than the hard realities.
This should have been done after Solemani assaination, but these factions in the Republic care more about money and power within their borders than restoring this nation to its rightful place.
It’s not too late, do not negotiate. It will not end well. There is no leverage to negotiate from. Less leverage than 2010. You are not negotiating from position of power, but from your knees.
This irrationality mirrors many internet users that seem to also almost always ask for the nuclear button to be pressed as a solution to every problem. This is not to say that Iran going overtly nuclear is not an option, of course it is. However, as means to gain sanctions relief in this geopolitical landscape, it will not be in Iran's interest. Sanctions relief in the next 4 years is something the people on Iran need more than these romantic non-solutions fantasies being provided. More-over, Iran gaining access to $100's of billions of extra cash in the next 4-8 years is a thought the enemies of Iran are dreading, which is one of the important issues underlying this whole topic of assassinations etc.
you mean by a response from Iran no other country dared to do so before?
Apparently them being openly attacked the first time since WW2 (in peacetime) with 100's of Traumatic Brain Injuries is something they were okay with despite the commander in chief explicitly stating if Iran responds in any way he would strike 53 targets in Iran.
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