27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[NA71]

Look at the pace of these improvements since 27/2...and look at the posts we have made since 27/2 discussing who was the second pilot, SU30 Kill verification, our response, and so on......

 

[Trailer23]

In order for the IAF to get it's edge back, they would have to raise the general caliber of their pilots and planners.

Yeah, best of luck to 'em with that.

It took 'em 70+ Years to get to this level, what're they gonna do 2-3 or 4-5 Years?!!

 

[syed_yusuf]

it will be foolish to underestimate IAF from any angle. yes Feb 27 goes to PAF hands down. that doesnot mean IAF is a sitting duck then and with all these upgrades and integration they will be a formidable force to recon with.

underestimating IAF will be detrimental in my opinion

 

[Path-Finder]

it will be foolish to underestimate IAF from any angle. yes Feb 27 goes to PAF hands down. that doesnot mean IAF is a sitting duck then and with all these upgrades and integration they will be a formidable force to recon with.

underestimating IAF will be detrimental in my opinion

Pakistan Never underestimates indian threat and that is why the dedication and professionalism exists in the PAF for a reason. Pakistan has always been under pressure in air combat as the advisory holds a distinct advantage in numbers.

However Pakistan is NOT sitting idle and the constraints that existed in the past are no longer there so there is a more relaxed breathing space. But even then nothing is taken for granted.

 

[Trailer23]

...and with all these upgrades and integration they will be a formidable force to recon with.

That was the case when the Mirage 2000's came in the 80's.
The story was re-run when the game changing Mighty Su-30MKi's showed up.

I suppose, we can listen to more of their rambling 'bout the Rafales, Meteors & S-400's.

 

[ziaulislam]

That was the case when the Mirage 2000's came in the 80's.
The story was re-run when the game changing Mighty Su-30MKi's showed up.

I suppose, we can listen to more of their rambling 'bout the Rafales, Meteors & S-400's.

I would be very pissed off with the french. Print reported mirages inability to lock pakistani jet especially the thunders.
Seeing that mirages is 2.5b$ uograde suppose to be top of the class this concerning

Espeically out of blue french have refused meteors for it stating its radar is short range.

 

[NA71]

Yeah, best of luck to 'em with that.

It took 'em 70+ Years to get to this level, what're they gonna do 2-3 or 4-5 Years?!!

this is sheer over confidence ....bro....Remember they are very cunning ...getting hardware and training where ever they want......they will not cross this time....they will try to lure us into to their territory for hunt through ground or air assets ...

 

[Trailer23]

this is sheer over confidence ....bro....Remember they are very cunning ...getting hardware and training where ever they want......they will not cross this time....they will try to lure us into to their territory for hunt through ground or air assets ...

It may be over confidence on my part - but i'm certain our PAF Leadership knows what they're doing (in spite of some haters), which is why we've always come on top even when the odds were/are against us in numbers.

I don't think anyone here disputes their cunningness, but it really hasn't worked out too well Politically or from a Military stand point. Just saying.

Them attempting to lure is their own false assumption. Just look at their track record since Balakot...

Kashmir 370 & 35A: Blowing up in their face as we speak.

CAA & NRC: The same and now their diehard supporters (Afghanistan, Iran & Bangladesh) are slowly going against 'em.

Why would we even consider attempting to go into their Territory?

Just relax. Sit back. And wait to pick up the pieces.

 

[NA71]

It may be over confidence on my part - but i'm certain our PAF Leadership knows what they're doing (in spite of some haters), which is why we've always come on top even when the odds were/are against us in numbers.

I don't think anyone here disputes their cunningness, but it really hasn't worked out too well Politically or from a Military stand point. Just saying.

Them attempting to lure is their own false assumption. Just look at their track record since Balakot...

Kashmir 370 & 35A: Blowing up in their face as we speak.

CAA & NRC: The same and now their diehard supporters (Afghanistan, Iran & Bangladesh) are slowly going against 'em.

Why would we even consider attempting to go into their Territory?

Just relax. Sit back. And wait to pick up the pieces.

Kash it would happen as you paint.....

No one hates ...these are our sons (wrt ...my age)...we are here to share views....some times it match to yours some time not....

Like minded people are worried that we are bragging too much ....we should focus on next episode with same capability which we had on 27/2 because some new additions (B3 etc) is little far away....and the enemy is quickly enhancing their strike capabilities.

So my point is to forget 27/2 for now.... and concentrate on next day work

 

[Cuirassier]

Interesting that it took 9 years to realise the AMRAAM edge, all this time I never noticed any concern from their quarters; too complacent.

Not worth starting up a new Topic & re-discussing the same points all over.

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How the IAF plans to get the edge back from Pakistan on air-to-air strike capability

During the aerial duel between India and Pakistan on 27 February last year, the IAF had felt the chinks in its air-to-air armour with the Pakistanis having had the edge in this sphere.

SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP
9 March, 2020

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New Delhi: The Indian Air Force (IAF) has initiated the process to acquire and induct the first batch of the indigenous all-weather Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile – Astra – as it aims to recapture its edge over its Pakistani counterpart in air-to-air capability.

To add to its options, the IAF is also in the process of integrating the Israeli I-Derby Extended Range missile on its frontline fighter aircraft, the Su 30 MKi.

These missiles along with the already inducted MICA medium range BVR, and the long-range Meteor missiles will form the backbone of India’s air-to-air strike capability.

“We have initiated the process to acquire the first batch of the Astra missiles. Since it is indigenous, we will be procuring them in batches,” an IAF officer told ThePrint.

During the aerial duel between India and Pakistan on 27 February last year, the IAF had felt the chinks in its air-to-air armour with the Pakistanis having had the edge in this sphere.

Pakistan’s F16s were armed with the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile), which has a higher capability than that of the medium range R-77 used by the Su 30 MKI and the MICA used by the Mirages.

A lost edge

The IAF had the edge over its Pakistani counterpart during the Kargil battle in 1999 but lost it in 2010 when the American AMRAAM was deployed by the latter.

IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhaduria, had on 28 February this year said that the force is looking at regaining the upper hand in air-to-air missile capabilities that was “allowed to slip” amid a “struggle” to acquire missiles in a process that has lasted 15 years.

The IAF chief was referring to the European-manufactured Meteor missiles that have a range of about 150 km. With the missile, an IAF pilot will be able to take out enemy aircraft at a distance of 150 km without even crossing the Indian airspace.

The Meteors have been ordered along with the Rafale fighters. While the first four Rafale fighters will land in India by May, it will take another year or so for them to be fully operationalised.

Only Rafales to have Meteor missiles

While the initial plan was to try and integrate the Meteor missiles on the Mirage 2000, the Su 30 MKI and the Tejas Mark II, the European manufacturer of the missile – MBDA – told the IAF that the French-made Mirage 2000 and the Russian Su 30 MKI are not suitable for the long range missile.

For the Tejas, MBDA said that the missile can be integrated only when the aircraft is equipped with indigenous AESA radar rather than the Israeli one that will be initially used.

Following this, the IAF has decided to restrict the Meteor missile to the Rafale and rely on better versions of Astra and I-Derby for its main firepower.

While the Astra currently has a range of about 100 km, the Israeli I-Derby has about a 60 km range.

“It is also a matter of cost,” a defence source said. “The Meteor is a very expensive missile. Astra, a fine missile, is cheaper by over half the price since it is indigenous. It is expected that future versions of Astra will beat the range of the Meteor itself.”

Another missile which will be part of the IAF firepower is the British Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM). While it is already being integrated with the Anglo-French Jaguar aircraft, the plan is to integrate them on the Su 30 MKI. If successful, this missile will replace the short range R-73 air-to-air missile that is on board the Russian aircraft currently.

https://theprint.in/india/how-the-i...istan-on-air-to-air-strike-capability/377071/

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[Tumba]

Interesting that it took 9 years to realise the AMRAAM edge, all this time I never noticed any concern from their quarters; too complacent.

well to be fair, nobody thought Air Power will ever be used for striking land targets well inside Pakistan.
But now it seems Air Power will be the one that will be used most likely so focus has shifted for that too
thats why
R-27ER and R-77-1 are bought for Su-30MKI giving 100km range capability for this fighter from earlier R-77 bought more than a decade ago for 80k

and Meteor another 100+ km missile for Rafales.

 

[Trango Towers]

this is sheer over confidence ....bro....Remember they are very cunning ...getting hardware and training where ever they want......they will not cross this time....they will try to lure us into to their territory for hunt through ground or air assets ...

We are not asleep

 

[NA71]

well to be fair, nobody thought Air Power will ever be used for striking land targets well inside Pakistan.
But now it seems Air Power will be the one that will be used most likely so focus has shifted for that too
thats why
R-27ER and R-77-1 are bought for Su-30MKI giving 100km range capability for this fighter from earlier R-77 bought more than a decade ago for 80k

and Meteor another 100+ km missile for Rafales.

wow ..you are piling up plenty of inventory .... here we are preparing Fantastic Tea of various blends and tastes ....
Cost of one Tea cup is also raised to $80mn

 

[Ghessan]

Not worth starting up a new Topic & re-discussing the same points all over.

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View attachment 612226 ​

How the IAF plans to get the edge back from Pakistan on air-to-air strike capability

During the aerial duel between India and Pakistan on 27 February last year, the IAF had felt the chinks in its air-to-air armour with the Pakistanis having had the edge in this sphere.

SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP
9 March, 2020

​

New Delhi: The Indian Air Force (IAF) has initiated the process to acquire and induct the first batch of the indigenous all-weather Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile – Astra – as it aims to recapture its edge over its Pakistani counterpart in air-to-air capability.

To add to its options, the IAF is also in the process of integrating the Israeli I-Derby Extended Range missile on its frontline fighter aircraft, the Su 30 MKi.

These missiles along with the already inducted MICA medium range BVR, and the long-range Meteor missiles will form the backbone of India’s air-to-air strike capability.

“We have initiated the process to acquire the first batch of the Astra missiles. Since it is indigenous, we will be procuring them in batches,” an IAF officer told ThePrint.

During the aerial duel between India and Pakistan on 27 February last year, the IAF had felt the chinks in its air-to-air armour with the Pakistanis having had the edge in this sphere.

Pakistan’s F16s were armed with the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile), which has a higher capability than that of the medium range R-77 used by the Su 30 MKI and the MICA used by the Mirages.

A lost edge

The IAF had the edge over its Pakistani counterpart during the Kargil battle in 1999 but lost it in 2010 when the American AMRAAM was deployed by the latter.

IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhaduria, had on 28 February this year said that the force is looking at regaining the upper hand in air-to-air missile capabilities that was “allowed to slip” amid a “struggle” to acquire missiles in a process that has lasted 15 years.

The IAF chief was referring to the European-manufactured Meteor missiles that have a range of about 150 km. With the missile, an IAF pilot will be able to take out enemy aircraft at a distance of 150 km without even crossing the Indian airspace.

The Meteors have been ordered along with the Rafale fighters. While the first four Rafale fighters will land in India by May, it will take another year or so for them to be fully operationalised.

Only Rafales to have Meteor missiles

While the initial plan was to try and integrate the Meteor missiles on the Mirage 2000, the Su 30 MKI and the Tejas Mark II, the European manufacturer of the missile – MBDA – told the IAF that the French-made Mirage 2000 and the Russian Su 30 MKI are not suitable for the long range missile.

For the Tejas, MBDA said that the missile can be integrated only when the aircraft is equipped with indigenous AESA radar rather than the Israeli one that will be initially used.

Following this, the IAF has decided to restrict the Meteor missile to the Rafale and rely on better versions of Astra and I-Derby for its main firepower.

While the Astra currently has a range of about 100 km, the Israeli I-Derby has about a 60 km range.

“It is also a matter of cost,” a defence source said. “The Meteor is a very expensive missile. Astra, a fine missile, is cheaper by over half the price since it is indigenous. It is expected that future versions of Astra will beat the range of the Meteor itself.”

Another missile which will be part of the IAF firepower is the British Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM). While it is already being integrated with the Anglo-French Jaguar aircraft, the plan is to integrate them on the Su 30 MKI. If successful, this missile will replace the short range R-73 air-to-air missile that is on board the Russian aircraft currently.

https://theprint.in/india/how-the-i...istan-on-air-to-air-strike-capability/377071/

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@airomerix @FuturePAF @HawkEye27 @HRK @khanasifm @GriffinsRule @Haris Ali2140 @NA71 @Path-Finder @Signalian @Starlord @Stealth @StormBreaker @Syed Hammad Ahmed @TheTallGuy @ziaulislam @aliyusuf @Ghessan

we will keep it up with armament, also meteor may pave the way for D version. PAF must increase size of its fleet.

 

[PakSword]

well to be fair, nobody thought Air Power will ever be used for striking land targets well inside Pakistan.
But now it seems Air Power will be the one that will be used most likely so focus has shifted for that too
thats why
R-27ER and R-77-1 are bought for Su-30MKI giving 100km range capability for this fighter from earlier R-77 bought more than a decade ago for 80k

and Meteor another 100+ km missile for Rafales.

Did you expect that Indian jets will miss their targets even after using Israeli munitions? We did...

Did you think Pakistan would retaliate and bomb the areas near military installations? We have always had this expectation from PAF.

Did you think you will lose your aircraft if they try to chase the attackers? We expected that too.

Pakistan retaliated in broad daylight after informing your forces "we will retaliate", and in response you lost two jets, one heli, and a whole lot of respect among international military experts.