27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[aliyusuf]

R-27ER and R-77-1 are bought for Su-30MKI giving 100km range capability for this fighter from earlier R-77 bought more than a decade ago for 80k

R-27ER --> Not likely because SARH (Tied to the missile launch till it hits the target ... also restrictions apply to it's launch parameters)
R-27EA and R-77-1 --> plausible ... but all mainstream sources report lately to indicate Astra and I-Derby ER are being acquired ... IAF doesn't seem to be too inclined on getting Russian BVR AAM at the moment.

If you have a reputable mainstream link available stating exactly these versions are being acquired, kindly share.

 

[Tumba]

R-27ER --> Not likely because SARH (Tied to the missile launch till it hits the target ... also restrictions apply to it's launch parameters)
R-27EA and R-77-1 --> plausible ... but all mainstream sources report lately to indicate Astra and I-Derby ER are being acquired ... IAF doesn't seem to be too inclined on getting Russian BVR AAM at the moment.

If you have a reputable mainstream link available stating exactly these versions are being acquired, kindly share.

https://www.janes.com/article/90192...ssia-for-1-000-additional-air-to-air-missiles

"The sources said the R-27R1/ER1 and R-27T1/ET1 variants, which are fitted with semi-active and passive infrared seekers"

As per above source both version are bought... but R-27ET version was already rejected by IAF long time ago due to various technical reasons...
So R-27 ER is bought ...
As the main purpose for this missiles will be to keep away AWACS and Tankers... and come close to fire R-77-1 in proximity..
R-27 ER carry both active radar homing and passive infra-red but lose energy in last leg thats why not ideal for fighter kills... but surely has a place in strategy ...

 

[araz]

We are not asleep

I was reading Surah Anfaal. If you read the details of the battle of Badr you will get insight into why Allah Izza Wa Jal caused the fight to occur. The description gives insight into the Muslim's mind in a fight. I find it difficult to discourage our youth from bragging too much. We sometimes need to look back at Uhad as well and another battle(??Hunain) where the Muslims nearly faced defeat in spite of Rasool Allah SAW being amongst them. In both cases the Muslims relied on their personal strength and marvelled at their number.In one case they were indisciplined and caused a clear victory to be turned into defeat and in another they were proud of their numbers. All our preparations will turn into nothing if we are not fearful of Allah and avoid pride. I give you a different perspective which you may or may not agree with.
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[Dark1]

Interesting that it took 9 years to realise the AMRAAM edge, all this time I never noticed any concern from their quarters; too complacent.

It's a systemic issue with the armed forces and security in general in India , since independence. The army is considered a waste of money and resources are released very reluctantly.
Look at Mumbai 2008 attacks. Still hardly any security in the whole city. Nothing much has changed. Depending on the good grace of future terrorists.
Similarly, 1962 buying guns from America during conflict with China.
Kargil , vacating hill tops during winters , without a formal agreement with Pakistan. And buying laser guided bombs from Israel during kargil conflict.
Cant really always blame the armed forces as the recent Rafael fighter procurement shows. Took a decade for the fighters to come, after being fast tracked by present government.
This recent air conflict is actually misleading, as except for the mig21 having non encrypted communications, the sukhois were really not tested.
But Russian equipment's stated ranges and their efficacy is unproven against western opponents.

 

[Nomad40]

well to be fair, nobody thought Air Power will ever be used for striking land targets well inside Pakistan.
But now it seems Air Power will be the one that will be used most likely so focus has shifted for that too
thats why
R-27ER and R-77-1 are bought for Su-30MKI giving 100km range capability for this fighter from earlier R-77 bought more than a decade ago for 80k

and Meteor another 100+ km missile for Rafales.

What targets and what deep inside pakistan, Care to elaborate I want to know your side as well.

thanks

 

[Tumba]

What targets and what deep inside pakistan, Care to elaborate I want to know your side as well.

thanks

Same targets hit by IAF after around 50 years inside Pakistan. And as per GOI and Indian Military thats the start of new policy from now on.

 

[Mrc]

Same targets hit by IAF after around 50 years inside Pakistan. And as per GOI and Indian Military thats the start of new policy from now on.

Whats the new policy 26 or 27th Feb?? Or both??

 

[Nomad40]

Same targets hit by IAF after around 50 years inside Pakistan. And as per GOI and Indian Military thats the start of new policy from now on.

care to explain which targets are being hit by IAF inside Pak

 

[SIPRA]

care to explain which targets are being hit by IAF inside Pak

A few trees and a crow.

 

[Mrc]

Thats the new policy kill a crow and loose some fighters in return

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[airomerix]

Same targets hit by IAF after around 50 years inside Pakistan. And as per GOI and Indian Military thats the start of new policy from now on.

One policy is to stay away from the borders.

Since the past 8 months, no IAF air activity has been observed with in 35 nautical miles of Indo-Pak borders.

Speaks volumes about the 'risk-averse' policy you just maintained.

 

[Ali_Baba]

One policy is to stay away from the borders.

Since the past 8 months, no IAF air activity has been observed with in 35 nautical miles of Indo-Pak borders.

Speaks volumes about the 'risk-averse' policy you just maintained.

It seems Indians draw alot from paper specifications and numbers on sheets of paper for their confidence. Once the Rafale is here, maybe they will fly it closer to the ceasefire line, or border?!?!

 

[airomerix]

It seems Indians draw alot from paper specifications and numbers on sheets of paper for their confidence. Once the Rafale is here, maybe they will fly it closer to the ceasefire line, or border?!?!

They are actually practicing with their AWACS. We see increased air activity of their AEW&C assets here and there. This was their weakness and they are working on it. Any Air Force would do.

 

[TsAr]

They are actually practicing with their AWACS. We see increased air activity of their AEW&C assets here and there. This was their weakness and they are working on it. Any Air Force would do.

not surprising at all, IAF is a professional force and they will learn from there mistakes and will try to rectify them in the future.